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Re: EUEUEUEUEU is utterly anti-Israel and working to dismantle the Jewish state

Posted by AlM on Sun May 19 15:06:27 2013, in response to Re: EUEUEUEUEU is utterly anti-Israel and working to dismantle the Jewish state, posted by FWT9000 on Sun May 19 15:05:05 2013.

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Agreed. I didn't say it was good.

But imagine if the most extreme leftist or rightist 20% of the US ran this country.



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Re: EUEUEUEUEU is utterly anti-Israel and working to dismantle the Jewish state

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun May 19 15:14:38 2013, in response to Re: EUEUEUEUEU is utterly anti-Israel and working to dismantle the Jewish state, posted by FWT9000 on Sun May 19 15:05:05 2013.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Did you know that the Reichskonkordat is still in force?

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Re: EUEUEUEUEU to ban glass olive oil jugs at restaurant tables, to ''protect customers''

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 19 15:16:52 2013, in response to Re: EUEUEUEUEU to ban glass olive oil jugs at restaurant tables, to ''protect customers'', posted by Olog-hai on Sun May 19 15:05:25 2013.

fiogf49gjkf0d
You guys talking about "culture" ... LOL!

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Re: EUEUEUEUEU is utterly anti-Israel and working to dismantle the Jewish state

Posted by Fred G on Sun May 19 15:46:45 2013, in response to Re: EUEUEUEUEU is utterly anti-Israel and working to dismantle the Jewish state, posted by Olog-hai on Sun May 19 15:14:38 2013.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Ja, und?

your pal,
Fred

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Re: EUEUEUEUEU to ban glass olive oil jugs at restaurant tables, to ''protect customers''

Posted by Fred G on Sun May 19 16:04:06 2013, in response to Re: EUEUEUEUEU to ban glass olive oil jugs at restaurant tables, to ''protect customers'', posted by Olog-hai on Sun May 19 15:05:25 2013.

fiogf49gjkf0d
I got your "real culture"




your pal,
Fred

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Re: EUEUEUEUEU is utterly anti-Israel and working to dismantle the Jewish state

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun May 19 16:20:20 2013, in response to Re: EUEUEUEUEU is utterly anti-Israel and working to dismantle the Jewish state, posted by Gamera on Sun May 19 14:59:00 2013.

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Not Turtle-Dan, I only pick on Olog.

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Re: EUEUEUEUEU is utterly anti-Israel and working to dismantle the Jewish state

Posted by Gamera on Sun May 19 18:20:38 2013, in response to Re: EUEUEUEUEU is utterly anti-Israel and working to dismantle the Jewish state, posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun May 19 16:20:20 2013.

fiogf49gjkf0d
as if that makes it better?

At least the original turtle was right more often than not
only his delivery sucked
can you claim the same fame?

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(EUEUEUEUEU) 50% of German LGBT population reports harassment

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 20 03:26:14 2013, in response to EUEUEUEUEU Olog, posted by RockParkMan on Sat Nov 12 14:58:17 2011.

fiogf49gjkf0d
The Local

Survey: Half of gays harassed in Germany

Published: 18 May 13 09:26 CET
Nearly 50 percent of German lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender residents reported being harassed and/or discriminated against last year, a study on the European Union’s LGBT community released on Friday and published in the Süddeutsche Zeitung showed.

Lesbians are more affected than gay men, the study showed. The report was released on the day the French government announced it was making gay marriage and adoptions by same sex couples legal.

“I’ve only been discriminated against a few times,” a young lesbian told the study’s authors. But that’s because no one knows that she’s a lesbian, the authors wrote, as the 21-year-old has not told her friends and family.

The European Agency for Fundamental Rights conducted the study via online input from 93,000 people in the EU’s 27 member countries as well as Croatia. The agency said it was the largest survey of its kind.

The Netherlands and Denmark posted the lowest rates of LGBT discrimination, but still around 30 percent of those surveyed reported being discriminated against. The worst rates are in central and eastern Europe. Lithuania and Croatia posted the highest rates of 60 percent.

Of those responding from Germany, some 46 percent said they’d experienced discrimination in the last year. That puts Germany in the middle of the EU survey for LGBT discrimination.

The Local/mw


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Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) 50% of German LGBT population reports harassment

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon May 20 03:28:00 2013, in response to (EUEUEUEUEU) 50% of German LGBT population reports harassment, posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 20 03:26:14 2013.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Do you believe this bullshit?

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Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) 50% of German LGBT population reports harassment

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 20 03:31:01 2013, in response to Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) 50% of German LGBT population reports harassment, posted by LuchAAA on Mon May 20 03:28:00 2013.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Heh. It's about Germany ... :)

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Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) 50% of German LGBT population reports harassment

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 20 03:32:41 2013, in response to Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) 50% of German LGBT population reports harassment, posted by LuchAAA on Mon May 20 03:28:00 2013.

fiogf49gjkf0d
It's a survey. I'm not going to bother to get in deep, if that's what you're asking . . .

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Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) 50% of German LGBT population reports harassment

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon May 20 03:33:27 2013, in response to Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) 50% of German LGBT population reports harassment, posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 20 03:32:41 2013.

fiogf49gjkf0d
LGBT's see harassment behind every tree.

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Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) 50% of German LGBT population reports harassment

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 20 03:34:39 2013, in response to Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) 50% of German LGBT population reports harassment, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 20 03:31:01 2013.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Why would the Süddeutsche Zeitung lie about this?

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Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) 50% of German LGBT population reports harassment

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon May 20 03:36:01 2013, in response to Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) 50% of German LGBT population reports harassment, posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 20 03:34:39 2013.

fiogf49gjkf0d
what do you think of the German homeschool family being deported?

I hope they can stay but it does not work that way. They are white Christians.

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Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) 50% of German LGBT population reports harassment

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 20 03:37:01 2013, in response to Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) 50% of German LGBT population reports harassment, posted by LuchAAA on Mon May 20 03:36:01 2013.

fiogf49gjkf0d
That's an unrelated issue to this, but that's disgusting. Being against homeschooling to that degree is pure Marxism.

