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Posted by JayMan on Fri Oct 7 08:44:40 2011 Here's my estimate of the IQs of the current Republican Presidential candidates, based on their accomplishments, their behavior, and what comes out of their mouths. Almost certainly these will be within 5 points of the real number:Michele Bachmann: 118 Mitt Romney: 130 Rick Perry: 120 Herman Cain: 117 Newt Gingrich: 132 John Huntsman: 129 Rick Santorum: 123 Ron Paul: 138 Tim Pawlenty: 128 Others: Sarah Palin: 119 Chris Christie: 128 John McCain: 130 (not an estimate; based on actual tests) Barack Obama: 143 John Edwards: 135 Eliot Spitzer: 145 (based on SAT score) Bill Clinton: 140 Hilary Clinton: 139 To remind, the average White IQ is 100 and the standard deviation is 15. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Oct 7 08:47:19 2011, in response to IQs of Republican Presidential Candidates, posted by JayMan on Fri Oct 7 08:44:40 2011. Your guess for Santorum is extremely generous.Christie's IQ is much higher than your estimate. |
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Posted by JayMan on Fri Oct 7 08:54:19 2011, in response to Re: IQs of Republican Presidential Candidates, posted by SMAZ on Fri Oct 7 08:47:19 2011. Hehe, I don't really know much about Santorum, above what's provided by Google...but yeah, for some of the little known, little seen ones like Santorum, Pawlenty, or Huntsman it's hard to gauge.Christie strikes me as clever but not extraordinarily brilliant; he is a creationist, after all. I think my number is probably accurate ±5 pts. |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri Oct 7 08:54:45 2011, in response to IQs of Republican Presidential Candidates, posted by JayMan on Fri Oct 7 08:44:40 2011. the average White IQ is 100Strictly speaking, the average IQ of the total population is supposed to be 100, at least as IQ is supposed to be calculated. |
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Posted by JayMan on Fri Oct 7 08:56:50 2011, in response to Re: IQs of Republican Presidential Candidates, posted by SLRT on Fri Oct 7 08:54:45 2011. Strictly speaking, the average IQ of the total population is supposed to be 100, at least as IQ is supposed to be calculated.Well, I'm afraid that's not how it works. Indeed, since different groups have considerable different means, it makes much more sense to split them up as much as possible to get an accurate measure. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Oct 7 09:06:08 2011, in response to Re: IQs of Republican Presidential Candidates, posted by JayMan on Fri Oct 7 08:54:19 2011. Christie strikes me as clever but not extraordinarily brilliant; he is a creationist, after all. I think my number is probably accurate ±5 pts.Christie is no creationist. He's just manipulating the idiots. Don't let his appearance and way of words fool you. He has great intellect. |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri Oct 7 09:30:21 2011, in response to Re: IQs of Republican Presidential Candidates, posted by JayMan on Fri Oct 7 08:56:50 2011. No it doesn't. You don't have a "white 100" and a "black 100" and an "oriental 100." |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Oct 7 09:47:16 2011, in response to IQs of Republican Presidential Candidates, posted by JayMan on Fri Oct 7 08:44:40 2011. This crap sounds more than a bit self-serving and based on your political prejudices. |
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Posted by JayMan on Fri Oct 7 09:53:02 2011, in response to Re: IQs of Republican Presidential Candidates, posted by Train Dude on Fri Oct 7 09:47:16 2011. Why? |
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Posted by JayMan on Fri Oct 7 09:54:11 2011, in response to Re: IQs of Republican Presidential Candidates, posted by SLRT on Fri Oct 7 09:30:21 2011. No you don't, when everyone takes the same test (presumably a culture-fair test), you can set "100" to be any point. It's currently set to either the White British or White American mean. When you do that, then you get the means other groups (85 in the case of Black Americans and 105 in case of "Orientals" [East Asians]). |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Oct 7 10:03:43 2011, in response to Re: IQs of Republican Presidential Candidates, posted by JayMan on Fri Oct 7 09:53:02 2011. Where is the data on which you base your claims? By your own admission, these are your estimations. How do you filter out your own prejudice? |
