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Re: TSA Detains Sen. Rand Paul For Refusing Pat-Down Search |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Jan 23 13:45:29 2012, in response to Re: TSA Detains Sen. Rand Paul For Refusing Pat-Down Search, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jan 23 13:43:08 2012. True, but this is based on tweets. I can easily believe someone taking a shortcut when tweeting. That's what tweeting is all about. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jan 23 13:48:40 2012, in response to Re: TSA Detains Sen. Rand Paul For Refusing Pat-Down Search, posted by bingbong on Mon Jan 23 13:35:33 2012. Another of your "FULL OF SHIT" POSTS |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jan 23 13:51:55 2012, in response to Re: TSA Detains Sen. Rand Paul For Refusing Pat-Down Search, posted by AlM on Mon Jan 23 13:43:57 2012. Here is what the TSA itself has to say about this, courtesy of the Palm Beach Post:TSA Warns Travelers May Be Arrested, Detained, and Fined for Refusing Search In response to growing outrage over naked body scanners and intrusive pat down searches of the private parts of air travelers, the TSA is warning Americans that they may be arrested and fined $11,000 if they refuse to cooperate with the agency’s invasive and humiliating techniques. The TSA warns that any “would-be commercial airline passenger” who enters an airport checkpoint and refuses to be subjected to “the method of inspection designated by the TSA will not be allowed to fly and also will not be permitted to simply leave the airport” (emphasis added). The TSA will work with local police in order to make sure the person remains on the premises and answers questions. “Anyone refusing faces fines up to $11,000 and possible arrest,” reports the Palm Beach Post. “Once a person submits to the screening process, they can not just decide to leave that process,” Sari Koshetz, regional TSA spokesperson, told the Florida newspaper. The policy includes people who decide not to fly. Teri Barbera, a spokesperson for the Palm Beach Sheriff’s office, said local police would assist the TSA in preventing people from leaving the airport. “We will handle each incident on a case-by-case basis,” said Barbera. “The deputies will do it at the airport just as they would do it anywhere else.” On Wednesday, TSA boss John S. Pistole testified before Congress on the controversy brewing over the fact airports have become areas where the Bill of Rights no longer applies. Pistole said the TSA will enforce the new policies despite complaints that the search methods are too invasive and a violation of the Fourth Amendment. Senator John Ensign, a Nevada Republican, asked Pistole about groups that objected to all forms of bodily search on religious grounds. “While we respect that person’s beliefs, that person’s not going to get on an airplane,” said the TSA boss. Now the TSA has announced it will also enlist local police to detain people who refuse body scans. In addition to not being permitted to board a commercial plane, they will also be interrogated by agents of the federal government. If not cleared by government bureaucrats, they will presumably be arrested and charged with a crime and fined $11,000. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jan 23 13:54:52 2012, in response to Re: TSA Detains Sen. Rand Paul For Refusing Pat-Down Search, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jan 23 13:41:32 2012. No, I referenced the updated article. Have you read it? They are updating it throughout the day it seems. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jan 23 13:55:39 2012, in response to Re: TSA Detains Sen. Rand Paul For Refusing Pat-Down Search, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jan 23 13:54:52 2012. Yes, I have, and you are interpreting it your own way. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jan 23 13:59:15 2012, in response to Re: TSA Detains Sen. Rand Paul For Refusing Pat-Down Search, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jan 23 13:55:39 2012. ...based on how the article has now changed vs. what you posted that it originally said. Those changes are an important distinction. Do you understand that? |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Jan 23 14:11:49 2012, in response to Re: TSA Detains Sen. Rand Paul For Refusing Pat-Down Search, posted by AlM on Mon Jan 23 13:40:46 2012. he was detained in a technical sense until local law enforcement escorted him from the security area. He booked onto and left nashville on a later flight. Let's hope he misses the rights-eliminating rally he was going to speak to. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jan 23 14:16:48 2012, in response to Re: TSA Detains Sen. Rand Paul For Refusing Pat-Down Search, posted by 3-9 on Mon Jan 23 12:52:24 2012. Good post. You should repost the next time someone complains about the TSA screening a kid or old lady. |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Jan 23 14:20:49 2012, in response to Re: TSA Detains Sen. Rand Paul For Refusing Pat-Down Search, posted by Train Dude on Mon Jan 23 13:48:40 2012. Prove me wrong. The majority of domestic terrorism incidents have been related to reproductive rights....over 200 incidents....all of which are perpetrated by RWers. Then there's Oklahoma City, which we all know was a RW thing.Since 1980, there have been 3 ecological incidents, which were actually targeted arsons. There have been several international incidents, the Times Square smoker (a US citizen trained for terror in Pakistan) , the 2 attempted plane bombers, and WTC 1993 and 9/11. Those do not count as domestic in origin. |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Jan 23 14:22:31 2012, in response to Re: TSA Detains Sen. Rand Paul For Refusing Pat-Down Search, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 23 12:47:27 2012. He was going to speak at a rights-elimination rally. He was NOT going to the Capitol.That clause does not apply in this case. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Jan 23 14:47:43 2012, in response to Re: TSA Detains Sen. Rand Paul For Refusing Pat-Down Search, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jan 23 14:16:48 2012. I should. That's what I thought then when I first heard about the old lady being searched. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jan 23 14:56:56 2012, in response to Re: TSA Detains Sen. Rand Paul For Refusing Pat-Down Search, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jan 23 13:59:15 2012. The TSA says that he was "escorted from the screening area by local law enforcement", and the agency denies he was detained, but nowhere in the article does it suggest he was free to leave. He was later "rescreened", which the TSA agents could have done in the first place, instead of "holding" him for refusing a further search. |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Jan 23 14:59:31 2012, in response to Re: TSA Detains Sen. Rand Paul For Refusing Pat-Down Search, posted by SLRT on Mon Jan 23 12:56:07 2012. He wasn't going to Congress. He was going to speak at a rights-elimination rally. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Jan 23 15:10:07 2012, in response to TSA Detains Sen. Rand Paul For Refusing Pat-Down Search, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jan 23 11:03:34 2012. did they put him on a ''no fly list'' ??...! |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jan 23 15:16:07 2012, in response to Re: TSA Detains Sen. Rand Paul For Refusing Pat-Down Search, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Jan 23 15:10:07 2012. No, but the late Sen. Ted Kennedy found himself on one a few years back! |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Jan 23 15:22:50 2012, in response to Re: TSA Detains Sen. Rand Paul For Refusing Pat-Down Search, posted by SMAZ on Mon Jan 23 12:17:24 2012. Locking a cockpit door doesn't prevent an explosive-laden suicide bomber like a Richard Reid or the Underwear Guy.Bringing down a single plane and all its occupants was a calculable risk that governments, airline companies and their bankers and passengers were willing to take; e.g. Lockerbie. What 9/11 taught was that bringing down a single plane was able to take more lives and property than just the plane. That cost was incalculable and needed to be addressed. Closing the cockpit door essentially eliminated that risk. The rest of the airline boarding routine is fluff. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Jan 23 15:25:39 2012, in response to Re: TSA Detains Sen. Rand Paul For Refusing Pat-Down Search, posted by SMAZ on Mon Jan 23 13:08:57 2012. It was TSA that let the 9/11 hijackers through.TSA was created after 9/11. It was the airports and airlines that handled security before 9/11. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jan 23 15:26:24 2012, in response to Re: TSA Detains Sen. Rand Paul For Refusing Pat-Down Search, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Jan 23 15:25:39 2012. Way to miss the point. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Jan 23 15:39:49 2012, in response to Re: TSA Detains Sen. Rand Paul For Refusing Pat-Down Search, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Jan 23 15:10:07 2012. did they put him on a ''no fly list'' ??...!I hope they do. Let him take Amtrak. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Jan 23 15:48:06 2012, in response to Re: TSA Detains Sen. Rand Paul For Refusing Pat-Down Search, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jan 23 11:40:24 2012. George W. Bush had two administrations? I know there is some disagreement about whether he was legitimately elected twice, once, or never, but this is a new one. |