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Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) 50% of German LGBT population reports harassment

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon May 20 03:38:55 2013, in response to Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) 50% of German LGBT population reports harassment, posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 20 03:37:01 2013.

fiogf49gjkf0d
that's why I hope the Muslims destroy Europe. Especially Sweden. Douchebag liberals ban homeschool, their civilization should be conquered and set back thousands of years.

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Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) 50% of German LGBT population reports harassment

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 20 03:39:16 2013, in response to Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) 50% of German LGBT population reports harassment, posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 20 03:34:39 2013.

fiogf49gjkf0d
because they're Germans, right?

Do I win a prize? :)

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Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) 50% of German LGBT population reports harassment

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 20 03:40:05 2013, in response to Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) 50% of German LGBT population reports harassment, posted by LuchAAA on Mon May 20 03:38:55 2013.

fiogf49gjkf0d
That's not going to happen. There's going to be a colossal backlash, and that backlash is actually in its early stages (banning of burqas, for example).

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(EUEUEUEUEU) German fraternities considering "Aryan purity test" for members

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun May 26 21:20:23 2013, in response to EUEUEUEUEU Olog, posted by RockParkMan on Sat Nov 12 14:58:17 2011.

fiogf49gjkf0d
The Local

Fraternities mull 'Aryan purity' test for members

Published: 24 May 13 11:09 CET
Germany's oldest fraternity association could change its membership rules to include only ethnic Germans at their annual meeting this weekend, the country's media reported on Friday.

A meeting of the traditionally right-wing student fraternity association, the Burschenschaften, kicked off near the central German town of Eisenach in Thuringia on Friday morning with a rare press conference, the Süddeutsche Zeitung said on Friday.

“We're trying to find new unity,” Burschenschaften spokesman Burkhard G. Mötz told the conference. He added that organization was looking into who or what exactly was a “German student.”

The meeting, in which membership rules will be a key area of discussion, will attempt to unite the organisation in the wake of a bitter divide between far-right and liberal elements.

The split came to a head earlier this year, when 18 liberal fraternities voted to leave the umbrella organization in protest over what they said was growing extremist sentiment.

Approximately 1,500 of the 10,000 members are thought to align themselves with various degrees of extremist nationalism. Burschenschaft customs include wearing cadet-style uniforms, carrying fencing rapiers and taking part in torch-lit parades.

Back in 2011, a Burschenschaft fraternity group was said to have been excluded by the umbrella Dachverband der Deutschen Burschenschaft (DB) organization because they had accepted into their ranks a member of Chinese origin, raising questions about membership being decided on ethnic criteria, said the paper.

Now, at this weekend's meeting, the DB is looking to change Burschenschaft membership rules, but have not given further details, causing rumors to circulate in the press that the changes will strengthen the importance of German ethnic origin for members.


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Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) German fraternities considering ''Aryan purity test'' for members

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 26 21:39:01 2013, in response to (EUEUEUEUEU) German fraternities considering "Aryan purity test" for members, posted by Olog-hai on Sun May 26 21:20:23 2013.

fiogf49gjkf0d
OK, so what's the problem? Clearly they want their fraternities full of Iranians. Seems like a self-solving problem. :)

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Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) German fraternities considering ''Aryan purity test'' for members

Posted by SLRT on Mon May 27 09:43:24 2013, in response to (EUEUEUEUEU) German fraternities considering "Aryan purity test" for members, posted by Olog-hai on Sun May 26 21:20:23 2013.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Now that we have accurate genetic testing, I think a lot of "Pure Aryans" might have a little bit of a surprise...

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Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) German fraternities considering ''Aryan purity test'' for members

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 27 12:03:19 2013, in response to Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) German fraternities considering ''Aryan purity test'' for members, posted by SLRT on Mon May 27 09:43:24 2013.

fiogf49gjkf0d
I encourage it! :)

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EUEUEUEUEU called threat to global economy by the OECD

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 29 17:11:42 2013, in response to EUEUEUEUEU Olog, posted by RockParkMan on Sat Nov 12 14:58:17 2011.

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Associated Press

May 29, 2013 1:35 PM EDT

OECD: Europe remains threat to world economy

By Greg Keller
Associated Press
PARIS (AP) — The recession in Europe risks hurting the world's economic recovery, a leading international body warned Wednesday.

In its half-yearly update, the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development said that protracted economic weakness in Europe "could evolve into stagnation with negative implications for the global economy."

The OECD again slashed its forecast for the economy of the 17-country eurozone, saying it will shrink by 0.6 percent this year, after a 0.5 percent drop in 2012. The OECD had predicted a 0.1 percent decline for the eurozone in its report six months ago — and this time last year, it forecast growth of nearly 1 percent for 2013.

The U.S. economy will continue to outpace Europe, the OECD said, with growth of 1.9 percent in 2013 and 2.8 percent in 2014. For global gross domestic product, the OECD forecasts an increase of 3.1 percent for this year and 4 percent for 2014.

Noting that eurozone policymakers have "often been behind the curve," the OECD warned that Europe was still beset by "weakly capitalized banks, public debt financing requirements and exit risks."

Meanwhile, the eurozone's 12.1 percent unemployment rate "is likely to continue to rise further … stabilizing at a very high level only in 2014," the OECD said.

The report predicts unemployment will reach 28 percent in Spain next year and 28.4 percent in Greece.

The eurozone economy shrank 0.2 percent in the January-March period, the sixth consecutive quarterly decline, making it the eurozone's longest ever recession.

Austerity measures have inflicted severe economic pain and sparked social unrest across the continent. Europe's young people are especially suffering, with unemployment of around 50 percent in some of the hardest-hit eurozone countries such as Spain and Greece.

But OECD Secretary-General Angel Gurria also noted that the tough reforms those countries made — such as loosening their labor markets and making public administrations more efficient — will soon bear fruit.

"In the periphery in particular, which was hardest hit by the crisis, that is where the reforms are taking place at the faster pace and where things eventually are, I believe, going to be looking better faster once we go through the acute stage of the crisis," Gurria told reporters.

With a population of more than half a billion people, the EU is the world's largest export market. If it remains stuck in reverse, companies in the U.S. and Asia will be hit.

Last month, U.S.-based Ford Motor Co. lost $462 million in Europe and called the outlook there "uncertain."

