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(EUEUEUEUEU) German court backs *compulsory* church taxes on behalf of RCC bishops

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Oct 4 21:05:06 2012, in response to EUEUEUEUEU Olog, posted by RockParkMan on Sat Nov 12 14:58:17 2011.

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Belfast Telegraph

German court warns Catholics: pay church tax or face expulsion

Judges back bishops' cash demands over grassroots opposition

By Tony Paterson in Berlin
Thursday, 27 September 2012
A German court gave its backing yesterday to a decree by the country's Catholic bishops declaring that believers who refused to pay an eight percent church tax could not be considered Catholic and would automatically lose the right to receive Holy Communion and a religious burial.

The verdict, which was delivered by Germany's chief administrative court in Leipzig, was a bitter defeat for Germany's grass-roots Catholics and conservative church campaigners who had denounced the bishop's decree as "pay and pray" and claimed it sent "the wrong signal".

The Leipzig court rejected the case brought by Hartmut Zapp, a retired canon law professor, dubbed "the church tax rebel", who had insisted on his right to remain a Catholic without having to pay church tax.

But the Leipzig judges ruled that in Germany it was "not possible" to stop paying church tax and remain a member of the Catholic Church. It added that the state was obliged by law to tax church members but stressed it was up to the Church to decide how to deal with those who refused to pay.

The ruling was welcomed by Germany's Catholic bishops who said it had finally dispelled the notion that individuals could belong to a church without paying church tax.

"Whoever leaves the Church leaves it completely," insisted the Reverend Hans Langendorfer, a Catholic Church spokesman on German television's ARD channel.

The German state has collected a religious tax on individuals registered as Catholics, Protestants and Jews since the 19th century. The revenue is then funneled back to the respective religious bodies.

The levy amounts to between eight and nine percent of an annual income tax bill and for the Catholic Church it amounts to one of the biggest sources of funding worldwide.

The Leipzig court's ruling followed a controversial decree issued only days before by Germany's Catholic bishops. It spelled out severe sanctions for those who failed to pay their church tax. But it stopped short of mentioning full excommunication — the ultimate sanction in the Catholic Church.

The bishops stressed that non-payers could no longer be considered Catholic and would automatically be banned from receiving Holy Communion, working in church schools or hospitals and taking part in parish activities. They also stated that without a "sign of repentance before death" religious burial could be refused. Opting out of the tax would also bar individuals from becoming godparents to Catholic children, they added.

The bishops' decree was criticized by a conservative Catholic group called the Union of Associations, which is loyal to the Pope. "So sacraments are for sale — whoever pays the Church can receive the sacraments," the group said in a statement which accused the bishops of going "beyond the sale of indulgences" Martin Luther denounced at the beginning of the Reformation.

Critics have pointed out that the bishops' decree was partly a response to the crisis in the Catholic Church in Germany. Catholics make up around 30 percent of the population but the number of believers leaving the Church runs at well over 100,000 annually — not least because of a recent scandal exposing widespread sex abuse by the Catholic clergy.

The bishops' ruling has also been interpreted as an attempt to resolve a long-standing disagreement between the Catholic Church in Germany and the Vatican over church taxes.

German bishops had previously warned believers that they would face excommunication if they failed to pay taxes. However, the Vatican ruled in 2006 that the penalty could not be imposed merely because someone had declared to a tax office that they were leaving the Church — they also had to declare this to a priest, it said.


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(EUEUEUEUEU) EU prez van Rompuy calls WWI and WWII European "civil wars"

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 13 00:32:15 2012, in response to EUEUEUEUEU Olog, posted by RockParkMan on Sat Nov 12 14:58:17 2011.

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Irish Times

Friday, October 12, 2012, 17:09

EU awarded Nobel Peace Prize

The European Union has won the Nobel Peace Prize for its long-term role in uniting the continent, the Norwegian Nobel Committee announced today.

The committee praised the 27-nation EU for rebuilding after the second World War and for its role in spreading stability to former communist countries after the 1989 fall of the Berlin Wall.

The award is seen as a morale boost for the union as it struggles to resolve its debt crisis.

Norwegian public broadcaster NRK said an hour before the announcement that the EU would win. The prize, worth $1.2 million (€925,659), will be presented in Oslo on December 10th.

European Commission president Jose Barroso said being awarded the Nobel Peace Prize is a "great honour" for the European Union and a "justified recognition" of its work to promote peace and European values around the world.

European Council president Herman van Rompuy said: "We are all very proud that the efforts of the EU for keeping the peace in Europe are rewarded. Europe got through two civil wars in the 20th century and we have established peace thanks to the European Union. So the European Union is the biggest peacemaker in history."

Economic and Monetary Affairs commissioner Olli Rehn said that, despite "some gloom in the economy", it was a great day for Europe. "I am very proud of these European values which are also universal human values. This is a proud day for every European."

The accolade came as the fallout from the debt crisis threatens the EU's signal achievement, the euro, and the rise of powers such as China, India and Brazil challenges the European model of rules-based cooperation with nation-states handing sovereign rights to a central authority.

"Europeans won't be consoled by the Nobel Peace Prize in these difficult times," Luxembourg prime minister Jean-Claude Juncker, the EU's longest-serving government leader, told RTL radio. "What they expect, at every moment in European affairs, is that we make the right decisions."

French president François Hollande responded to the award with an appeal to European goodwill. The prize "confers an even greater responsibility on Europe: that of preserving its unity, of the capacity to promote growth and jobs, and of solidarity," Mr. Hollande said.

