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Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia |
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Posted by Dave on Thu Jun 23 20:03:10 2011, in response to Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia, posted by Dave on Thu Jun 23 20:02:26 2011. And don't fly Delta. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jun 23 20:05:49 2011, in response to Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia, posted by Dave on Thu Jun 23 20:02:26 2011. Fine with me. I don't intend to ever go to Saudi Arabia and I really need not fly either airline. |
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Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Jun 23 20:06:00 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia, posted by Dave on Thu Jun 23 20:03:10 2011. IAWTP |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jun 23 20:07:29 2011, in response to Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia, posted by Dave on Thu Jun 23 20:02:26 2011. Sounds to me as though if that's what they want, then they should ONLY fly Saudis in America too and nobody else. I'm sure they'll do just fine serving exclusively that clientele. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jun 23 20:42:12 2011, in response to Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia, posted by Dave on Thu Jun 23 20:02:26 2011. Time to ban Delta from operating in the United States. |
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Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Jun 23 21:16:05 2011, in response to Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia, posted by Dave on Thu Jun 23 20:02:26 2011. How many Jews fly to Saudi Arabia anyway? No matter, bad Delta.your pal, Fred |
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Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jun 23 22:10:25 2011, in response to Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia, posted by Dave on Thu Jun 23 20:02:26 2011. No surprise.In 1991, my friend told me that his brother could not go to Saudi Arabia to help fight Iraq because he's Jewish. The Saudis and the US government worked out a deal which banned Jewish servicemen from entering their country. His brother was pissed too, because he was anxious to practice his tank driving skills in combat. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jun 23 22:11:16 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jun 23 22:10:25 2011. The Saudis and the US government worked out a deal which banned Jewish servicemen from entering their countryUS government was very strong on libs back then. |
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Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jun 23 22:21:06 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia, posted by SMAZ on Thu Jun 23 20:42:12 2011. Our own government agreed to similar terms in 1991. No Jews allowed in Saudi Arabia in exchange for setting up base there. |
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Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jun 23 22:25:20 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jun 23 22:21:06 2011. That doesn't make it right or justify now |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jun 23 22:31:01 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jun 23 22:11:16 2011. So then you're saying that Obama is much more conservative than Bush?THIS I gotta hear! :) |
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Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jun 23 22:33:12 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jun 23 22:25:20 2011. I know. But SMAZ is a legend at selective outrage.I'm just reminding him that he served in a war for a government that adhered to a very similar policy. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jun 23 22:56:29 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jun 23 22:33:12 2011. That he is. I was waiting for him to connect the fact that the Medford psycho-killer served in the army just like he did and we all know what smaz wants to see happen to people who don't agree with him. |
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Re: So Military Service Makes One Psycho |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Jun 24 00:02:24 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jun 23 22:56:29 2011. What branch was it you said you served in again? Oh right, you were fibbing...your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jun 24 00:56:05 2011, in response to Re: So Military Service Makes One Psycho, posted by Fred G on Fri Jun 24 00:02:24 2011. What gives, Fred W? |
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Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Jun 24 01:28:02 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jun 23 22:21:06 2011. George HW Bush of the House of Saud throwing Jews under the bus in favor of the interests of his fellow Saudi family members is no surprise but we no longer have bases there.Any carrier operating on US soil must respect the same non-discriminatory policies when it comes to public access and accommodations as all other for-profit businesses do. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jun 24 01:30:09 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia, posted by SMAZ on Fri Jun 24 01:28:02 2011. Apparently not if you're Delta. :( |
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Re: Train Dud Calls American Servicemembers a Bunch of Psychopaths |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Jun 24 01:31:42 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jun 23 22:56:29 2011. Great to know what human trash like you thinks of our current and former servicemembers. |
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Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Jun 24 01:33:00 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jun 23 22:33:12 2011. I went where they sent me.I wish Saddam had invaded Saudi Arabia before we got there and wiped out that entire sick culture. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Jun 24 03:30:35 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia, posted by Fred G on Thu Jun 23 21:16:05 2011. The number should be zero as a result of Saudi policies, but still not a good move by Delta (which does fly to TLV) IMO. |