The OECD also urged the European Central Bank to take additional emergency steps to boost the economy. It said the eurozone's central bank should take the unusual step of cutting the interest rate it pays banks for depositing money with it to below zero. This would push banks to lend money rather than hoard it as super-safe central bank deposits.

The OECD also said the ECB should issue clear guidance on how long its exceptional measures, such as very low interest rates, will remain in place — along the same lines as the U.S. Federal Reserve. The ECB was even urged to consider buying assets such bonds — a tool that can ease borrowing costs and increase the supply of money in the economy but one that the central bank has so far been reluctant to take.

Other major economies have faltered this year but none are in recession, like Europe. The U.S. economy grew 2.2 percent last year and China, the world's No. 2 economy, is growing around 8 percent a year.

In the U.S., the organization urged politicians to soften automatic across-the-board budget spending cuts to make them less harmful to growth, and said "a credible long-term fiscal plan needs to be put in place."


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Re: EUEUEUEUEU called threat to global economy by the OECD

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed May 29 18:21:53 2013, in response to EUEUEUEUEU called threat to global economy by the OECD, posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 29 17:11:42 2013.

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More crap from Olog-Hai!!!!

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Re: EUEUEUEUEU called threat to global economy by the OECD

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 29 19:57:40 2013, in response to EUEUEUEUEU called threat to global economy by the OECD, posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 29 17:11:42 2013.

fiogf49gjkf0d
And meanwhile, it's perfectly OK for exactly THAT to be the GOP platform for here. I truly enjoy watching you tie yourself in logical knots. :)

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EUEUEUEUEU's attack on Israeli settlement products will hurt "Palestinians" more than Israelis

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jun 6 01:37:22 2013, in response to EUEUEUEUEU attacking Israeli settlement products, posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 15 14:13:23 2012.

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INN

Report: Arabs, Not Jews, Worst-Hit by EU Labeling Scheme

Labeling products from Judea and Samaria would damage Israel, the Foreign Ministry said — but it would damage PA Arabs even more.

By David Lev
First Publish: 6/5/2013, 1:15 PM
The labeling of products made by Jews in Judea and Samaria would damage Israel, a report by the Foreign Ministry said — but it would damage PA Arabs even more.

According to the report, some 22,500 PA Arabs are employed inside Israeli towns in Judea and Samaria. These Arabs are among the highest paid laborers in the PA. The report said that on average, PA Arabs working in Jewish-owned business in Judea and Samaria earned 88% more than those working in Arab towns. In addition, they have social rights, including health benefits and pension rights, that are usually unavailable to PA Arabs.

Many more are employed in industrial zones outside towns, involved in manufacturing a wide range of goods. According to the Central Bureau of Statistics, unemployment among PA Arabs is already around 20%, but would shoot up if the boycotts advocated by anti-Israel groups were to cause a massive rejection of goods by consumers.

Jewish communities in Judea and Samaria are also the best — and often only — option for young PA Arabs to find jobs at all, the report said. Factories in Judea and Samaria employ PA Arabs beginning at age 17, while PA Arabs who work in the rest of Israel must be at least 26 years of age, for security purposes.

If the aim of the European Union is to assist PA Arabs, the report said, then the labeling of goods from Jewish-owned businesses in Judea and Samaria as being from “the settlements,” providing anti-Israel groups with the opportunity to conduct wide-scale boycotts, is the most counterproductive thing they can do.

“The labeling issue affects [PA] employment, level of income, youth unemployment, and the wealth of PA Arabs,” the report said.


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EUEUEUEUEU resembles Holy Roman Empire: NY Times

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 15 05:27:13 2013, in response to EUEUEUEUEU Olog, posted by RockParkMan on Sat Nov 12 14:58:17 2011.

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Yes, really the NY Times.

The Ghosts of Europe Past

By Brendan Simms
Published: June 9, 2013
The cheerleaders of the European Union like to think of it as an entirely new phenomenon, born of the horrors of two world wars. But in fact it closely resembles a formation that many Europeans thought they had long since left to the dustbin of history: the Holy Roman Empire, the political commonwealth under which the Germans lived for many hundreds of years.

Some might take that as a compliment; after all, the empire lasted for almost a millennium. But they shouldn’t. If anything, today’s Europe still has to learn the lessons of the empire’s failures.

The similarities with the Holy Roman Empire — which at its greatest extent encompassed almost all of Central Europe — exist at many levels. Today’s European Council, at which the union’s member states gather, reminds one of the old Reichstag, where the representatives of the German cities and principalities met to deliberate matters of mutual concern.

And like the European project, which originated in a determination to banish war after 1945, the “modern” Holy Roman Empire, which was reformed by the 1648 Treaty of Westphalia, was intended to defuse the domestic German antagonisms that had culminated in the traumatic Thirty Years’ War.

But most similarities are less flattering. Both the European Union and the empire are characterized by interminable and inconclusive debate. The German phrase for delay, which translates as “shoving something onto the long bench,” stems from when imperial bureaucrats pushed their uncompleted paperwork farther and farther down a long bench in the Reichstag council chamber.

And like the European Union, which is rived by tensions between larger and smaller states, the Holy Roman Empire proved too weak to contain over-mighty members like Prussia and Austria. Fears of partition and collapse abounded. The Reichstag was paralyzed; the emperor was hamstrung by rival princes.

Granted, in a world of increasingly absolutist neighbors, the empire stood out in its respect for the law and a high degree of personal freedom. But the truly powerful states of the 18th and 19th centuries were those that learned from the empire’s mistakes.

The German experience was a cautionary tale for the American colonies after the Revolutionary War. They, too, were profoundly divided over how to defend themselves, and above all on the question of how the huge debt accumulated during the war should be repaid.

The existing Articles of Confederation were too weak for the task, and the founders cast about for alternative models. In the Federalist Papers, James Madison and Alexander Hamilton looked at the federal system of the Holy Roman Empire, but they found it to be “a nerveless body, incapable of regulating its own members, insecure against external dangers, and agitated with unceasing fermentations in its own bowels.”

Instead, the patriots embraced the model of the Anglo-Scottish Union of 1707, when the two kingdoms, formerly so divided, had come together by merging their debts, parliaments and collective efforts on the international stage.