However, UK Independence leader Nigel Farage said the award showed Norwegians, who twice rejected EU membership, "really do have a sense of humor".

He added: "The EU may be getting the booby prize for peace because it sure hasn't created prosperity. The EU has created poverty and unemployment for millions."


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Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) EU prez van Rompuy calls WWI and WWII European ''civil wars''

Posted by RockParkMan on Sat Oct 13 01:01:41 2012, in response to (EUEUEUEUEU) EU prez van Rompuy calls WWI and WWII European "civil wars", posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 13 00:32:15 2012.

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fuck UK Independence.

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Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) EU prez van Rompuy calls WWI and WWII European ''civil wars''

Posted by SLRT on Sat Oct 13 09:41:33 2012, in response to (EUEUEUEUEU) EU prez van Rompuy calls WWI and WWII European "civil wars", posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 13 00:32:15 2012.

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Who controls the past...

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Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) EU prez van Rompuy calls WWI and WWII European ''civil wars''

Posted by RockParkMan on Sat Oct 13 11:00:42 2012, in response to (EUEUEUEUEU) EU prez van Rompuy calls WWI and WWII European "civil wars", posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 13 00:32:15 2012.

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He's partially right. WWI started as a pan-European civil war but events set in motion by the sinking of the Lusitania and the Zimmerman Telegram brought the US into the conflict. As for WWII, he's FULL OF SHIT. Japan's involvement and Hitler's invasion of Russia, together with the North African campaign made WWII GLOBAL.

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Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) EU prez van Rompuy calls WWI and WWII European ''civil wars''

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 13 15:57:41 2012, in response to Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) EU prez van Rompuy calls WWI and WWII European ''civil wars'', posted by SLRT on Sat Oct 13 09:41:33 2012.

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Dig a (memory) hole, eh?

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Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) EU prez van Rompuy calls WWI and WWII European ''civil wars''

Posted by SLRT on Sat Oct 13 17:57:38 2012, in response to Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) EU prez van Rompuy calls WWI and WWII European ''civil wars'', posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 13 15:57:41 2012.

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Eurasia was always at war with Oceania. Always.

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Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) EU prez van Rompuy calls WWI and WWII European ''civil wars''

Posted by SLRT on Sat Oct 13 18:07:04 2012, in response to Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) EU prez van Rompuy calls WWI and WWII European ''civil wars'', posted by RockParkMan on Sat Oct 13 11:00:42 2012.

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The OED which, incredibly, is more respected than OT Chat, defines civil war as: "n. war between the citizens or inhabitants of a single country, state, or community; an instance of this;.

Herr van Rompuy surely knows this, and means to maintain that Europe is a single "country, state, or community" occasionally rent by individual factions. Wow. And here I thought Fantasyland was in Anaheim.

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Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) EU prez van Rompuy calls WWI and WWII European ''civil wars''

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 13 18:07:48 2012, in response to Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) EU prez van Rompuy calls WWI and WWII European ''civil wars'', posted by SLRT on Sat Oct 13 17:57:38 2012.

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Olog's a bit worked up. :)



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Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) EU prez van Rompuy calls WWI and WWII European ''civil wars''

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 13 19:31:00 2012, in response to Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) EU prez van Rompuy calls WWI and WWII European ''civil wars'', posted by SLRT on Sat Oct 13 18:07:04 2012.

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"Herr" instead of "Meneer", eh?

And anyone who thinks of Europe as a single country gives credence to all three incarnations of the Reich . . . as well as the EU, which van Rompuy has just left-handedly declared the Fourth.

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Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) EU prez van Rompuy calls WWI and WWII European ''civil wars''

Posted by SLRT on Sat Oct 13 19:37:26 2012, in response to Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) EU prez van Rompuy calls WWI and WWII European ''civil wars'', posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 13 18:07:48 2012.

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This is what happens when you're not allowed to rape and pillage any more.

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Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) EU prez van Rompuy calls WWI and WWII European ''civil wars''

Posted by RockParkMan on Sat Oct 13 19:39:13 2012, in response to Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) EU prez van Rompuy calls WWI and WWII European ''civil wars'', posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 13 19:31:00 2012.

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WAAAAHHHHH, WWWAAAAHHHHH NO MORE Britannia.
FUCK YOU. LIFE GOES ON.

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Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) EU prez van Rompuy calls WWI and WWII European ''civil wars''

Posted by SLRT on Sat Oct 13 19:40:30 2012, in response to Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) EU prez van Rompuy calls WWI and WWII European ''civil wars'', posted by RockParkMan on Sat Oct 13 19:39:13 2012.

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Oceania has always been at war with RockParkMan. Always.

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Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) EU prez van Rompuy calls WWI and WWII European ''civil wars''

Posted by RockParkMan on Sat Oct 13 19:44:15 2012, in response to Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) EU prez van Rompuy calls WWI and WWII European ''civil wars'', posted by SLRT on Sat Oct 13 19:40:30 2012.

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Nope, you're thinking of Eastasia and Eurasia.

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Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) EU prez van Rompuy calls WWI and WWII European ''civil wars''

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 13 19:53:38 2012, in response to Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) EU prez van Rompuy calls WWI and WWII European ''civil wars'', posted by SLRT on Sat Oct 13 19:37:26 2012.

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I blame Abba. :)

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Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) EU prez van Rompuy calls WWI and WWII European ''civil wars''

Posted by SLRT on Sat Oct 13 21:10:33 2012, in response to Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) EU prez van Rompuy calls WWI and WWII European ''civil wars'', posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 13 19:53:38 2012.

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I blame Dabba Doo.