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Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jun 24 03:39:45 2011, in response to Re: Train Dud Calls American Servicemembers a Bunch of Psychopaths, posted by SMAZ on Fri Jun 24 01:31:42 2011. You suddenly have become all servicemen? How many blanket parties are you trying to get thrown for yourself anyway?? |
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Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Jun 24 04:00:09 2011, in response to Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia, posted by Dave on Thu Jun 23 20:02:26 2011. Delta is now saying that this was a internet rumor, and that Delta does not discriminate yet has to uphold all visa regulations set by the governments of the countries it serves. In other words, no one without a valid Saudi Arabian visa can get on a plane to Saudi Arabia. This makes perfect sense, since airlines are required to take passengers who do not have valid visas back to where they came from on the first flight, even if it means bumping other passengers to do so. When I flew USAirways to Brazil, I had an email within hours of booking my ticket reminding me I'd be denied boarding without the proper visa, and they had a visa check at the gate podium and no one was allowed on board if their boarding pass didn't have a stamp indicating they had shown the appropriate documents to gate personnel.More at http://content.usatoday.com/communities/Religion/post/2011/06/delta-airlines-no-jews-saudi-arabia/1?csp=hf |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Jun 24 04:02:12 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jun 23 22:10:25 2011. In 1991, my friend told me that his brother could not go to Saudi Arabia to help fight Iraq because he's Jewish. The Saudis and the US government worked out a deal which banned Jewish servicemen from entering their country.That's a crock a shit. Either your friend lied or his brother did to him. There were plenty of Jewish soldiers in Saudi Arabia, including people in my unit. There were also Jewish chaplains. Your friend's brother probably had an embarrassing reason to not be sent to Saudi and that's the excuse he found to justify it. |
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Smaz wants US congressmen For not Agreeing With Him |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Jun 24 04:23:16 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jun 24 03:39:45 2011. smazzo sounds a bit psychotic in this post |
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Smaz wants US congressmen Murdered For not Agreeing With Him |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Jun 24 04:23:36 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jun 24 03:39:45 2011. smazzo sounds a bit psychotic in this post |
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Re: Smaz wants US congressmen For not Agreeing With Him |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jun 24 05:00:21 2011, in response to Smaz wants US congressmen For not Agreeing With Him, posted by Train Dude on Fri Jun 24 04:23:16 2011. Is that YOU, Brian? :)
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Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Jun 24 05:40:43 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jun 23 22:33:12 2011. >>>I know. But SMAZ is a legend at selective outrage. <<<Before you accuse someone of "selectuve outrage" try checking ou the mirror sale at Target. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Jun 24 05:46:45 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jun 23 22:33:12 2011. There's a lot of selective outrage here, believe me. There's a lot of selective morality too.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jun 24 06:45:26 2011, in response to Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia, posted by Dave on Thu Jun 23 20:02:26 2011. Ah yes, the 'Religion of peace" again. |
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Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jun 24 06:48:21 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Jun 24 04:00:09 2011. Makes total sense. Don't know why others didn't think this was the case all along. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jun 24 06:49:53 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia, posted by Fred G on Fri Jun 24 05:46:45 2011. +1 |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Jun 24 07:23:42 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Jun 24 03:30:35 2011. I meant it was something that wasn't desired anyway, like my dislike for black licorice and someone telling me I can't have any.your pal, Fred |
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Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jun 24 08:31:09 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Jun 24 04:00:09 2011. In other words, no one without a valid Saudi Arabian visa can get on a plane to Saudi Arabia.Exactly. This happens everywhere. No airline will let you on an international flight if they know you're going to be rejected at the far end. That's why you have to show your passport just to get on any international flight - you're allowed to leave the country without it, but if they know you'll just get sent back they don't want you on the plane in the first place. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Jun 24 08:55:50 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Jun 24 04:00:09 2011. What about the other stuff in the article? Are non-Islamic religious articles of faith banned? Does their Saudi Arabian Airlines partner ban Jews from flying? |