The resulting American Constitution created a powerful executive presidency and a representative legislature and made possible the creation of a consolidated national debt, a national bank and eventually a strong military, all of which in time turned the United States into the superpower it is today. The Holy Roman Empire, by contrast, failed to reform and disintegrated after it was defeated by Napoleonic France in 1806.

Some 200 years later, this history has been forgotten. Today’s constant round of European summit meetings and reform initiatives remind one of nothing so much as the interminable and futile German “imperial reform debate,” and they are likely to have a similarly unhappy, if less spectacular, end.

Like the old empire, the union has become preoccupied with legality and procedure at the expense of participation and effectiveness. This renders the eurozone cumbersome in the face of competition from the east and causes the bond markets to doubt its creditworthiness. Indeed, everything that Madison and Hamilton wrote about the empire then is being echoed today in Washington, albeit sotto voce.

Fortunately, there is a solution from history. The eurozone faces the same choice as the Holy Roman Empire and American patriots of old: how to overcome discredited forms of confederation. Rather than digging themselves into a deeper recession and democratic deficit through austerity measures, the states in the common currency need to form a full and mighty union on Anglo-American lines. They must create a strong executive presidency elected by popular vote across the eurozone, a truly empowered house of citizens elected according to population and a senate representing the regions.

The existing sovereign debts should be federalized through a “Union Bond,” with a strict subsequent debt ceiling for the member state governments. There will have to be a single European military and one language of government and politics: English.

This is the only framework that will endow the eurozone with the democratic legitimacy to reassure the bond markets, underpin the implementation of good financial governance across the entire union and defend its interests and values on the world stage.

More than 200 years ago, the choice was between the Holy Roman Empire and Britain. The Americans opted wisely and prospered; the Germans continued to muddle through only to see their empire extinguished. History thus holds out both a great opportunity and a terrible warning for the eurozoners.


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Re: EUEUEUEUEU resembles Holy Roman Empire: NY Times

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat Jun 15 08:45:43 2013, in response to EUEUEUEUEU resembles Holy Roman Empire: NY Times, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 15 05:27:13 2013.

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More crap from Olog-hai. It never ends.

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Re: EUEUEUEUEU resembles Holy Roman Empire: NY Times

Posted by Gamera on Sat Jun 15 09:22:53 2013, in response to Re: EUEUEUEUEU resembles Holy Roman Empire: NY Times, posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat Jun 15 08:45:43 2013.

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So you think the New York Times is crap?

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Re: EUEUEUEUEU resembles Holy Roman Empire: NY Times

Posted by AlM on Sat Jun 15 09:51:49 2013, in response to Re: EUEUEUEUEU resembles Holy Roman Empire: NY Times, posted by Gamera on Sat Jun 15 09:22:53 2013.

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Olog does.


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Re: EUEUEUEUEU resembles Holy Roman Empire: NY Times

Posted by AlM on Sat Jun 15 09:53:25 2013, in response to EUEUEUEUEU resembles Holy Roman Empire: NY Times, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 15 05:27:13 2013.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Don't we need a new Roman Empire for the Antichrist to emerge from?



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Re: EUEUEUEUEU resembles Holy Roman Empire: NY Times

Posted by RockParkMan on Sat Jun 15 10:15:09 2013, in response to Re: EUEUEUEUEU resembles Holy Roman Empire: NY Times, posted by AlM on Sat Jun 15 09:53:25 2013.

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We also need folks like Olog for the Antichrist to look respectable.

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Re: EUEUEUEUEU resembles Holy Roman Empire: NY Times

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 15 14:32:16 2013, in response to Re: EUEUEUEUEU resembles Holy Roman Empire: NY Times, posted by AlM on Sat Jun 15 09:51:49 2013.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Except when he thinks it suits him. Funny thing about what he posted - it's crapping all over his "conservative values" of austerity and money over people and somehow he missed that because he saw "Germany." :)

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Re: EUEUEUEUEU Germany must decide whether eurozone lives or dies

Posted by SMAZ on Sat Jun 15 17:36:06 2013, in response to Re: EUEUEUEUEU Germany must decide whether eurozone lives or dies, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 13 11:22:47 2011.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Note how Monti is appointed by the central government, with Germany's blessing. How would you like it if Washington DC appointed state governors?


Because as we all know, prime ministers are otherwise popularly elected and don't go through parliamentary votes of confidence before formally assuming power.



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Re: EUEUEUEUEU threatens ''war'' with Britain if another veto is cast against treaty

Posted by SMAZ on Sat Jun 15 17:46:43 2013, in response to Re: EUEUEUEUEU threatens ''war'' with Britain if another veto is cast against treaty, posted by SLRT on Sun Jan 8 21:14:05 2012.

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With it's own theme song.

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(EUEUEUEUEU) Germany welcomes NSA chief; plans on making its own PRISM

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 18 03:26:16 2013, in response to EUEUEUEUEU Olog, posted by RockParkMan on Sat Nov 12 14:58:17 2011.

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Der Spiegel

The German Prism: Berlin Wants to Spy Too

By Spiegel Staff
June 17, 2013 – 01:46 PM

The German government has been largely silent on revelations of US Internet spying. Berlin profits from the program and is pursuing similar plans.

Just a few days ago, the man whom many Germans now see as one of the greatest villains in the world visited Berlin. Keith Alexander, the head of the world's most powerful intelligence operation, the National Security Agency (NSA), had arranged meetings with important representatives of the German government, including top-ranking officials in Germany's intelligence agencies and leading representatives of the Chancellery and the Interior Ministry.

Alexander gave his usual presentation about how the world could be more effectively spied on and allegedly made safer. At such presentations, the NSA chief likes to extol the virtues of his agency's "incredible technical expertise," and he urges allies to invest more in controlling and monitoring today's new technologies. Alexander maintains there has to be more intensive surveillance of the Internet.

But while they were still chatting about the Internet in Berlin government offices, news stories were breaking around the world that Alexander's NSA may already have the Web firmly under its control. A former US intelligence official named Edward Snowden had leaked information to the press on the virtually all-encompassing PRISM online surveillance program.

