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Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal)

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jun 29 21:05:03 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jun 29 13:06:50 2011.

Actually most of the Jews I know don't keep Kosher. One I used to work with ate shrimp and stuff like that too.

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Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal)

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 29 21:07:09 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Jun 29 20:36:43 2011.

You may have a spine but there's nothing at the top of it.

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Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal)

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 29 21:07:12 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Jun 29 21:00:55 2011.

It'd have to be a quick turnaround, because it's expected to fly through the upper house as well.

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Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal)

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 29 21:08:25 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Jun 29 20:36:43 2011.

Who's threatening you? You're either really twisted by your hatred or just psychotic.

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Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal)

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jun 29 21:09:19 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Jun 29 10:22:34 2011.

This nonsense starts with things like San Francisco wanting to ban people from owning goldfish and balloon into this nonsense.

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Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal)

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 29 21:11:17 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 29 19:40:06 2011.

Never mind "Hugh of Lincoln" . . .

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Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal)

Posted by Easy on Wed Jun 29 21:13:46 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jun 29 21:09:19 2011.

SF isn't looking to ban just goldfish you know. The proposal is to ban the sale of all animals that aren't intended to be eaten.

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Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal)

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 29 21:14:30 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Jun 29 21:02:30 2011.

Religious rights ARE human rights. Humans are the ones who observe religions. Animals have rights completely subordinate to humans. If you were truly concerned about animal rights, you wouldn't slaughter them for food at all.

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Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal)

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 29 21:15:19 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 29 21:14:30 2011.

But you wouldn't try to legislate in this area. This has to be personal choice. Taking that away is tyranny.

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Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal)

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Jun 29 21:18:47 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 29 21:14:30 2011.

and you would defend muslims in their religous freedoms like wearing burka's for their woman , now that would be religous freedom.

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Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal)

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jun 29 21:31:52 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Easy on Wed Jun 29 21:13:46 2011.

Yes, I thought some months ago I heard they wanted to ban dogs too. It's nuts.

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Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal)

Posted by SMAZ on Wed Jun 29 22:32:31 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jun 29 21:09:19 2011.

It starts with people wanting to deny the unpopular Muslims the same rights as everyone else with the majority egging the sleazy and self-promoting politicians on until they realize that those same laws also take their own religious freedoms away.

But hey, as long as we piss off the muzzies right?


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Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal)

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jun 29 22:40:12 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by SMAZ on Wed Jun 29 22:32:31 2011.

Muslims? I know this affects halal, but it Also majorly affects kosher.

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Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal)

Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jun 29 23:43:44 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by JohnL on Wed Jun 29 13:48:24 2011.

That's because you don't know anything about the subject.

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Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal)

Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jun 29 23:46:15 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jun 29 13:11:46 2011.

No, it's not interesting at all. Like I said. And as the others have since agreed with me.

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Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal)

Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jun 29 23:46:56 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jun 29 15:05:58 2011.

Wow. Seriously?

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Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal)

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 30 00:04:25 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Jun 29 21:18:47 2011.

Yes, it would if that is the woman's choice.

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Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal)

Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jun 30 01:47:13 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jun 29 22:40:12 2011.

Yes, it affects kosher but it was passed primarily to show the voters that they are "tough on Islam" which is a popular thing to do in the Netherlands where those of the Muslim faith greatly outnumber Jews and where a minority of them have created problems (the Theo Van Gogh murder, etc).

As someone else said, the fact that it also affects observant Jews is a bonus to the Dutch right-wingers but it's mainly an anti-Islam measure.

If there was ever a valid reason to mention the wise but overused Niemoller statement, this is it.



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Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal)

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Jun 30 09:03:52 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Jun 29 16:58:50 2011.

Yuck Fou!!!

Sarge, we're talking about shechita, not Chinese food.

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Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal)

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Jun 30 09:05:25 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jun 29 21:09:19 2011.

This nonsense starts with things like San Francisco wanting to ban people from owning goldfish and balloon into this nonsense.

No it doesn't.

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Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal)

Posted by orange blossom special on Thu Jun 30 11:22:57 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jun 29 21:09:19 2011.

I think they should require training to own a goldfish instead of banning. :)

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Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal)

Posted by orange blossom special on Thu Jun 30 11:23:14 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Jun 30 09:05:25 2011.

proff?

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Re: Dutch Jews are Nervous (Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal)

Posted by orange blossom special on Thu Jun 30 11:24:40 2011, in response to Dutch Jews are Nervous (Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jun 29 15:12:38 2011.

"countryís Animal Rights Party"

I just want to scream from the rooftop! Someone give me a Glenn Beck style show and translate it for them! The stupidity!

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Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal)

Posted by orange blossom special on Thu Jun 30 11:27:29 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jun 29 21:05:03 2011.

I've been converting people to kosher apparently.
Being in America, it would be nice to have Saturadays be Saturday, but if you're a high school kid, good luck getting a summer job w/o them. Easier time wearing a burka.

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Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal)

Posted by orange blossom special on Thu Jun 30 11:28:57 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jun 29 23:46:56 2011.

If the Kosher laws in the one country is all you have to go by to claim it is not, I will protest. It gets worse in other nations. Let Europe finish their goal of trading the Jews for the other peoples of the Middle East and Africa.

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Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal)

Posted by orange blossom special on Thu Jun 30 11:30:47 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jun 29 13:23:33 2011.

Possibly, but sometimes the stupidity will copy something that is anti-Semitic. The party sounds radical leftist, which in europe means palestinian floatilla and goes up to nonsense that isn't even true. They're called useful idiots, but I'll bet she's a closet nazi from being brainwashed.