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Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Jun 24 09:42:30 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines, posted by AlM on Fri Jun 24 08:31:09 2011. IIRC, no one asked to see my passport before I got on an American Airlines flight from JFK to Budapest in early May (though I did have to show it to check my luggage). Same goes for boarding Malev at Budapest to go to Tel Aviv (though I did clear Hungarian passport control just before boarding the plane). US citizens are required to have tourist visas in advance of going to Brazil, so it is necessary to check for that flight, and when I flew to Rome and was staying there for more than 90 days, I wasn't allowed to check in online because the system wanted someone at the airport to verify that I had a visa allowing me to stay for as long as I planned to, but I think more often than not, I have not needed to show my passport/visa to get on an international flight. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Jun 24 09:44:13 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines, posted by Easy on Fri Jun 24 08:55:50 2011. I have no clue if non-Islamic religious articles are banned, and since I doubt the Saudi partner flies anywhere but Saudi Arabia, it is a practically moot point since few to no Jews would want to go to Saudi Arabia anyway.Imagine what would happen if El Al was in one of the big three airline alliances... |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jun 24 10:01:35 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Jun 24 09:42:30 2011. IIRC, no one asked to see my passport before I got on an American Airlines flight from JFK to Budapest in early MayI'm surprised. I can't even fly to Canada from LaGuardia without them insisting on seeing my passport multiple times. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Jun 24 10:12:54 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Jun 24 09:42:30 2011. Went i went to Cancun i had to show my passport a few times even as i was bording the plane to and from both places. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Jun 24 10:24:34 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines, posted by AlM on Fri Jun 24 10:01:35 2011. That's because they watch anyone who visits El Norteyour pal, Fred |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Jun 24 10:24:54 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines, posted by AlM on Fri Jun 24 10:01:35 2011. I just recall showing my boarding pass for that flight. Since Hungary (and Israel, my final destination) both allow US citizens to enter for up to 90 days without a visa in advance, there was no need to check for Hungary (though I had an 11 hour layover or so, so I did leave the airport). However, I was on a OW ticket so perhaps they would have wanted to see my Israeli work permit. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Jun 24 10:30:08 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Jun 24 09:44:13 2011. Interesting that you say that last part; El Al saw oneworld, SkyTeam, and Star Alliance all refuse El Al. The major reason for that is because El Al cannot offer any Middle Eastern route network to an alliance.More information. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Jun 24 10:31:27 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines, posted by AlM on Fri Jun 24 08:31:09 2011. The same also applies to land and sea travel. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jun 24 10:38:18 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines, posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Jun 24 10:31:27 2011. For land travel you don't show your passport to anyone before leaving the country - only on arriving in the neighboring country. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Jun 24 10:43:27 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines, posted by AlM on Fri Jun 24 10:38:18 2011. You can use it if you want to though. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Jun 24 11:07:42 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines, posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Jun 24 10:30:08 2011. I'm not sure if the alliances rejected LY or if it was the other way around, and I've never heard of this new EW alliance. But El Al has next to nothing to offer to any alliance. The only routes I can think of off the top of my head where it doesn't have any competition are Johannesburg and Los Angles, and perhaps some of its SE Asia routes. LY codeshares with AA and B6 but due to the FAA downgrade of the IAA, you can't buy a ticket for LY from the American carriers. The fact that US-TLV is a very lucrative market for any airline entering it (I'm not sure about from Europe but my guess is London-TLV and CDG-TLV do very well too) doesn't exactly give the airlines any reason to codeshare and reduce service to Israel either. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Jun 24 11:08:28 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines, posted by AlM on Fri Jun 24 10:38:18 2011. Depends on what land boarder you are crossing. The US is one of few countries to not have border controls upon exiting the country. |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Fri Jun 24 11:26:23 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jun 23 22:21:06 2011. Our own government agreed to similar terms in 1991. No Jews allowed in Saudi Arabia in exchange for setting up base there.Well, at least in practice, something changed after that "agreement in principle"... trust me on that one. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jun 24 11:35:11 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Jun 24 11:08:28 2011. Well, US, Canada, most of Europe. Of course areas of turmoil like the Middle East, and authoritarian countries, are different. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jun 24 11:37:14 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines, posted by Railman718 on Fri Jun 24 10:43:27 2011. Not really. You CANNOT use your passport on EXITING the US via land. There is no one there to ask you for it. Drive to Canada. The US booths are only on the inbound side. The first person to ask you who you are and why you're here is a Canadian official who decides whether you can ENTER Canada. |
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