The world soon learned that Alexander's NSA, with the help of direct access to the servers of US Internet giants, is able to secretly read, record and store nearly every type of digital communication worldwide. The public also discovered that the Americans have a preference for spying on Germany — more so than on any other country in Europe. During the days of the Cold War, when Germans referred to the US as "big brother" it had a positive connotation. Now, that term has an entirely different meaning.

Snowden's leak raises important questions: How much surveillance of the Internet is a free society willing or able to tolerate? Does the fear of attacks justify a comprehensive monitoring of e-mails, search queries on Google and conversations on Skype? And can a country like Germany allow its citizens to be spied on by another country?

'The State Cannot Look Away'

Surveillance cannot be based on blind faith in a democracy, but rather on a wide degree of acceptance by informed citizens, politicians and allied countries. This is by no means the case with PRISM.

There are plenty of reasons to venture a confrontation with the Americans over this issue, particularly in Germany, where there has been a greater awareness of the importance of data protection than elsewhere in the world, and where citizens have engaged in heated debates over routine data collection efforts such as the national census.

"When foreign agencies infringe upon fundamental rights on German territory, the state cannot look away," says Dieter Deiseroth, a judge at Germany's Federal Administrative Court. "Accepting the massive collection of private information would be a serious violation of the principle that every state has to defend such rights," he contends.

Will Revelations Disrupt Obama Visit?

Yet the German government and German intelligence agencies are reacting in such a blasé manner to the intrigues of their visitor from the NSA that it's as if they have been told something as banal as the notion that English is "de facto" the official language of the US.

The revelations appeared to be unpleasant for German Chancellor Angela Merkel, who was presumably concerned that the news could disrupt this week's carefully choreographed visit to Berlin by US President Barack Obama. During an internal discussion, Merkel's spokesman Steffen Seibert reacted almost indignantly when the Justice Ministry urged an inquiry into the matter — the only German ministry to make such a demand. Publicly, though, Seibert merely said that this "annoying" matter had to be thoroughly examined and that this review process remained ongoing. Furthermore, the Interior Ministry announced that it was discussing the issue with US agencies. Genuine concern would have sounded different.

Why is the German government reacting so calmly to something that it should find alarming? Perhaps because these revelations are nothing new for it? Because the Germans would like to enjoy the same capabilities that PRISM affords the Americans? Or because our friends from the other side of the Atlantic so readily share their knowledge about the world and its villains with us?

Part 2: Germans Would Like To Spy More

All of these motives probably play a role. The truth is that the Germans would love to be able to engage in more online espionage. Until now, the only thing missing has been the means to do so. Consequently, an outraged reaction from Berlin would have seemed fairly hypocritical.

Roughly half a dozen countries maintain intelligence agencies like the NSA that operate on a global scale. In addition to the Americans, this includes the Russians, Chinese, British, French and — to a lesser extent — Israelis and Germans. They have all placed the Internet at the heart of their surveillance operations. The vision of a wildly proliferating, grassroots, democratic Internet with totally secluded niches has long since become a thing of the past. Tomorrow's world is a digital habitat where even the most far-flung corners are exposed to outside eyes, and where everything can be stored for posterity — and actually is stored, as with PRISM.

What is surprising about the NSA's program is its size and professionalism. The objective here is also shared by agencies in other countries, above all the BND, Germany's foreign intelligence agency, which is currently significantly extending its capabilities. Last year, BND head Gerhard Schindler told the Confidential Committee of the German parliament, the Bundestag, about a secret program that, in his opinion, would make his agency a major international player. Schindler said the BND wanted to invest €100 million ($133 million) over the coming five years. The money is to finance up to 100 new jobs in the technical surveillance department, along with enhanced computing capacities. This may sound like a pauper's version of the PRISM program, but it represents one of the most ambitious modernization projects in the BND's history, and has been given the ambitious German name Technikaufwuchsprogramm (literally "Technological Coming-of-Age Program").

Germany 's Mini-NSA

By the end of 2018, the German agency intends to become a kind of mini-NSA and finally be able to compete in the global espionage business. Legislators have already approved €5 million for 2014, but are still wrangling over the rest of the funding.

"Of course our intelligence agencies also have to be present on the Internet," says Interior Minister Hans-Peter Friedrich of the conservative Christian Social Union (CSU), the Bavarian sister party to Merkel's Christian Democratic Union (CDU). "It is unacceptable that criminals are arming themselves technologically, using the Internet more and more efficiently — and we, the state, can do nothing to stop them," says Friedrich, adding that the German government has to ensure "that we use new legal and technological approaches to compensate for our dwindling control over communications among criminals."

Until now, the monitoring capabilities of the BND have been much more modest than those of its big brother, the NSA, but they basically work according to the same principles. At key junctions for digital traffic in the country, the German foreign intelligence agency has set up its own technical accesses. They work like a police inspection on the Autobahn: A portion of the data stream is diverted to a parking lot and checked. Copies of the flagged-down data are directly forwarded to BND headquarters in Pullach, near Munich, where they are more carefully examined.

The largest traffic control takes place in Frankfurt, in a data processing center owned by the Association of the German Internet Industry. Via this hub, the largest in Europe, e-mails, phone calls, Skype conversations and text messages flow from regions that interest the BND like Russia and Eastern Europe, along with crisis areas like Somalia, countries in the Middle East, and states like Pakistan and Afghanistan.

German law allows the BND to monitor any form of communication that has a foreign element, be it a mobile phone conversation, a Facebook chat or an exchange via AOL Messenger. For the purposes of "strategic communications surveillance," the foreign intelligence agency is allowed to copy and review 20 percent of this data traffic. There is even a regulation requiring German providers "to maintain a complete copy of the telecommunications."

A Daunting Wealth of Information

In contrast to the NSA, though, the German intelligence agency has been overwhelmed by this daunting wealth of information. Last year, it monitored just under 5 percent, roughly every 20th phone call, every 20th e-mail and every 20th Facebook exchange. In the year 2011, the BND used over 16,000 search words to fish in this data stream. According to BND experts, over 90 percent of these are "formal" search criteria like phone numbers, e-mail addresses and IP addresses that lead to mobile phones and computers owned by private Internet users or companies that the BND suspects of engaging in illegal activities.