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Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) EU prez van Rompuy calls WWI and WWII European ''civil wars''

Posted by SLRT on Sat Oct 13 21:14:58 2012, in response to Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) EU prez van Rompuy calls WWI and WWII European ''civil wars'', posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 13 19:31:00 2012.

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Rompuy has just left-handedly declared the Fourth.

"EU, EU, uber alles..."

I can name that tune in four goosesteps.



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David Cameron's education secretary talks about UK "walk(ing) out on" EUEUEUEUEU

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 14 08:50:12 2012, in response to EUEUEUEUEU Olog, posted by RockParkMan on Sat Nov 12 14:58:17 2011.

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Daily Mail

“We’re ready to walk out on Europe”: Prime Minister’s closest ally Michael Gove sparks EU furor with dramatic admission

  • Education Secretary has told friends that he would vote to leave if there was a referendum today on whether the UK should cut its ties with Brussels
  • He wants Britain to give other EU nations an ultimatum: ”Give us back our sovereignty or we will walk out”
  • Gove insists the UK could thrive as a free trading nation on its own like Norway and Switzerland
  • He has discussed his views in detail with David Cameron

By Simon Walters
PUBLISHED: 16:11 EST, 13 October 2012 | UPDATED: 16:24 EST, 13 October 2012
The chances of Britain leaving the EU rose dramatically last night after it emerged that one of David Cameron’s closest Cabinet allies believes it is time to tell Brussels bluntly: ‘We are ready to quit.’

Education Secretary Michael Gove has told friends that, if there was a referendum today on whether the UK should cut its ties with Brussels, he would vote to leave.

He wants Britain to give other EU nations an ultimatum: ‘Give us back our sovereignty or we will walk out.’

Gove insists the UK could thrive as a free trading nation on its own, like other non-EU nations in Europe such as Norway and Switzerland. He has changed his view partly as a result of his fury at Brussels meddling, which has held up his school reforms.

Gove, one of the Prime Minister’s closest confidants, has discussed his views in detail with Cameron. In an anti-EU pincer movement by the two Tory allies, Cameron will formally announce later this month the first major step towards grabbing back powers from Brussels. He will set out in detail how he plans to withdraw Britain from EU justice ties, but he will then ‘cherry-pick’ which aspects of Anglo-EU legal co-operation he believes are in British interests.

These could include the European Arrest Warrant (EAW), access to police databases, prisoner transfers and cooperation over drugs trafficking and money laundering.

The disclosures are the latest evidence of a turning point in Britain’s relationship with the EU, which is currently gripped by the euro crisis.

Cameron has struck an increasingly tough stance. He won plaudits for vetoing changes in the EU Treaty, has edged closer to pledging an ‘In or Out’ referendum, and suggested Brussels should have two budgets, one for eurozone nations and another for non-eurozone nations such as the UK.

Gove, backed by Euroskeptic Ministers including Welfare Secretary Iain Duncan Smith and Environment Secretary Owen Paterson, wants Cameron to go even further.

A well-placed source said: ‘Countless British Prime Ministers have said they want to reclaim powers over justice, fishing, employment, health and safety and other matters from the EU. But when people like John Humphrys and Adam Boulton say to them, “What if they refuse? Have you got the courage to tell them you are packing your bags and leaving?” they always reply feebly, “Er, no, we won’t.” Michael thinks it is about time we spelled it out, in simple words that even Brussels bureaucrats can understand, that we won’t tolerate this any longer. We have to tell them if they don’t return some of the important powers they have snaffled from us, we will leave. We have nothing to be scared of and he wants them to know that. We are a major trading nation and that gives us considerable bargaining power with the EU whether we leave — or stay in.’

Last night, Tory grandee Bernard Jenkin, chairman of the Commons Public Administration Committee and a long-time EU critic, said: ‘The significance of the change in Michael Gove’s attitude cannot be overstated. No one is closer to David Cameron and Michael clearly now agrees with people like me who have been arguing for years that we should be prepared to leave the EU if they do not agree to a substantial renegotiation of our terms of membership.’

Gove’s view on Europe has changed so dramatically that he has spoken admiringly of arch Tory Euroskeptic MP Bill Cash. For years, Cash has been derided by mainstream Conservatives as an extremist. But Gove observed: ‘Maybe Bill Cash was right all along.’

The Education Secretary is among a number of Tory Ministers who say they have been shocked to discover the extent of Brussels’ power to interfere in UK legislation. Officials say several aspects of Gove’s school reforms have been ‘disrupted’ by the EU and the European Court of Human Rights. They claim his plan to make it easier for the bosses of failing schools to get rid of substandard teachers have been affected by an EU anti-sacking law. Gove has also been told moves to give teachers greater power to discipline pupils could fall foul of the ECHR. And plans to streamline the process for building new schools and classrooms have been delayed by complex EU laws on procurement which are said to be ‘pro big business’, making it impossible for local building firms to win contracts.

The increasingly Euroskeptic mood of Cameron and fellow senior Ministers is certain to place further strains on relations with pro-EU Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg. Cynics will say it also reflects the electoral threat to the Tories posed by the fiercely anti-EU UKIP.

More than 100 Tory MPs this year called on Cameron to take Britain out of the EAW, on the grounds that it infringes British sovereignty and takes little account of widely varying standards of procedural fairness across Europe. By withdrawing from EU justice ties, Cameron will have to exempt the UK from all 130 arrangements with Brussels that concern home affairs. Downing Street will then negotiate over which measures to opt back into — and on terms more acceptable to Euroskeptic backbenchers.


