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Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia |
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Posted by vfrt on Fri Jun 24 12:01:59 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jun 23 20:07:29 2011. A friend visited Saudi Arabia on business a few years ago. He said it was the worst trip of his life, made only worse by the 110 degree heat. He was told not to wear his crucifix, etc. The people there are staring to challenge the government but it's not an easy thing to do in the KSA. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Jun 24 12:03:45 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Jun 24 04:00:09 2011. Unfortunately, many people believe Internet rumors here, and since it's one that says that Delta is discriminating against Jews, it has gained some legs. |
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Posted by kahlua on Fri Jun 24 12:03:57 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines, posted by AlM on Fri Jun 24 11:37:14 2011. Have you ever crossed by rail? To board the Adirondack with a Canadian Destination you need to show Amtrak a passport of enhanced id... I have also been questioned by CBP leaving the country with a US Passport... |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Jun 24 12:10:20 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines, posted by kahlua on Fri Jun 24 12:03:57 2011. That is done because Amtrak does not want to be left holding the bag when someone is denied entry at the border. Greyhound does the same thing.On the issue at hand, I believe that Delta should file a lawsuit against any news outlet who made this claim, because they knew (or should have known) it was a misrepresentation and they chose to publish it anyway as news. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jun 24 12:16:47 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines, posted by kahlua on Fri Jun 24 12:03:57 2011. OK, thinking of car travel only. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jun 24 12:17:50 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines, posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Jun 24 12:10:20 2011. To prove libel against a public figure like Delta, you must prove malice. "Oops I didn't think about that" is a valid defense. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Fri Jun 24 12:22:25 2011, in response to Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia, posted by Dave on Thu Jun 23 20:02:26 2011. Meh. I've heard that many Israelis fly to Saudi Arabia on business and that the authorities look the other way.Its all about the Benjamins. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Jun 24 12:31:49 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines, posted by AlM on Fri Jun 24 12:17:50 2011. Delta needs to make sure that the standard gets changed; journalists are allowed to get away with insufficient fact checking. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jun 24 12:52:04 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines, posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Jun 24 12:31:49 2011. Right, Delta is going to change 50 years of Supreme Court precendents. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Jun 24 12:53:21 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines, posted by AlM on Fri Jun 24 12:52:04 2011. The precedents were set by some liberal holdovers from the Warren Court. |
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Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jun 24 12:54:26 2011, in response to Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia, posted by Dave on Thu Jun 23 20:02:26 2011. Terrapin Station climbs on Delta.I suspect he will again. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jun 24 12:58:24 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines, posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Jun 24 12:53:21 2011. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Times_Co._v._SullivanNo one has tried to challenge this in ages. It's a non-starter. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Fri Jun 24 12:58:50 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia, posted by Dave on Thu Jun 23 20:03:10 2011. Thanks for the addendum, because I wish you used another version of the article.Which states that Delta is acting as though it is obligated to ban Jews from flights, whereas this is a voluntary codesharing agreement. Shame, I liked Delta, and there aren't many options since they took over Northwest. Now what shall I do with my 2000 skymiles? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jun 24 13:00:27 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia, posted by orange blossom special on Fri Jun 24 12:58:50 2011. Friggin Delta. Didn't take them long to put CRJ's on their Tampa routes and use the A319 for other routes. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Jun 24 13:35:10 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines, posted by AlM on Fri Jun 24 12:58:24 2011. No case has gotten to the point where it would be decided. Delta should go ahead; it would scare the field of journalism straight. |
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Posted by Charles G on Fri Jun 24 13:46:12 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines, posted by AlM on Fri Jun 24 10:01:35 2011. I've flown Zurich to Paris on a number of occasions without having to show any identification at all. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Jun 24 13:47:54 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines, posted by Charles G on Fri Jun 24 13:46:12 2011. It is airline prerogative, but it also depends on the destination. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jun 24 13:48:19 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines, posted by AlM on Fri Jun 24 10:01:35 2011. in 2006 I flew Air Canada LGA to Montreal and I don't remember being bothered much. I didn't even use a passport. I used a driver's license and birth certificate. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Jun 24 13:49:28 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines, posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Jun 24 13:47:54 2011. As for the USA market, it's really an overblown issue. Delta would only be selling tickets for Saudi Arabian flights (only Saudi Arabian Airlines flies from the USA to Saudi Arabia). |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Jun 24 13:49:44 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jun 24 13:48:19 2011. The rules have changed since then. |
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Posted by Charles G on Fri Jun 24 13:50:34 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines, posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Jun 24 13:35:10 2011. Delta has, what, about enough profit to buy a few days worth of fuel and they're going to spend it on waging a Supreme Court case so that they can file a lawsuit against some journalists.So after millions of dollars in attorney's fees and probably a few years of making their way through the courts, suppose they actually win. What are the monetary damages that they can collect? |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Jun 24 13:52:58 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines, posted by Charles G on Fri Jun 24 13:50:34 2011. On this, I think that some organization such as the ACLU would wage this on Delta's behalf; the ACLU has more money than it knows what to do with. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jun 24 13:58:53 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines, posted by Charles G on Fri Jun 24 13:50:34 2011. +1 |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jun 24 13:59:18 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines, posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Jun 24 13:35:10 2011. Delta should go ahead No they shouldn't. Why are you giving them idiotic advice? |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Jun 24 14:04:24 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jun 24 13:59:18 2011. The ACLU can be enlisted to do the dirty work; they have over $300M available but a budget of only $15M per annum. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jun 24 14:06:41 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines, posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Jun 24 14:04:24 2011. Why would the ACLU care? Seriously. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Jun 24 14:10:09 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines, posted by AlM on Fri Jun 24 11:37:14 2011. You CANNOT use your passport on EXITING the US via land. There is no one there to ask you for it.I drove to Canada with Friends in 2000 im trying to remember if i shown anything... |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jun 24 14:45:08 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines, posted by Charles G on Fri Jun 24 13:50:34 2011. What are the monetary damages that they can collect?Yes, there is a strong case to be made that it is impossible to reduce the value of most airlines' reputations. :) |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Jun 24 14:47:28 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines, posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Jun 24 14:04:24 2011. Why would the ACLU side in a case weakening free speech of individuals and of the press? |
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Posted by Charles G on Fri Jun 24 15:11:49 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines, posted by AlM on Fri Jun 24 14:45:08 2011. Any news is good news -- just spell my name right!The press could claim that Delta owes them... |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Jun 24 15:20:07 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines, posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Jun 24 13:52:58 2011. On this, I think that some organization such as the ACLU would wage this on Delta's behalf; the ACLU has more money than it knows what to do with.I doubt the ACLU would be interested in siding against the press in a lawsuit. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Jun 24 15:30:22 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia, posted by vfrt on Fri Jun 24 12:01:59 2011. It's a shit country run by a shit family.I wish Saddam had taken it over in 1990. I wipe my ass with the Liberation of Kuwait Medal from Saudi Arabia that King Fahd awarded to us. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Fri Jun 24 16:12:14 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia, posted by SMAZ on Fri Jun 24 15:30:22 2011. I wish Saddam had taken it over in 1990.I find your ideas to be intriguing as I've had similar thoughts during my drunker moments. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Jun 24 16:20:12 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Fri Jun 24 16:12:14 2011. I find your ideas to be intriguing as I've had similar thoughts during my drunker moments.I only wipe my ass with King Fahd's medal when sober. I'm hahal. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jun 24 16:29:34 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines, posted by AlM on Fri Jun 24 10:01:35 2011. Yep ... Shrub decided it was part of yurp and because of his prior conviction, he wasn't allowed into Canada and therefore neither are we anymore. A passport IS required now for entry. It was our choice, Canada said, "whatever, eh." |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jun 24 16:33:29 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines, posted by Railman718 on Fri Jun 24 14:10:09 2011. 2000, no ... we did Montreal for New Years instead of staying here for Whytoque ... the rules came down later after Shrub wasn't moral enough to enter Canada and so now you need a passport or one of those spooky drivers licenses. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jun 24 16:38:26 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia, posted by vfrt on Fri Jun 24 12:01:59 2011. I know a few people who've gone over there as well who were less than impressed with how they were treated as well as the climate. But hey ... if you HAVE oil, then you get to do what you want. :-\ |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Jun 24 16:44:36 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines, posted by SMAZ on Fri Jun 24 14:47:28 2011. Weakening free speech?! How? |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Jun 24 18:15:40 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jun 24 16:33:29 2011. Beat me too it Kev talked to one of my friends and you are right. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jun 24 19:10:03 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines, posted by Railman718 on Fri Jun 24 18:15:40 2011. Sorry ... being right was bound to happen eventually ... law of averages, you see. :)Yeah, got our papers in order simply because the distance to there or NYC being about equal (bonus points for less traffic and insanity to the north) we choose Montreal more often ourselves. Fetchez la vache! Heh. |
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Posted by SilverFox on Fri Jun 24 21:18:05 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Jun 24 04:00:09 2011. Oh shit, and I just sent a nastily-worded e-mail to Delta customer relations telling them what a bunch of feckless cowards they were. Well, there goes my goodwill. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Fri Jun 24 21:35:07 2011, in response to Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia, posted by Dave on Thu Jun 23 20:02:26 2011. What I can't figure out is why anyone in their right mind would want to travel to Shitty Arabia.My blog |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jun 24 21:54:02 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines, posted by Charles G on Fri Jun 24 13:46:12 2011. But Switzerland and France are in a passport union. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jun 24 22:10:59 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines, posted by SilverFox on Fri Jun 24 21:18:05 2011. That's OK ... most companies these days still have a "retention department" who will probably send you candy in the form of some sort of freebie. :) |
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Posted by SilverFox on Fri Jun 24 23:40:16 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jun 24 22:10:59 2011. Yeah, except my candy will be an apology saying "Dear SilverFox, we're sorry you're such a gullible tool. Here's 15000 miles to go fly United." |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jun 24 23:49:38 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines, posted by SilverFox on Fri Jun 24 23:40:16 2011. Heh. If the ticket's good, USE it! :) |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jun 25 00:08:10 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Jun 24 03:30:35 2011. Delta, however, is only selling the tickets...not flying the plane. And it's because they don't want to transport anyone that they know they will have to take right back. |
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Posted by Charles G on Sat Jun 25 06:45:42 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jun 24 21:54:02 2011. They are in a passport union -- but no ID whatsoever?I check-in online from home or the office. Show my boarding pass at boarding pass control and also at the gate -- but nobody ever asks for ID. Going the other way, they usually ask to see ID at the gate in Paris. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Jun 25 09:53:28 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines, posted by Charles G on Sat Jun 25 06:45:42 2011. They are in a passport union -- but no ID whatsoever?The Swiss must figure that if you were up to no good they never would have let you into Switzerland in the first place. :) |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Sat Jun 25 10:23:03 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia, posted by Peter Rosa on Fri Jun 24 21:35:07 2011. The Women |
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