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Posted by JayMan on Fri Oct 7 10:14:34 2011, in response to Re: IQs of Republican Presidential Candidates, posted by Train Dude on Fri Oct 7 10:03:43 2011. It's an estimate, based on what I stated, and only an estimate. If someone can dig up IQ or SAT data for these folks, only then we'll see if my predictions are accurate. |
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Posted by DAND124 on Fri Oct 7 10:21:36 2011, in response to IQs of Republican Presidential Candidates, posted by JayMan on Fri Oct 7 08:44:40 2011. what's Obama's, Bush's, Reagan's? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Oct 7 10:27:16 2011, in response to Re: IQs of Republican Presidential Candidates, posted by JayMan on Fri Oct 7 10:14:34 2011. But you must admit that those "estimates" are tainted by your own political prejudices and the prejudices of the sources from which you draw your conclusions. |
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Posted by JayMan on Fri Oct 7 10:30:20 2011, in response to Re: IQs of Republican Presidential Candidates, posted by DAND124 on Fri Oct 7 10:21:36 2011. Obama's in my post.I'd say Reagan's was about 130, Bush II about 120. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Oct 7 10:30:48 2011, in response to Re: IQs of Republican Presidential Candidates, posted by Train Dude on Fri Oct 7 10:27:16 2011. To put it another way, I believe that if you made those same assessments of 20 random sub-chatters, the distribution would be similar depending on the individual's political leanings. You'd then, no doubt, justify it by saying that liberals usually have a higher IQ. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Oct 7 10:33:46 2011, in response to Re: IQs of Republican Presidential Candidates, posted by JayMan on Fri Oct 7 10:30:20 2011. Naturally. yet obama has succeeded at noting in 3 years. |
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Posted by JayMan on Fri Oct 7 10:34:32 2011, in response to Re: IQs of Republican Presidential Candidates, posted by Train Dude on Fri Oct 7 10:30:48 2011. I don't see why you're surprised the liberal politicians come back with a higher score. It's already been established that liberals are smarter than conservatives, on average. |
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Posted by JayMan on Fri Oct 7 10:35:09 2011, in response to Re: IQs of Republican Presidential Candidates, posted by Train Dude on Fri Oct 7 10:33:46 2011. There's more to success than IQ... |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Oct 7 10:35:33 2011, in response to Re: IQs of Republican Presidential Candidates, posted by JayMan on Fri Oct 7 10:34:32 2011. See, now that's ballsy. You make a statement and as proof, you offer up one of your previous statements. Real ballsy |
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Posted by JayMan on Fri Oct 7 10:39:13 2011, in response to Re: IQs of Republican Presidential Candidates, posted by Train Dude on Fri Oct 7 10:35:33 2011. I don't have proof of my estimates (save McCain and Spitzer), but I do have proof (offered in the previous post) that liberals are smarter than conservatives, on average.Interestingly, on average, libertarians are even smarter than liberals (showing that there's more to being correct than intelligence)... |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Fri Oct 7 10:42:29 2011, in response to IQs of Republican Presidential Candidates, posted by JayMan on Fri Oct 7 08:44:40 2011. 143? That must be before he did all dem drugs. |
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Posted by Bob Andersen on Fri Oct 7 10:48:03 2011, in response to Re: IQs of Republican Presidential Candidates, posted by SMAZ on Fri Oct 7 09:06:08 2011. He's smart enough to know that he doesn't yet have enough experience to be President (unlike some others). |
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Posted by DAND124 on Fri Oct 7 10:55:10 2011, in response to Re: IQs of Republican Presidential Candidates, posted by JayMan on Fri Oct 7 10:30:20 2011. i didn't see Obama somehow..what do you think the IQs of other 20th century presidents were. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Oct 7 11:33:58 2011, in response to IQs of Republican Presidential Candidates, posted by JayMan on Fri Oct 7 08:44:40 2011. Seems about right although I think that you are too generous. I doubt that Palin is a 119. She was an average college student at below average colleges. Plus she reportedly had trouble with the McCain campoaign briefings and is not known to be quick on her feet. I think that she is pretty close to 100, maybe slightly higher.Also Perry was a very average or even below average student at a very good university. At least it is now and I presume that it was when he attended. He also had an easy major. My guess for him would be about 105-110. Obama struggled at a good school and then was successful at super elite schools. I think that he is probably more in the 120 range though based on what I've seen. I think that Gingrich might be higher than that. |