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Re: David Cameron's education secretary talks about UK ''walk(ing) out on'' EUEUEUEUEU

Posted by RockParkMan on Sun Oct 14 09:21:18 2012, in response to David Cameron's education secretary talks about UK "walk(ing) out on" EUEUEUEUEU, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 14 08:50:12 2012.

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NMP.

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Re: David Cameron's education secretary talks about UK ''walk(ing) out on'' EUEUEUEUEU

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Oct 14 14:41:13 2012, in response to David Cameron's education secretary talks about UK "walk(ing) out on" EUEUEUEUEU, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 14 08:50:12 2012.

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he told friends, he would vote... OK so he will waste a vote.

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(EUEUEUEUEU) Jewish man knocked unconscious in Paris métro

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 14 16:15:15 2012, in response to EUEUEUEUEU Olog, posted by RockParkMan on Sat Nov 12 14:58:17 2011.

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Jewish Telegraphic Agency

Jewish man knocked unconscious in Paris metro

October 14, 2012
MARSEILLE, France (JTA) — A Jewish man was attacked and rendered unconscious in the Paris métro, a local watchdog reported.

The 52-year-old victim entered the subway directly from his synagogue but wore no markings that would identify him as Jewish, according to a report on the late September incident by the National Bureau of Vigilance Against Anti-Semitism, or BNVCA, a nonprofit watchdog organization. The incident occurred on the eve of Rosh Hashanah.

He may have been targeted because of a Jewish philosophy book by the chief rabbi of Paris that he was reading in the metro when he was attacked, the report said.

The attackers, who are unknown, knocked the man unconscious with a sharp blow to his temple and did not steal anything from him as he lay unconscious on the subway floor. He sustained minor injuries.

A female passenger found the man lying on the floor and moved him out of the vehicle at Miromesnil station, near Champs-Elysées.

“It is clear from the pattern of incidents we are seeing that this was in all likelihood an anti-Semitic attack,” BNVCA President Sammy Ghozlan told JTA.

Last week, the security unit of France’s Jewish community, SPCJ, reported a 45 percent rise in anti-Semitic incidents during the first eight months of 2012 in comparison with their 2011 level of 266 incidents. SPCJ also reported three separate attacks that occurred during the High Holidays.


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Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) Jewish man knocked unconscious in Paris métro

Posted by Easy on Sun Oct 14 16:17:47 2012, in response to (EUEUEUEUEU) Jewish man knocked unconscious in Paris métro, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 14 16:15:15 2012.

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So no one saw what happened?

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Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) Jewish man knocked unconscious in Paris métro

Posted by SLRT on Sun Oct 14 17:04:29 2012, in response to Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) Jewish man knocked unconscious in Paris métro, posted by Easy on Sun Oct 14 16:17:47 2012.

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Are you implying something?

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Posted by Easy on Sun Oct 14 17:35:23 2012, in response to Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) Jewish man knocked unconscious in Paris métro, posted by SLRT on Sun Oct 14 17:04:29 2012.

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His story sounds very vague and I'm wondering whether it's possible that he made it up.

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Posted by RockParkMan on Sun Oct 14 17:41:29 2012, in response to Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) Jewish man knocked unconscious in Paris métro, posted by Easy on Sun Oct 14 17:35:23 2012.

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Then who slugged him???

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Posted by Easy on Sun Oct 14 17:43:23 2012, in response to Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) Jewish man knocked unconscious in Paris métro, posted by RockParkMan on Sun Oct 14 17:41:29 2012.

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Who does he say attacked him?

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Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) Jewish man knocked unconscious in Paris métro

Posted by Fred G on Sun Oct 14 17:56:53 2012, in response to Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) Jewish man knocked unconscious in Paris métro, posted by Easy on Sun Oct 14 17:35:23 2012.

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Been drinkin...

your pal,
Fred

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(EUEUEUEUEU) German politicians want more security cameras on the streets

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 21 17:28:59 2012, in response to EUEUEUEUEU Olog, posted by RockParkMan on Sat Nov 12 14:58:17 2011.

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The Local (DPA)

Germany 'needs more public security cameras'

Published: 21 Oct 12 10:33 CET
Germany needs more cameras in public places and more police patrolling the streets, the interior minister said in an interview on Sunday. Attacks were becoming more brutal, despite a decline in general street crime.

Interior Minister Hans-Peter Friedrich told the Welt am Sonntag newspaper that the country needed more security cameras in public places.

Germany currently does not have extensive security cameras coverage of streets and parks — they are largely limited to train stations. There is a strong social suspicion of public monitoring in the country, which can be seen in strict privacy and data protection laws as well as photo-based maps being forced to blur out houses when requested.

Anything other than putting more cameras and “the more police the better” on the streets, would be surrender, he added.

The Christian Social Union (CSU) politician said it was unacceptable that in certain areas in cities, people could not go about their daily lives safely and suggested that cameras would deter criminals acting as a preventative measure against crime.

Increasing police presence on the street would, he said, also help people in Germany feel safer. The brutal murder of a young man in central Berlin has triggered Friedrich's push for increased public safety.

The seemingly growing brutality of street crime in Germany has concerned the minister. He added that in general, figures had dropped but the attacks that did happen tended to be more violent.


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Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) German politicians want more security cameras on the streets

Posted by DANd124 on Sun Oct 21 17:31:17 2012, in response to (EUEUEUEUEU) German politicians want more security cameras on the streets, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 21 17:28:59 2012.

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Amazing timing...

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Posted by Easy on Sun Oct 21 17:35:39 2012, in response to (EUEUEUEUEU) German politicians want more security cameras on the streets, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 21 17:28:59 2012.

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The alternative approach practiced by the NYPD is to harass young minorities, especially black men.