German Internet surfers are officially off-limits. If e-mail addresses surface that end in ".de" (for Germany), they have to be erased. The international dialing code for Germany, 0049, and IP addresses that were apparently given to customers in Germany also pass through the net. The idea here is to avoid infringing upon civil rights that are guaranteed in Germany — analogous to the US, where the full weight of the surveillance state should not fall on its own citizens, but rather on foreigners.

During day-to-day Internet usage, though, it's hard to differentiate between "German" and "non-German." At first glance, it's not evident where users live whose information is saved by Yahoo, Google or Apple. And how are the agencies supposed to spot a Taliban commander who has acquired an email address with German provider GMX? Meanwhile, the status of Facebook chats and conversations on Skype remains completely unclear.

Following the use of this initial, loosely-woven net, BND investigators cast a finer one. Now, they are looking for concrete keywords. If anything touching on the area of proliferation comes up, for instance, the computer system sounds an alarm, such as when the names of certain chemicals are mentioned, or ingredients that Iran could use in its nuclear program. In recent years, BND officials have continuously refined their investigative methods. In 2010, the BND read some 37 million e-mails, including a torrent of spam. The fine-tuning was somewhat better in 2011, when only 2.9 million e-mails were caught in the net. Last year, only roughly 900,000 e-mails were diverted. While the Germans only sift through and evaluate a portion of the intercepted communication, and store just a fraction of this as relevant, the Americans collect everything, at least according to the recent leaks. In the US the basic principle appears to be that stored data is good data. Data protection authorities say that this basically flies in the face of the right to "informational self-determination."

Indignation Muted

Nevertheless, the official indignation over PRISM has remained largely muted, partly because German authorities often benefit from the Americans' secrets. Information from the NSA has played a role in nearly every major German terrorist case over the past decade. For example, it helped lead to the arrest and conviction of the would-be terrorists in Germany's so-called "Sauerland cell," led by Fritz Gelowicz. In 2006, the NSA intercepted email traffic between Germany and Pakistan. The trail led to a group of German Islamists who were planning deadly bomb attacks in Germany.

All of this is vaguely reminiscent of the CIA's practice of torturing terror suspects. German intelligence agencies gladly accepted the results of "enhanced interrogation techniques," even if they preferred not to know exactly how this information was obtained.

The importance of the NSA to the German government was exemplified not only by agency head Alexander's stopover at the Chancellery, but also by a longer visit by German Interior Minister Friedrich at NSA headquarters in early May.

Still, one has to wonder whether the German government shouldn't better protect its citizens against foreign intelligence agencies like the NSA — and whether it shouldn't at least show a modicum of interest in its secret programs.

Only One German Minister Criticizes PRISM

"There are more questions than answers," says German Justice Minister Sabine Leutheusser-Schnarrenberger of the business-friendly Free Democratic Party. In a letter sent to European Commissioner for Justice Viviane Reding, she wrote that the alarming news had "sparked concern and indignation" in Germany. So far, though, Leutheusser-Schnarrenberger is the only member of the government to openly criticize the NSA practices. "President Obama has to provide a clarification," she says. "I am sure that Chancellor Merkel will ask some critical questions of Obama," she concludes.

Merkel could ask, for instance, why Europe's economic powerhouse is subjected to a similar degree of scrutiny as leading autocracies like China and Iran — and what the legal basis for this is. She could also ask why the NSA monitors no other European country more intensively than its loyal ally Germany.

In any case, she will have to ask better questions than those posed by Cornelia Rogall-Grothe, a state secretary in the German Interior Ministry, who wrote last Tuesday on behalf of her ministry to the US Embassy in Berlin. Her queries read like an official declaration of helplessness — or routine devotion to duty. "Are US agencies running a program or computer system with the name PRISM?," the Interior Ministry official asked. She could have also asked if New York was located in the US. It sounded like a clueless request from the German government.

A Blind Eye

This attitude has a long tradition. When it comes to the thorny issue of American surveillance of German citizens, German politicians have never been courageous. Claus Arndt is a legal expert who served from 1968 to 1999 on the Bundestag's G-10 Commission, which decides on surveillance measures by intelligence agencies. He says that top politicians have never made an issue of surveillance by the Americans, and that they all "did their best to stick their heads in the sand." Perhaps it is this sense of fatalism that still influences certain government representatives today.

The special relationship between both countries dates back to the days of the Cold War. The Federal Republic of Germany had the Americans to thank for its security, if not for its very existence. In return, the authorities tended to turn a blind eye when American intelligence agencies operated on German soil. During this period, the allies secured wide-ranging surveillance rights in Germany, many of which are still valid today.

The Germans only objected when the Americans became far too brazen. Prior to the visit of US President Gerald Ford in Bonn in 1975, a team from the US intelligence agency insisted that it had to check that everything was in order at Palais Schaumburg, the former Chancellery, to ensure the president's safety. But then two men were caught fiddling with the phone lines. The head of the Chancellery threw the men out of the building.

But kicking someone out the door has become considerably more difficult in this age of online espionage. What's more, it requires wanting to eject someone in the first place.

Reported by Melanie Amann, Sven Becker, Markus Feldenkirchen, Hubert Gude, Jörg Schindler, Holger Stark and Klaus Wiegrefe

Translated from the German by Paul Cohen



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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Tue Jun 18 19:47:20 2013, in response to (EUEUEUEUEU) Germany welcomes NSA chief; plans on making its own PRISM, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 18 03:26:16 2013.

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RockParkMan was absolulty right!!!!!

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(EUEUEUEUEU) Poland rejects reinstatement of kosher and halal slaughter

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 12 13:09:32 2013, in response to EUEUEUEUEU Olog, posted by RockParkMan on Sat Nov 12 14:58:17 2011.

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Same thing as what almost happened in the Netherlands two years ago; but Poland actually did it. Same "animal rights groups" nonsense too.

Associated Press

Jul 12, 2013 8:53 AM EDT

Polish parliament shuns religious animal slaughter

WARSAW, Poland (AP) — Polish parliament's lower house has voted to reject a government plan to reinstate the religious slaughter of animals.