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Posted by JayMan on Fri Oct 7 11:59:12 2011, in response to Re: IQs of Republican Presidential Candidates, posted by Easy on Fri Oct 7 11:33:58 2011. Yes, Palin may be more on the low side of what I estimated.The average college student is one standard deviation above the average of the population, or 115. That's about a C-B average student (at an average school). Perry's is probably accurate considering. Obama, as you pointed out, succeeded greatly at super elite schools. You don't do that with a 120-something IQ. It's also possible to do worse than one's potential as one has to not only be smart, but motivated. Listening to Obama, even when he ad libs, one gets the mark of intelligence. I think his IQ estimate is accurate. |
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Posted by JayMan on Fri Oct 7 12:04:03 2011, in response to Re: IQs of Republican Presidential Candidates, posted by Easy on Fri Oct 7 11:33:58 2011. And yes, Gingrich is probably on the high side of my estimate. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Oct 7 12:24:18 2011, in response to Re: IQs of Republican Presidential Candidates, posted by Train Dude on Fri Oct 7 09:47:16 2011. And racist. If IQ is indeed affected by race, someone wake up the zombie of William Shockley.Just tune the doofus out. |
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Posted by JayMan on Fri Oct 7 12:54:13 2011, in response to Re: IQs of Republican Presidential Candidates, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Oct 7 12:24:18 2011. I am talking about the IQs of specific individuals in this thread. What does race have to do with anything? |
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Posted by JayMan on Fri Oct 7 13:16:34 2011, in response to IQs of Republican Presidential Candidates, posted by JayMan on Fri Oct 7 08:44:40 2011. I forgot, for good measure, to add this guy:Donald Trump: 134 |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Oct 7 13:50:45 2011, in response to Re: IQs of Republican Presidential Candidates, posted by JayMan on Fri Oct 7 11:59:12 2011. I don't find Obama to be fluent at all.Just about every black guest on Bev Smith or Al Sharpton is more eloquent than he is. Obama stutters and stammers constantly. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Oct 7 14:06:39 2011, in response to Re: IQs of Republican Presidential Candidates, posted by Bob Andersen on Fri Oct 7 10:48:03 2011. Excellent post. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Oct 7 14:13:19 2011, in response to Re: IQs of Republican Presidential Candidates, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Oct 7 13:50:45 2011. Sadly, I have to agree. I don't like Al Sharpton, but he comes off much more eloquent when he speaks than Obama does. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Oct 7 14:14:45 2011, in response to Re: IQs of Republican Presidential Candidates, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Oct 7 14:13:19 2011. And I don't mean when he's reading a prepared speech from a teleprompter, I mean when he's actually really speaking his mind. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Oct 7 14:15:10 2011, in response to Re: IQs of Republican Presidential Candidates, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Oct 7 14:13:19 2011. Actually I meant guests on both Bev Smith and guests on Al Sharpton.Sharpton himself is illiterate. He pronounces testosterone, "testosterun". He may do it on purpose for his audience, but he's a joke. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Fri Oct 7 14:22:44 2011, in response to Re: IQs of Republican Presidential Candidates, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Oct 7 13:50:45 2011. Just about every black guest on Bev Smith or Al Sharpton is more eloquent than he isSome have argued that black people seem to have somewhat elevated verbal talents which allow them to cover up their IQ by sounding far more polished than the IQ would indicate. Obama may stutter at times, but it's a questionable means of judging IQ. I've had a few professors who have a tendency to stutter, but they're relatively accomplished and intelligent people. |