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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 21 19:00:03 2012, in response to Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) German politicians want more security cameras on the streets, posted by Easy on Sun Oct 21 17:35:39 2012.

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. . . so saith the liberal media.

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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 21 19:00:32 2012, in response to Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) German politicians want more security cameras on the streets, posted by DANd124 on Sun Oct 21 17:31:17 2012.

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Yes, that other Olog is a smart guy. Tipped me off to that story, thanks to you pointing me to FR.

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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Oct 21 19:37:02 2012, in response to (EUEUEUEUEU) German politicians want more security cameras on the streets, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 21 17:28:59 2012.

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Wow ... playing catch up with the Brits. :)

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Posted by DANd124 on Sun Oct 21 19:37:56 2012, in response to Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) German politicians want more security cameras on the streets, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 21 19:00:32 2012.

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lol

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Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) German politicians want more security cameras on the streets

Posted by RockParkMan on Sun Oct 21 19:59:05 2012, in response to (EUEUEUEUEU) German politicians want more security cameras on the streets, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 21 17:28:59 2012.

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Not our problem.

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Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) German politicians want more security cameras on the streets

Posted by RockParkMan on Sun Oct 21 19:59:55 2012, in response to Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) German politicians want more security cameras on the streets, posted by Easy on Sun Oct 21 17:35:39 2012.

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Olog supports that. DON'T SUPPORT NAZIS.

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Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) German politicians want more security cameras on the streets

Posted by RockParkMan on Sun Oct 21 20:01:11 2012, in response to Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) German politicians want more security cameras on the streets, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 21 19:00:03 2012.

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Will you take your phony "Son-God" AND SHOVE HIM UP YOUR ASS.

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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Oct 21 20:05:26 2012, in response to Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) German politicians want more security cameras on the streets, posted by Easy on Sun Oct 21 17:35:39 2012.

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they are trying to save the lives of young blacks by getting the guns and knives out of the hands of the thugster types who terrorize blacks who want to go to safe schools and play in safe playgrounds. why can't you see that?

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(EUEUEUEUEU) Europe4All graphic very telling of ideology

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Oct 22 01:55:20 2012, in response to EUEUEUEUEU Olog, posted by RockParkMan on Sat Nov 12 14:58:17 2011.

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Plenty of scattering of the hammer and sickle around this star motif (which some people online think resembles a pentagram too much) . . .



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Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) Europe4All graphic very telling of ideology

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Oct 22 02:07:51 2012, in response to (EUEUEUEUEU) Europe4All graphic very telling of ideology, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Oct 22 01:55:20 2012.

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Pssst! *OUR* flag has 50 of them on it. :)

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Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) Europe4All graphic very telling of ideology

Posted by SLRT on Mon Oct 22 10:25:13 2012, in response to (EUEUEUEUEU) Europe4All graphic very telling of ideology, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Oct 22 01:55:20 2012.

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Not one of the things that keeps me awake at night.

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Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) Europe4All graphic very telling of ideology

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Oct 22 13:23:24 2012, in response to Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) Europe4All graphic very telling of ideology, posted by SLRT on Mon Oct 22 10:25:13 2012.

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(EUEUEUEUEU) Italian court convicts scientists of *manslaughter* over 2009 earthquake

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Oct 22 16:15:31 2012, in response to EUEUEUEUEU Olog, posted by RockParkMan on Sat Nov 12 14:58:17 2011.

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So even though there's no reliable way to predict an earthquake, this sick, twisted court in L'Aquila, Italy holds these scientists responsible for not predicting the earthquake and declared them guilty of manslaughter (which is the same as saying they caused the quake). What next: burning scientists at the stake? Galileo's persecution to the power of "googolplex"?

AP via Manchester Guardian

Scientists convicted of manslaughter for failing to warn of earthquake

A court in L'Aquila, Italy, has sentenced defendants to six years in prison despite lack of any reliable way to predict quakes

Associated Press
Monday 22 October 2012 14.05 EDT
An Italian court convicted seven scientists and experts of manslaughter on Monday for failing to adequately warn citizens before an earthquake struck L'Aquila in central Italy in 2009, killing more than 300 people.

The court in L'Aquila sentenced the defendants to six years in prison. Each is a member of the country's Grand Commission on High Risks.

In Italy, convictions aren't definitive until after at least one level of appeals, so it is unlikely any of the defendants will face jail immediately.

Scientists worldwide had decried the trial as ridiculous, contending that science has no reliable way to predict earthquakes.

Among those convicted were some of Italy's most prominent and internationally-respected seismologists and geological experts, including Enzo Boschi, former head of the country's Institute of Geophysics and Volcanology.

"I am dejected, desperate," Boschi said after the verdict. "I thought I would have been acquitted. I still don't understand what I was convicted of."

The trial began in September 2011 in L'Aquila, whose devastated historic center is still largely a ghost town.

The defendants were accused of giving "inexact, incomplete and contradictory information" about whether small tremors felt by L'Aquila residents in the weeks and months before the 6 April 2009 quake should have constituted grounds for a quake warning.

The 6.3-magnitude quake killed 308 people in and around the medieval town and forced survivors to live in tent camps for months.

Many much smaller tremors had rattled the area in the months before the quake, causing frightened people to wonder if they should evacuate.

"I consider myself innocent before God and men," said another convicted defendant, Bernardo De Bernardinis, a former official of Italy's Civil Protection Agency.

Prosecutors had sought a conviction and four-year sentences during the non-jury trial, which was led by a judge.

A defence lawyer, Filippo Dinacci, told reporters that the sentence would have "big repercussions" on public administration since officials would be afraid to "do anything."