Lawmakers rejected the divisive issue in a 222-178 vote Friday as 38 members of the ruling Civic Platform party joined the opposition to vote against it.

Until January, Poland was making good business exporting kosher and halal meat to Israel and Muslim countries, but religious slaughter was banned under pressure from animals' rights groups, which say it causes unnecessary suffering because the livestock aren't stunned before being killed.

The government argues the ban means a loss of money and 6,000 jobs at a time when around 13 percent of Poles are unemployed.

The Conference of European Rabbis condemned the vote, calling it a sad day for Polish and European Jews.


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Posted by Mitch45 on Fri Jul 12 14:07:47 2013, in response to (EUEUEUEUEU) Poland rejects reinstatement of kosher and halal slaughter, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 12 13:09:32 2013.

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Jews have no place in Poland. History has proven that. Any Jew who lives in Poland does so at his/her own peril.

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Posted by SLRT on Sat Jul 13 12:21:58 2013, in response to Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) Poland rejects reinstatement of kosher and halal slaughter, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Jul 12 14:07:47 2013.

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Jews have no place in Poland.

Jews have as much place in Poland as any minority has in any country.

History has proven that.

History has not proven that. Polish people have demonstrated that.

Any Jew who lives in Poland does so at his/her own peril.

Not just Poland.

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(EUEUEUEUEU) Israel summons Polish ambassador for formal protest over Shechita ban

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 16 01:31:33 2013, in response to (EUEUEUEUEU) Poland rejects reinstatement of kosher and halal slaughter, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 12 13:09:32 2013.

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Israel Summons Polish Ambassador Over Shechitah Ban

Poland's ambassador was summoned to Jerusalem to register a formal protest against that nation’s ban against ritual slaughter (shechitah).

By Chana Ya'ar
7/15/2013, 5:45 PM
Israel has summoned the Polish ambassador to Jerusalem to register a formal protest against that nation’s ban against ritual slaughter (shechitah).

In a harsh statement condemning the decision of a foreign democratic nation, Israel’s Foreign Ministry said “Israel is disappointed that Poland has chosen to forbid an important religious ritual which has been common practice among millions of Jews since ancient times. The Parliament’s decision to reject a bill allowing kosher slaughter in Poland is totally unacceptable," the statement read.

“Poland’s history is intertwined with the history of the Jewish People. This decision seriously harms the process of restoring Jewish life in Poland. We are astonished that Poland, of all EU countries, should be the one where kosher slaughter will be forbidden.”

The decision is not “in line with the openness and modernity that democratic Poland boasts,” the statement added.

Knesset Speaker Yuli Edelstein had already sent a letter of protest Sunday to his Polish counterpart after the lower house of the Polish parliament, the Sejm, rejected a government-sponsored bill to enable the continuation of kosher shechitah, or slaughter of animals intended for food.

Poland’s Chief Rabbi Michael Schudrich also was not silent over the issue, and threatened on Sunday to resign his post after the parliament voted 222 to 178 to reject a bill that would legalized kosher ritual slaughter.

Shechitah has been banned since January 1, when the country’s Constitutional Court deemed the practice a violation of animal rights.

Schudrich warned in a statement to Jewish media that if the legal right of kosher ritual slaughter is not restored, “I will be forced to give up my function… as I would not be able to serve my co-religionists properly.”

World Jewish Congress president Ronald S. Lauder added on Friday in a statement that the decision was a “slap in the face of Jews and Muslims alike.” Lauder called it a “bitter blow” for all those who have made efforts to bring about a “renaïssance” of Jewish life in Poland. “I am wondering what sort of message those who voted in favor of the ban wanted to send to their non-Christian citizens,” he commented.

The ban has been protested by Muslims as well as Jews, because Muslims engage in halal, the practice of ritual slaughter that is similar to shechitah. Moreover, farmers are also protesting the ban, inasmuch as they stand to lose much business, since Poland was a major exporter of kosher meat to other European nations. Sales have been estimated at some half a billion euros per year.


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EUEUEUEUEU redraws Israel's borders back to 1949 "green lines"

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 16 17:19:53 2013, in response to EUEUEUEUEU Olog, posted by RockParkMan on Sat Nov 12 14:58:17 2011.

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"No wonder Olog hates the EU", eh?

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EU Redraws Israel Borders to 1949 Lines

For the first time, the EU formally forbids trade with bodies located beyond 1949 Armistice lines, including Golan.

By Gil Ronen
7/16/2013, 11:05 AM
The European Union has issued orders forbidding its member states from cooperating, transferring funds, giving scholarships or research grants to bodies in Judea and Samaria, eastern Jerusalem, and even the Golan Heights, Haaretz wrote Tuesday.

The new instruction, promulgated by the European Commission, which is the operative arm of the EU, sets parameters for cooperation between the EU and its members states, on the one hand, and Israeli governmental and private elements on the other. The instructions are for the years 2014–2020 and will go into force on Friday, July 18.

The decision also states that any future agreement signed with Israel must include a section that says the “settlements” are not part of sovereign Israel and therefore not included in the agreement.

A senior source in the Foreign Ministry said Tuesday that the new EU decision is dramatic, and can be called “a true earthquake.”

“This is the first time in which a explicit and formal instruction like this is issued. Until now, there were silent understandings and agreements that the EU does not work beyond the Green Line” — as the 1949 Armistice Line is known — “but this is an official and binding prohibition.”

Deputy Foreign Minister Ze’ev Elkin said that the EU decision is “very worrisome” and will make it difficult for the state of Israel to conduct contacts with the EU regarding cooperation agreements.


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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 16 17:28:28 2013, in response to EUEUEUEUEU redraws Israel's borders back to 1949 "green lines", posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 16 17:19:53 2013.

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This is the Ha'aretz article referred to. Blatantly shows the EU trying to dictate Israel's internal policy and having no respect for its sovereignty.

EU: Future agreements with Israel won't apply to territories

Jerusalem says guideline will make it impossible to sign accords with Brussels without recognizing in writing that West Bank settlements are not part of Israel.