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Posted by Dave on Mon Jan 23 15:53:52 2012, in response to Re: TSA Detains Sen. Rand Paul For Refusing Pat-Down Search, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jan 23 12:53:07 2012. The TSA was created as part of the Aviation and Transportation Security Act, sponsored by Don Young (R-AK) in the United States House of Representatives and Ernest "Fritz" Hollings (D-SC) in the Senate. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Jan 23 16:00:16 2012, in response to Re: TSA Detains Sen. Rand Paul For Refusing Pat-Down Search, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jan 23 11:52:48 2012. There were skyjackings long before 0/11, and we did just fine at securing aircraft for decades before 2001.No hijackers tried flying the planes themselves prior to 9/11, nor did they try flying a plane into a building before then. It probably should have been expected that at some point someone would try it, and counterterrorism experts said so, but the governments and airlines didn't really train for such a possibility as far as I know. Now that it has been done, it probably won't be tried again, since the passengers will fight back. There has to be a better way to do airline security...how about not letting suspected terrorists get NEAR the airport in the first place? Take a field trip to Ben Gurion Airport in Tel Aviv. Lots of insight on how to do security right here, here, and here. And, now, we come back to the first point in your post: While I agree with you that strict airport security is a necessary evil of our time It always has been, but no one wanted to deal with it until 9/12/01. |
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Posted by dand124 on Mon Jan 23 16:00:32 2012, in response to Re: TSA Detains Sen. Rand Paul For Refusing Pat-Down Search, posted by AlM on Mon Jan 23 12:49:06 2012. How would it be any different if private contractors were behaving so highhandedlythe private employees wouldn't have sovereign immunity, meaning they could be sued. |
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Posted by dand124 on Mon Jan 23 16:03:06 2012, in response to Re: TSA Detains Sen. Rand Paul For Refusing Pat-Down Search, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jan 23 12:53:07 2012. here's Paul Krugman advocating for the creation of the TSA |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jan 23 17:13:58 2012, in response to Re: TSA Detains Sen. Rand Paul For Refusing Pat-Down Search, posted by bingbong on Mon Jan 23 14:20:49 2012. One of obama's advisers, Bill Ayres is an unrepentant terrorist. So you have a president who supports left wing domestic terrorism. You have also had at least 200 anti-war acts of domestic terrorism which we all know are carried out by left wing douche bags that you and your ilk support. So, once again, |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jan 23 17:16:15 2012, in response to Re: TSA Detains Sen. Rand Paul For Refusing Pat-Down Search, posted by bingbong on Mon Jan 23 14:59:31 2012. Rights elimination rally? Please translate that from douche-bag liberalese? |
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Posted by dand124 on Mon Jan 23 17:41:45 2012, in response to Re: TSA Detains Sen. Rand Paul For Refusing Pat-Down Search, posted by bingbong on Mon Jan 23 14:20:49 2012. here's an FBI pie chart of terrorist activity source http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/terror/image/pie-chart-showing-terrorism-activity-by-target-from-1980-2001-with-442-total-incidents/image_view_fullscreen |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jan 23 17:47:38 2012, in response to Re: TSA Detains Sen. Rand Paul For Refusing Pat-Down Search, posted by dand124 on Mon Jan 23 17:41:45 2012. Thank you for proving that her bullshit was just that. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Jan 23 17:57:06 2012, in response to Re: TSA Detains Sen. Rand Paul For Refusing Pat-Down Search, posted by Train Dude on Mon Jan 23 17:13:58 2012. Is that all you've got - Bill Ayers? LOL. |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Jan 23 17:59:26 2012, in response to Re: TSA Detains Sen. Rand Paul For Refusing Pat-Down Search, posted by Train Dude on Mon Jan 23 17:13:58 2012. Except there has been no left-wing terrorism. Isn't that fact telling? |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Mon Jan 23 18:56:47 2012, in response to TSA Detains Sen. Rand Paul For Refusing Pat-Down Search, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jan 23 11:03:34 2012. If the GOP gave it to us, why did the Demokkkrats expand it so that they steal light sabers, cupcakes and feel up old women? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jan 23 19:40:54 2012, in response to Re: TSA Detains Sen. Rand Paul For Refusing Pat-Down Search, posted by orange blossom special on Mon Jan 23 18:56:47 2012. Liberals are all alike no matter what major party. They can't deny that this is a liberal-type program, and that the bigger liberals expanded it the most. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Jan 23 19:54:17 2012, in response to Re: TSA Detains Sen. Rand Paul For Refusing Pat-Down Search, posted by bingbong on Mon Jan 23 17:59:26 2012. To everyone but him. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Jan 23 20:01:29 2012, in response to Re: TSA Detains Sen. Rand Paul For Refusing Pat-Down Search, posted by bingbong on Mon Jan 23 17:59:26 2012. There has been left wing terrorism events in the past 10 years, just not to the scale of ramming aircraft into buildings or mass murder. Check out groups like the "Earth Liberation Front". |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jan 23 20:51:51 2012, in response to Re: TSA Detains Sen. Rand Paul For Refusing Pat-Down Search, posted by italianstallion on Mon Jan 23 17:57:06 2012. Nip, nip, nip! Asshole |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jan 23 20:54:08 2012, in response to Re: TSA Detains Sen. Rand Paul For Refusing Pat-Down Search, posted by bingbong on Mon Jan 23 17:59:26 2012. FBI says that you are wrong by a 2:1 ratio, so NO, your post contained no fact - just your usual |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Jan 23 20:56:51 2012, in response to Re: TSA Detains Sen. Rand Paul For Refusing Pat-Down Search, posted by Train Dude on Mon Jan 23 20:54:08 2012. The FBI and I have different definitions of what terrorism is. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Mon Jan 23 20:59:40 2012, in response to Re: TSA Detains Sen. Rand Paul For Refusing Pat-Down Search, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Jan 23 15:48:06 2012. There were two Bushes who were Presidents. George H.W. Bush (one term) and George W. Bush (two terms). George H.W. is George H.'s father. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Mon Jan 23 21:02:44 2012, in response to Re: TSA Detains Sen. Rand Paul For Refusing Pat-Down Search, posted by 3-9 on Mon Jan 23 12:58:07 2012. That was a joke. The liberal media seems to find out the conservatives who do screw up. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jan 23 21:10:05 2012, in response to Re: TSA Detains Sen. Rand Paul For Refusing Pat-Down Search, posted by Dan Lawrence on Mon Jan 23 20:59:40 2012. No shit! |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Mon Jan 23 21:13:51 2012, in response to Re: TSA Detains Sen. Rand Paul For Refusing Pat-Down Search, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jan 23 21:10:05 2012. Thank you, TurtleII! |
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Posted by dand124 on Mon Jan 23 21:27:27 2012, in response to Re: TSA Detains Sen. Rand Paul For Refusing Pat-Down Search, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jan 23 21:10:05 2012. at least he wasn't wrong in that post :) |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jan 23 21:33:53 2012, in response to Re: TSA Detains Sen. Rand Paul For Refusing Pat-Down Search, posted by bingbong on Mon Jan 23 20:56:51 2012. Yeah, but theirs is the only one that counts. Your definition is just self serving : |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Jan 23 22:32:35 2012, in response to Re: TSA Detains Sen. Rand Paul For Refusing Pat-Down Search, posted by dand124 on Mon Jan 23 16:00:32 2012. the private employees wouldn't have sovereign immunity, meaning they could be sued.American government employees within the US don't have sovereign immunity. They have qualified immunity. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jan 24 02:45:21 2012, in response to Re: TSA Detains Sen. Rand Paul For Refusing Pat-Down Search, posted by Dan Lawrence on Mon Jan 23 20:59:40 2012. And the TSA existed during Bush I's administration? |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jan 24 08:19:43 2012, in response to Re: TSA Detains Sen. Rand Paul For Refusing Pat-Down Search, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jan 23 13:32:10 2012. When will you admit you were wrong about being free to leave the airport after refusing a TSA search? |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Jan 24 09:25:07 2012, in response to Re: TSA Detains Sen. Rand Paul For Refusing Pat-Down Search, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jan 23 13:10:08 2012. "That line is usually used by people who are wrong."Prove it. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Jan 24 09:26:37 2012, in response to Re: TSA Detains Sen. Rand Paul For Refusing Pat-Down Search, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jan 23 13:51:55 2012. OK, I hadn't seen that before.Patently unconstitutional, but I guess it will have to go up to the Supreme Court to get resolved. Someone is going to have to refuse, be detained, ask if they are under arrest and if so what is the charge. If not told they are under arrest, they need to say well then I'd like to leave. If under arrest, then they need to dispute the charge. |
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