Roger Musson, head of seismic hazards and archives at the British Geological Survey, said: "This is a very sad business indeed, these are people I know, who were doing their best to give an accurate account of large earthquakes. It seems to be wrong that they should be prosecuted for offering scientific advice to the best of their ability."

He added: "It will certainly make scientists less free in speaking out where perhaps their expertise is really needed."

John Elliott of Oxford University's Department of Earth Sciences said: "This verdict is a sad end to a tragic series of events in L'Aquila. Earthquakes cannot be predicted, and these scientists should not even have been on trial accused of providing incomplete information, because it is unfair to have expected them to have provided an exact and complete warning of an earthquake in the first place — this is something which is not yet credibly possible for earthquake science."


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Re: EUEUEUEUEU Bitcoin developers want to help solve crisis

Posted by RockParkMan on Mon Oct 22 17:55:30 2012, in response to EUEUEUEUEU Olog, posted by RockParkMan on Sat Nov 12 14:58:17 2011.

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http://txchnologist.com/post/32799981468/can-bitcoin-offer-hope-to-skidding-local-and-national

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Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) Europe4All graphic very telling of ideology

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Oct 22 17:57:57 2012, in response to Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) Europe4All graphic very telling of ideology, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Oct 22 13:23:24 2012.

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Sure you can ... but if you're going to keep poking them, you're gonna get bit.

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Re: EUEUEUEUEU Bitcoin developers want to help solve crisis

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Mon Oct 22 20:07:55 2012, in response to Re: EUEUEUEUEU Bitcoin developers want to help solve crisis, posted by RockParkMan on Mon Oct 22 17:55:30 2012.

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STOP necroposting NOW!!!

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Re: TURTLE 5 Bitcoin developers want to help solve crisis

Posted by RockParkMan on Mon Oct 22 20:24:00 2012, in response to Re: EUEUEUEUEU Bitcoin developers want to help solve crisis, posted by Dan Lawrence on Mon Oct 22 20:07:55 2012.

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I just got the article TODAY, Asswipe.
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EUEUEUEUEU's carbon-trading "system" is **broken**

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Oct 26 14:13:56 2012, in response to EUEUEUEUEU Olog, posted by RockParkMan on Sat Nov 12 14:58:17 2011.

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A kleptocracy can never be "fixed", by definition, anyway.

Der Spiegel

10/26/2012
Cutting Carbon

Is Europe's Emissions Trading System Broken?

By Joel Stonington

Emitting CO2 into the atmosphere is dirt cheap in Europe these days. At just €8 (US$10.35) per ton, the low price is undermining the European Union's effort to establish an effective cap and trade system. Implementing necessary fixes to the system, however, won't be easy in the face of industry opposition.

Europe's carbon market is in deep trouble and it's not just environmentalists sounding the alarm. Back in April, the CEO of Shell said that the European Union's system for trading allowances for the emission of greenhouse gases was "in danger." But that's about as direct as anyone will get in this world of bureaucratese. Most simply talk of "price weakness" (meaning that emission credits are absurdly cheap), a desire for "long-term policy certainty" (the system needs a fix!), and the need to "restore confidence" (and the fix has to come fast!).

The simple fact is that the most important tool in Europe's fight against climate change needs a major fix. When it was introduced in 2005, the idea was to make pollution expensive. And in the summer of 2008, the price for emitting a ton of carbon peaked at a price of around €30 (US$38.81). But the global financial crisis and ensuing economic downturn in Europe have taken their toll. Prices are currently hovering around €8 (US$10.35) per ton of carbon emissions, hardly the disincentive policy makers had hoped for.

"The emissions trading system is not very credible," said Jo Leinen, a Social Democratic member of European Parliament from Germany, in a recent phone interview. "It doesn't look like it has credibility in the near future. So we need to give it back its real function to be an incentive for low carbon investment and low carbon technology."

The regime, known as the Emissions Trading System (ETS), is now entering a third phase intended to begin the process of reducing the number of credits available, thus forcing prices up and pollution down. It will also dramatically increase the number of credits that are auctioned off rather than handed out. But its problems this year are more obvious than ever. Far too many carbon credits were given out in the beginning of the program and companies produced less in the downturn, resulting in a huge surplus of credits. Current prices for emissions certificates hardly act as a disincentive to continue emitting CO2.

Looking at Fixes for the ETS

The European Commission is aware of the problem. In a draft report leaked to the press earlier this week, the Commission lays out proposals for both short- and long-term fixes to the ETS. And time, it would appear, is of the essence. "The options for structural measures outlined in the report should be discussed and explored without delay," the report reads according to Bloomberg.

Neither fix, however, will be easy and even proposals for short-term repairs are controversial. It remains to be seen whether there is enough political will to address the issue as the EU continues to muddle through the euro crisis. Yet failure to act would render meaningless the single most important governmental tool for reducing the emissions that cause climate change.

According to a Climate Action Commission report released on Wednesday, the EU remains on track to achieve its goal of 20 percent lower emissions by 2020 relative to 1990. Some point to the reductions as a success for the ETS, such as a recent study by the Environmental Defense Fund, while others suggest reductions so far are due to governmental policies in addition to the economic downturn. Indeed, success for the program can thus far mostly be measured in the fact that it exists at all.

But the ETS blueprint calls for the third phase, which will run from 2013 to 2020, to be much more rigorous, making it more expensive for major emitters and generating large amounts of revenue for member countries through the increased auctioning of credits.