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Posted by JayMan on Fri Oct 7 14:36:09 2011, in response to Re: IQs of Republican Presidential Candidates, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Fri Oct 7 14:22:44 2011. This is what you mean. I was about to mention that same thing. The fluidity of one's speech doesn't necessarily indicates ones IQ, more indicative is the thoughtfulness behind one's words, the depth of the concept. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Oct 7 15:42:31 2011, in response to Re: IQs of Republican Presidential Candidates, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Oct 7 13:50:45 2011. Typical LuchAAA.Talk is about Obama and all he sees is a black person. You couldn't just compare him to past Presidents or other politicians. Nope, you had to compare him to black people on the radio. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Oct 7 15:43:11 2011, in response to Re: IQs of Republican Presidential Candidates, posted by JayMan on Fri Oct 7 13:16:34 2011. Do you beat all these people on IQ? |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri Oct 7 16:01:19 2011, in response to Re: IQs of Republican Presidential Candidates, posted by JayMan on Fri Oct 7 09:54:11 2011. Whatever population you're looking at, 100 is supposed to be the median; the top of the Bell Curve, not "anywhere you want." |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Oct 7 16:36:29 2011, in response to Re: IQs of Republican Presidential Candidates, posted by SMAZ on Fri Oct 7 15:42:31 2011. Obama without his teleprompter is no better than Bush. He almost looks confused when he isn't reading from it. That said, Bush didn't sound to great either when he was just talking. Clinton and Reagan spoke good, even without lines, as did Bush Sr. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Oct 7 16:41:02 2011, in response to Re: IQs of Republican Presidential Candidates, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Oct 7 16:36:29 2011. LuchAAA didn't compare him to the Bushes, Clinton or Reagan.He compared him to black callers on the radio. That's all he sees when he sees our President. A black guy. That says a lot about him. |
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Posted by JayMan on Fri Oct 7 16:44:45 2011, in response to Re: IQs of Republican Presidential Candidates, posted by SMAZ on Fri Oct 7 15:43:11 2011. Ha I wish! |
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Posted by JayMan on Fri Oct 7 16:45:14 2011, in response to Re: IQs of Republican Presidential Candidates, posted by SLRT on Fri Oct 7 16:01:19 2011. Where are you getting this from? |
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Posted by JayMan on Fri Oct 7 16:59:17 2011, in response to Re: IQs of Republican Presidential Candidates, posted by SLRT on Fri Oct 7 16:01:19 2011. I will also add that that would be true if all groups did equally well; they don't. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Oct 7 18:37:22 2011, in response to Re: IQs of Republican Presidential Candidates, posted by SMAZ on Fri Oct 7 15:42:31 2011. Why start a thread about Presidential candidates and include Palin? She's not running.Once Jayman did that, this thread could go anywhere. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Oct 7 18:39:11 2011, in response to Re: IQs of Republican Presidential Candidates, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Fri Oct 7 14:22:44 2011. Original AEM,What do you think of Sharpton saying "Testosterun" for "Testosterone"? I think he could be doing it on purpose to assert Ebonics. Sometimes I think I'm the only Chatter who listens to his show. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Oct 7 18:41:41 2011, in response to Re: IQs of Republican Presidential Candidates, posted by SMAZ on Fri Oct 7 16:41:02 2011. I never said "callers". I said "guests". They are distinguished quests.Kills you that I was right about Williams being replaced by a black person to make a statement. Kills you. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Oct 7 18:49:19 2011, in response to Re: IQs of Republican Presidential Candidates, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Oct 7 18:41:41 2011. Kills him that a lot of people he labels "righties" are right all the time and he's wrong. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Oct 7 20:13:59 2011, in response to Re: IQs of Republican Presidential Candidates, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Oct 7 18:39:11 2011. He gave up salt cuz it had too much sodiun.your pal, Fred |
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