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Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal)

Posted by orange blossom special on Thu Jun 30 11:32:36 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 29 20:56:24 2011.

Even if no one goes, how about Europe partition a chunk off for a jewish state, and give us all reparations?

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Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal)

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jun 30 11:39:55 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by orange blossom special on Thu Jun 30 11:32:36 2011.

Good luck getting Mons Vaticans to agree to that.

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Re: Dutch Jews are Nervous (Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal)

Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jun 30 12:37:50 2011, in response to Re: Dutch Jews are Nervous (Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by orange blossom special on Thu Jun 30 11:24:40 2011.

Glenn Beck is cheering this law on.

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Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal)

Posted by Mitch45 on Thu Jun 30 14:16:43 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jun 29 23:46:56 2011.

Yes, seriously. I just want you to explain yourself for a change, with clear and cogent arguments, rather than just engage in hit and run tactics as you usually do.

So please proceed, if you can. Maybe you can convince me that you are right, that things are hunky-dory for the Jews in Europe.

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Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal)

Posted by Mitch45 on Thu Jun 30 14:17:41 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jun 29 23:46:15 2011.

Nobody has agreed with you.

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Re: Dutch Jews are Nervous (Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal)

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jun 30 16:33:51 2011, in response to Re: Dutch Jews are Nervous (Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by SMAZ on Thu Jun 30 12:37:50 2011.

It's OK to be antisemitic if you vote republican. In fact, it's encouraged. :(

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Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal)

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 30 21:05:07 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by orange blossom special on Thu Jun 30 11:32:36 2011.

The Federal Republic of Germany already paid reparations to the Jewish state.

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Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal)

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 30 21:19:42 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jun 29 15:05:58 2011.

THEY WILL NOT FORCE US
THEY WILL STOP DEGRADING US
THEY WILL NOT CONTROL US
WE WILL BE VICTORIOUS

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Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal)

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jun 30 21:23:30 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 30 21:05:07 2011.

Nullified by their non-stop propaganda against them.

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Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal)

Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jun 30 21:50:40 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 30 21:19:42 2011.

Go Ajax!!



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Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal)

Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jul 1 02:00:03 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 29 20:56:24 2011.

This appears to be an attack on meat eaters more than religion. Even here in America, groups like PETA and others are always fighting for animal rights, both kosher and non-kosher farms.

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Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal)

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 1 02:06:36 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jul 1 02:00:03 2011.

This appears to be an attack on meat eaters more than religion

Nope; not even close. It's not a ban on all slaughter. It's a ban on a certain type of slaughter.

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Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal)

Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jul 1 02:29:57 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 29 04:16:46 2011.

you are an amazing person Mr. Weight Loss.

Not going to use the word "Superstitious" anymore?

I'd link to some videos from both Kosher and non-Kosher slaughterhouses to make a point that most slaughterhouses are inhumane from birth to death but I won't.

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Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal)

Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jul 1 02:33:32 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 1 02:06:36 2011.

The animal rights groups don't care what religion is involved. They look at the procedure. They want the animals to be stunned first. Just like they insist upon in the making of fur.

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Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal)

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 1 02:35:53 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jul 1 02:33:32 2011.

No, it's not the same thing. This is specifically targeted; that's why they mentioned that it's ritual slaughter.

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Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal)

Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jul 1 02:36:40 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by JohnL on Wed Jun 29 13:48:24 2011.

But of course you would say that. I believe that cutting an animalís throat without it being stunned is inhumane, as clearly the legislators concerned do.

Especially animals of high intelligence like a pig. That's like slitting a dogs throat while it's conscious.


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Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal)

Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jul 1 02:37:10 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 29 20:59:37 2011.

what about "superstition"?

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Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal)

Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jul 1 02:46:54 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 1 02:35:53 2011.

This is specifically targeted; that's why they mentioned that it's ritual slaughter.


Well then Satanists will have a hard time getting away with their "rituals" too.

This is not about religion. It's about the treatment of animals. I'm sure that the same people fighting for these laws to be passed also want animals to be stunned in the making of fur.

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Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal)

Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jul 1 02:55:59 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 29 04:05:43 2011.

It's not this,

???

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Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal)

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 1 02:57:15 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jul 1 02:46:54 2011.

Well then Satanists will have a hard time getting away with their "rituals" too

Not if they stun their animals, they won't.

This is not about religion. It's about the treatment of animals

BS.



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Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal)

Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jul 1 03:05:03 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 1 02:57:15 2011.

animal rights groups wanting animals to be stunned first has nothing to do with religion. most animals are stunned first and the rights groups want all animals to be treated the same. that's what it's about to them. they can't understand why anyone would kill an animal this way.

do you really believe that the blood can't be removed if the animal is stunned before death?

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Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal)

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 1 03:08:27 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jul 1 03:05:03 2011.

No, the bill said "ritual slaughter". What are you missing? Banning Shechita means a repeat of the darkest chapters of European history.

"Animal rights groups" are always fringe and never mainstream. If a country starts to accommodate them for political gain, it means that country is turning evil and going back towards targeting people.

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Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal)

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jul 1 03:14:26 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 1 03:08:27 2011.

So you support Sharia after all ... congrats.

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Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal)

Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jul 1 03:17:34 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 1 03:08:27 2011.

I'm not missing anything. You're a little off on the goals of the animal rights groups, who most likely, are a bunch of atheists.

I have no problem with the animal being stunned first.

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