Yet the huge surplus of credits handed out early in the program has largely undermined the teeth that the launch of the third phase was supposed to show. The proposed solution for the short-term is to take some credits out of the system early in the third phase of the program and put them back in at the end. The idea has been called back-loading.

'No-Brainer'

European Climate Action Commissioner Connie Hedegaard called this "an administrative thing" in a recent phone interview, though it's more controversial than that, with some opponents calling the plan a form of market manipulation.

According to Mark Lewis, a carbon market analyst at Deutsche Bank, the market is betting that back-loading will happen, with the only question being how many credits should be taken out. Without the back-loading plan looming, Lewis estimates that emissions allowances today would be worth just two or three euros. "The only value that these allowances have at the moment," said Lewis, "is the value of the political option."

Hedegaard laid out a plan in July containing models for withholding 400 million, 900 million or 1.2 billion carbon credits from planned auctions during the next three years. The price on Friday for an EU carbon permit on the ICE Futures Europe exchange is €7.94 (US$10.27) per metric ton. A report from Deutsche Bank suggests the price would stay steady or drop if only 400 million are taken out and rise to around €15 (US$19.41) per ton within 18 months if 900 million or 1.2 billion were initially removed.

"On backloading, this is a no brainer," Hedegaard said. "This is an overflooded market. Would it be wise to continue to overflood it?"

Various players in the carbon market have proposed that up to a full year's worth of carbon credits — in 2011, 2.08 billion allowances were issued — be removed for later back-loading. With phase three, credit auctions were supposed to provide member countries with money for investing in low-carbon initiatives. But revenue from the scheme is less than half of what was projected just a few years ago.

It isn't difficult to find the culprit. When the system was designed, it used contemporary models predicting economic growth. But 2008 radically changed the outlook in Europe and the surplus of carbon credits has been building ever since.

'A Very Expensive Route'

As it currently stands, The European Commission does not expect the surplus to disappear organically by 2020. A commission draft document recently predicted that 1.5 billion surplus allowances will still be on the books at the end of the third phase. The draft report leaked earlier this week raised that estimate to 2 billion, according to Reuters.

"Having a low carbon price isn't a reflection of cheap decarbonization," said David Hone, Senior Climate Change Advisor at Shell, in a recent phone interview. "It probably means you've gone down a very expensive route and haven't allowed the ETS to do what it was set up to do, which is to find the lowest cost route to tackle the emissions problem."

Simply temporarily removing allowances from the system, though, may not be enough. The recently leaked draft document proposing fixes to the ETS laid out a number of deeper structural adjustments to the program, changes that Commissioner Hedegaard said are political dynamite. "It is more difficult when you come to the more structural options that we will present a month from now," she said.

Proposals for such larger fixes include a tighter cap on emissions, canceling credits outright or lowering the total number of credits issued, according to Reuters. Indeed, the United Kingdom recently called for 1.8 billion credits to be permanently removed from the system to spur prices higher.

Some ideas from the financial and academic communities appear no longer to be under consideration, such as the creation of a central bank for the ETS that could adjust the number of credits in a downturn or the idea of setting a mandatory minimum price for auctions.

Of course, much of this feels like déjà vu. SPIEGEL ONLINE noted back in 2006 that phase two of the ETS was "expected to run more smoothly." But that didn't happen. With the downturn, significant industry profits resulting from the sale of unused emissions certificates, a fraud scandal and the simple fact of too many credits given away, some studies now politely refer to both phase one and two as "teething phases."

'No Man's Land'

All of this, however, should not suggest that the system is broken entirely. The conversation about the cost of carbon in Europe is firmly entrenched in boardrooms. The biggest producers of greenhouse gases are part of the program with an expected 50 percent of the EU emissions part of the plan by 2013. Some are optimistic that Europe will simply be able to work out the kinks along the way.

But as with many proposals for necessary reform in Europe, opposition to potential ETS fixes is substantial. Ironically, the main opposition to both short- and long-term fixes to the ETS comes from those who have profited from or been given special allowances in the program.

Industrial manufacturers, for example, received millions of unneeded credits during the recession that they then sold on to power companies, essentially a twice-removed subsidy for the manufacturing sector. Perhaps not surprisingly, the powerful manufacturing and business lobby, BusinessEurope, has objected to the backloading plan, according to Bloomberg. The estimate of windfall profits during the first two phases runs at €19 billion (US$24.6 billion), according to a study put out in 2010.

"It's uncontroversial that the sale of allowances during the nadir of the recession was an important source of income for many companies," confirms Damien Morris, Senior Policy Advisor at Sandbag Climate Campaign.

The other major opposition to any ETS changes is coal-dependent Poland. Back in April, Poland's Environment Minister Marcin Korolec told Reuters that fixing the ETS could bankrupt industry in the country. Poland is one of 10 EU countries that can get exemptions from paying for allowances for up to seven years. But that's only if Poland agrees to invest in renewables and diversify, something the country has not been willing to do.

"We're sort of in 'no man's land' at the moment," said Deutsche Bank's Lewis. "You've got a price out there that is costing the consumer an extra seven or eight euros a ton. Power is really what is affected. We're paying a higher power price than we would be otherwise because of the carbon market but we're not getting the advantage of renewable investments."


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(EUEUEUEUEU) School in Berlin, Germany segregating kids by race

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Oct 26 17:53:57 2012, in response to EUEUEUEUEU Olog, posted by RockParkMan on Sat Nov 12 14:58:17 2011.

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The Local

Berlin schools 'racially segregating' children

Published: 26 Oct 12 17:30 CET
Several primary and secondary schools in Berlin are segregating migrant children into classes with “vastly inferior education,” to attract "ethnic Germans," an NGO has told a United Nations Human Rights session in Geneva.