By Barak Ravid | Jul. 16, 2013 | 6:29 AM
The European Union has published a guideline for all 28 member states forbidding any funding, cooperation, awarding of scholarships, research funds or prizes to anyone residing in the Jewish settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem. The regulation, which goes into effect on Friday, requires that any agreement or contract signed by an EU country with Israel include a clause stating that the settlements are not part of the State of Israel and therefore are not part of the agreement.

A senior Israeli official, speaking on condition of anonymity, described the new ruling, which was published on June 30, as an "earthquake."

"This is the first time such an official, explicit guideline has been published by the European Union bodies," the senior official said. "Until today there were understandings and quiet agreements that the Union does not work beyond the Green Line [the pre-1967-war border]; now this has become a formal, binding policy."

The official noted that the significance of the regulation is both practical and political: From now on, if the Israeli government wants to sign agreements with the European Union or one of its member states, it will have to recognize in writing that the West Bank settlements are not part of Israel.

In the Prime Minister's Office and Foreign Ministry there is great tension and anxiety over the new regulation and its implications for Israeli-EU relations. The efforts of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Deputy Foreign Minister Ze'ev Elkin to stop the move have all failed. Senior EU officials say they would like to hold talks with Israel concerning the new guideline, but since it will go into effect by the end of this week, the chance of its being amended is extremely slim.

"We will have to decide what to do from this day forward," a senior Israeli official said. "We are not ready to sign on this clause in our agreements with the European Union. We can say this to the Europeans, but the result could be a halt to all cooperation in economics, science, culture, sports and academia. This would cause severe damage to Israel."

The new guideline was published by the European Commission, which is the executive branch of the European Union. The ruling determines the parameters for cooperation between the Union, along with its member states, and Israeli private and governmental entities between 2014 and 2020.

The most significant part of the guideline is its "territorial clause," which for the first time will appear as a binding rule on all agreements between the European Union and Israel. The new clause determines the areas in Israel that are entitled to cooperation with the Union, and those that are not. The territorial clause determines that all agreements will be valid only within Israeli borders recognized by the European Union, meaning the borders prior to the 1967 Six-Day War.

The new guideline forbids any cooperation by European Union members with private or governmental bodies located beyond the Green Line.
It allows cooperation with Israeli government offices in East Jerusalem, such as the Justice Ministry, but only if the activities themselves are carried out within the 1967 borders.

EU: 'Prevents boycott of Israel'

Senior European officials briefed the Israeli delegation to the European Union in Brussels about the new guideline immediately after it was published, and offered to discuss how it would be implemented in pending agreements.

Thus, for example, the new regulation is already in force in negotiations between Israel and the European Union over the EuroMed Youth agreement, which deals with joint youth projects, conventions, classes and exchanges of delegations. EU negotiators told Israeli representatives that the EuroMed Youth agreement must include the 'territorial clause' spelling out that the pact can only be implemented within the Green Line.

EU officials said the new rules were drawn up as a result of the decision by European foreign ministers last December, which stated that "all agreements between the State of Israel and the EU must unequivocally and explicitly indicate their inapplicability to the territories occupied by Israel in 1967."

The EU delegation is Israel further noted: "The guidelines are also in conformity with the EU's longstanding position that Israeli settlements are illegal under international law and with the non-recognition by the EU of Israel's sovereignty over the occupied territories, irrespective of their legal status under domestic Israeli law."

The new rules are intended to prevent a boycott against Israel, and to enable Israel to cooperate in EU projects and benefit from the funding they bring, the delegation pointed out. The European Union "wants to be sure that Israel's participation is not put in question so that Israel will be in a position to make use of all possibilities offered by the new financial framework," the delegation stated.


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Re: EUEUEUEUEU redraws Israel's borders back to 1949 ''green lines''

Posted by RockParkMan on Tue Jul 16 17:40:51 2013, in response to EUEUEUEUEU redraws Israel's borders back to 1949 "green lines", posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 16 17:19:53 2013.

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Just tell the EU to fuck off.

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Re: EUEUEUEUEU redraws Israel's borders back to 1949 ''green lines''

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Jul 17 01:29:29 2013, in response to Re: EUEUEUEUEU redraws Israel's borders back to 1949 ''green lines'', posted by RockParkMan on Tue Jul 16 17:40:51 2013.

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Israel sort of has already, even the left wing party leaders are not happy with this one and think it is counterproductive.

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Re: EUEUEUEUEU redraws Israel's borders back to 1949 ''green lines''

Posted by RockParkMan on Wed Jul 17 07:14:01 2013, in response to Re: EUEUEUEUEU redraws Israel's borders back to 1949 ''green lines'', posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Jul 17 01:29:29 2013.

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The US recently told the EU to fuck off over tax policy. Read First in Thread.

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Re: EUEUEUEUEU redraws Israel's borders back to 1949 ''green lines''

Posted by SLRT on Wed Jul 17 10:24:05 2013, in response to Re: EUEUEUEUEU redraws Israel's borders back to 1949 ''green lines'', posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Jul 17 01:29:29 2013.

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Europe never tires of telling Jews where they can and cannot live.

It's a tradition, just like oompah bands, lederhosen and slapping your knees.

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Re: EUEUEUEUEU redraws Israel's borders back to 1949 ''green lines''

Posted by SLRT on Wed Jul 17 10:31:03 2013, in response to Re: EUEUEUEUEU redraws Israel's borders back to 1949 ''green lines'', posted by SLRT on Wed Jul 17 10:24:05 2013.

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Lederhosen tradition (schöne skikseh)




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Re: EUEUEUEUEU redraws Israel's borders back to 1949 ''green lines''

Posted by SMAZ on Wed Jul 17 10:34:32 2013, in response to Re: EUEUEUEUEU redraws Israel's borders back to 1949 ''green lines'', posted by SLRT on Wed Jul 17 10:24:05 2013.

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It's a tradition, just like oompah bands, lederhosen and slapping your knees.

I somewhat fail to see a problem here.




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Posted by SLRT on Wed Jul 17 11:13:49 2013, in response to Re: EUEUEUEUEU redraws Israel's borders back to 1949 ''green lines'', posted by SMAZ on Wed Jul 17 10:34:32 2013.

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That's who the Europeans don't want Jews to be around.

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