The report, drawn up by the Open Society Justice Initiative (OSJI) noted that children of immigrants are being segregated from native-born German pupils on the putative grounds that their German language skills are inadequate for regular classes.

“In fact, although they speak German as a second language (in most cases), their language skills generally are adequate for regular classes, but serve as a proxy for discrimination on the basis of ethnicity or other suspect criteria,” the OSJI reported.

“The discriminatory practices stigmatise migrant students, undermine their potential to integrate and participate fully in German society, and violate Germany’s obligations to prohibit discrimination,” the report concluded.

Serdar Yazar, of the Berlin Brandenburg Turkish association (TBB), which helped gather data and parents' testimonies for the report, was unsurprised by its conclusions, but said that active segregation was a new development.

"This is a new tendency," he told The Local. "We've had a lot of negative references for children of immigrant background who want to go to other schools, but in the last two or three years we've had more and more cases of separated classes."

He cites one particularly well-known case of a primary school in the Kreuzberg district of Berlin.

"There was a parents' initiative from German parents, who said, 'We're worried because our children won't get a good education, and will have difficulties with the German language. We live in an area with a large number of children with immigrant background. So we have to find a system where there are so-called immigrant classes, and classes with native German speakers.' And the school directors bowed to their wishes," Yazar explained.

The NGO found that school directors were creating separate classes – “with preferential conditions, better teachers, and additional learning projects” — specifically to attract ethnic German parents.

The report added that school administrators were colluding with teachers to keep classes closed to children of immigrants, in order to “guarantee” elite groups to ethnic German parents.

The report also made clear that this segregation was helped by Germany’s three-tier education system, which funnels children into either a Gymnasium, Realschule, or Hauptschule straight after primary school.

This system has been criticised by the UN before, since it encourages discrimination and disadvantages children from immigrant backgrounds. "The system is still very non-transparent," said Yazar.

"What we find is that children with immigrant background often don't find a place in the popular, attractive schools, apparently because of lack of capacity. And a lot of people don't believe that. There's a very strongly-felt discrimination, and sometimes evidence for it appears."

Yazar also thinks the problem is not just confined to Berlin. "I know cases from North Rhine-Westphalia, and I know a few cases from Hamburg too," he said.

The NGO called on the German government to expand its discrimination laws to include public education, and on teaching authorities to provide additional support for children of immigrant backgrounds to ensure they are integrated into regular classes.

The report was commissioned by the UN for its 106th Human Rights Committee session in Geneva, which runs until November 2.


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(EUEUEUEUEU) Schools in Berlin, Germany segregating kids by race

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Oct 26 17:54:14 2012, in response to EUEUEUEUEU Olog, posted by RockParkMan on Sat Nov 12 14:58:17 2011.

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The Local

Berlin schools 'racially segregating' children

Published: 26 Oct 12 17:30 CET
Several primary and secondary schools in Berlin are segregating migrant children into classes with “vastly inferior education,” to attract "ethnic Germans," an NGO has told a United Nations Human Rights session in Geneva.

The report, drawn up by the Open Society Justice Initiative (OSJI) noted that children of immigrants are being segregated from native-born German pupils on the putative grounds that their German language skills are inadequate for regular classes.

“In fact, although they speak German as a second language (in most cases), their language skills generally are adequate for regular classes, but serve as a proxy for discrimination on the basis of ethnicity or other suspect criteria,” the OSJI reported.

“The discriminatory practices stigmatise migrant students, undermine their potential to integrate and participate fully in German society, and violate Germany’s obligations to prohibit discrimination,” the report concluded.

Serdar Yazar, of the Berlin Brandenburg Turkish association (TBB), which helped gather data and parents' testimonies for the report, was unsurprised by its conclusions, but said that active segregation was a new development.

"This is a new tendency," he told The Local. "We've had a lot of negative references for children of immigrant background who want to go to other schools, but in the last two or three years we've had more and more cases of separated classes."

He cites one particularly well-known case of a primary school in the Kreuzberg district of Berlin.

"There was a parents' initiative from German parents, who said, 'We're worried because our children won't get a good education, and will have difficulties with the German language. We live in an area with a large number of children with immigrant background. So we have to find a system where there are so-called immigrant classes, and classes with native German speakers.' And the school directors bowed to their wishes," Yazar explained.

The NGO found that school directors were creating separate classes – “with preferential conditions, better teachers, and additional learning projects” — specifically to attract ethnic German parents.

The report added that school administrators were colluding with teachers to keep classes closed to children of immigrants, in order to “guarantee” elite groups to ethnic German parents.

The report also made clear that this segregation was helped by Germany’s three-tier education system, which funnels children into either a Gymnasium, Realschule, or Hauptschule straight after primary school.

This system has been criticised by the UN before, since it encourages discrimination and disadvantages children from immigrant backgrounds. "The system is still very non-transparent," said Yazar.

"What we find is that children with immigrant background often don't find a place in the popular, attractive schools, apparently because of lack of capacity. And a lot of people don't believe that. There's a very strongly-felt discrimination, and sometimes evidence for it appears."

Yazar also thinks the problem is not just confined to Berlin. "I know cases from North Rhine-Westphalia, and I know a few cases from Hamburg too," he said.

The NGO called on the German government to expand its discrimination laws to include public education, and on teaching authorities to provide additional support for children of immigrant backgrounds to ensure they are integrated into regular classes.

The report was commissioned by the UN for its 106th Human Rights Committee session in Geneva, which runs until November 2.


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