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Czech Republic using "phallometric tests" to check asylum seekers for "homosexuality" |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 17 23:11:24 2011 Now this is really bizarre. Checking the blood circulation in a man's penis when shown either gay or straight porn? Apparently, this was developed back in Communist Czechoslovakia, who actually outlawed homosexuality (take note, left-leaners).EU Observer
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue May 17 23:12:41 2011, in response to Czech Republic using "phallometric tests" to check asylum seekers for "homosexuality", posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 17 23:11:24 2011. Well...since there isn't a gene for homosexuality, how is this going to tell? |
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Posted by Easy on Tue May 17 23:20:27 2011, in response to Re: Czech Republic using ''phallometric tests'' to check asylum seekers for ''homosexuality'', posted by AMoreira81 on Tue May 17 23:12:41 2011. It sounds like they show them gay porn and see if they get a woody. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed May 18 00:08:06 2011, in response to Re: Czech Republic using ''phallometric tests'' to check asylum seekers for ''homosexuality'', posted by Easy on Tue May 17 23:20:27 2011. That could produce false positives. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed May 18 00:11:54 2011, in response to Re: Czech Republic using ''phallometric tests'' to check asylum seekers for ''homosexuality'', posted by AMoreira81 on Wed May 18 00:08:06 2011. Sure it can. ;) |
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Posted by JayMan on Wed May 18 00:24:58 2011, in response to Re: Czech Republic using ''phallometric tests'' to check asylum seekers for ''homosexuality'', posted by AMoreira81 on Tue May 17 23:12:41 2011. LOL! Good one. Believing that (at least, that it isn't heritable) is like believing in creationism at this point.Whoops, never mind... |
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Posted by JayMan on Wed May 18 00:25:19 2011, in response to Re: Czech Republic using ''phallometric tests'' to check asylum seekers for ''homosexuality'', posted by Easy on Wed May 18 00:11:54 2011. LOL! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 18 01:10:25 2011, in response to Re: Czech Republic using ''phallometric tests'' to check asylum seekers for ''homosexuality'', posted by JayMan on Wed May 18 00:24:58 2011. Never mind what? |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 18 08:32:11 2011, in response to Re: Czech Republic using ''phallometric tests'' to check asylum seekers for ''homosexuality'', posted by AMoreira81 on Tue May 17 23:12:41 2011. How did you arrive at the conclusion that "there isn't a gene for homosexual;ity"? Have you seen the numerous academic and medical studies on the heritability of sexual orientation, or its biological origins? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed May 18 10:00:47 2011, in response to Re: Czech Republic using ''phallometric tests'' to check asylum seekers for ''homosexuality'', posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 18 08:32:11 2011. Do you have the reverse, that there is a tangible gene for homosexuality? |
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Posted by JayMan on Wed May 18 10:14:35 2011, in response to Re: Czech Republic using ''phallometric tests'' to check asylum seekers for ''homosexuality'', posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed May 18 10:00:47 2011. There is abundant evidence that sexual orientation is heritable and in fact they may be a "gene" (or at least the may be found in once place): on the X-chromosome. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed May 18 10:19:04 2011, in response to Re: Czech Republic using ''phallometric tests'' to check asylum seekers for ''homosexuality'', posted by JayMan on Wed May 18 10:14:35 2011. It's all hearsay, that's the point, it's all hypothesis, theory, and educated guesses, no actual thing that can be pointed to.The point is they really don't know what causes it. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed May 18 10:33:35 2011, in response to Re: Czech Republic using ''phallometric tests'' to check asylum seekers for ''homosexuality'', posted by JayMan on Wed May 18 10:14:35 2011. Yeah, but both sides (gay and homophobes) can use that information to their advantage so it doesn't mean much to the greater debate or issue of acceptance. |
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Posted by JayMan on Wed May 18 11:03:42 2011, in response to Re: Czech Republic using ''phallometric tests'' to check asylum seekers for ''homosexuality'', posted by Easy on Wed May 18 10:33:35 2011. Yes, but for those who want to deny that there is no "gay gene" (while literally correct, doesn't mean that there isn't a genetic basis for sexual orientation), there is proof that they are wrong on that point. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed May 18 11:09:06 2011, in response to Re: Czech Republic using ''phallometric tests'' to check asylum seekers for ''homosexuality'', posted by JayMan on Wed May 18 11:03:42 2011. I guess. But there's a genetic basis for most everything so it doesn't really mean anything. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 18 11:22:18 2011, in response to Re: Czech Republic using ''phallometric tests'' to check asylum seekers for ''homosexuality'', posted by Easy on Wed May 18 11:09:06 2011. No proof of any "genetic basis" for a lot of stuff. That stuff came from eugenics anyhow, which JayThing appears to embrace, even though it was the cause of at least one world war, and the bloodiest in man's history. |
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Posted by JayMan on Wed May 18 11:28:34 2011, in response to Re: Czech Republic using ''phallometric tests'' to check asylum seekers for ''homosexuality'', posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 18 11:22:18 2011. No proof of any "genetic basis" for a lot of stuff.Wrong. That stuff came from eugenics anyhow, Wrong again. which JayThing appears to embrace I do embrace a form of eugenics. In this discussion however it's a great red herring. even though it was the cause of at least one world war, and the bloodiest in man's history. I wouldn't say eugenics was the cause of WWII, but the Nazis (and the U.S.) did embrace a form of forced eugenics, which of course is wrong. |
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Posted by JayMan on Wed May 18 11:31:55 2011, in response to Re: Czech Republic using ''phallometric tests'' to check asylum seekers for ''homosexuality'', posted by Easy on Wed May 18 11:09:06 2011. True, there is. Though I wouldn't say it doesn't mean anything. In fact, it means a great deal, something that I will discuss in length later. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed May 18 11:48:19 2011, in response to Re: Czech Republic using ''phallometric tests'' to check asylum seekers for ''homosexuality'', posted by JayMan on Wed May 18 11:31:55 2011. something that I will discuss in lengthThen I probably will skip over it. No offense. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed May 18 12:10:34 2011, in response to Re: Czech Republic using ''phallometric tests'' to check asylum seekers for ''homosexuality'', posted by AMoreira81 on Tue May 17 23:12:41 2011. What relavance does a gene have to do with measuring the blood circulation in a man's penis? The article made no mention of drawing blood to do any blood tests. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Wed May 18 12:10:53 2011, in response to Re: Czech Republic using ''phallometric tests'' to check asylum seekers for ''homosexuality'', posted by JayMan on Wed May 18 10:14:35 2011. So does that mean that homosexuality can be done away with via some kind of genetic manipulation? |
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Posted by Easy on Wed May 18 12:20:31 2011, in response to Re: Czech Republic using ''phallometric tests'' to check asylum seekers for ''homosexuality'', posted by Mitch45 on Wed May 18 12:10:53 2011. lol. Exactly. It could be argued that homosexuality could be "cured" just as any other genetic abnormality might be. That's why I say that it doesn't benefit one side or the other. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed May 18 12:29:26 2011, in response to Re: Czech Republic using ''phallometric tests'' to check asylum seekers for ''homosexuality'', posted by Easy on Wed May 18 12:20:31 2011. Good post, and that's exactly true. Proponents of this want to have the cake and eat it too, and you really can't. If there is a genetic ABNORMALITY (and yes that's what it would be) cause for this, it could be argued that homosexuality could be "cured", just as any other genetic ABNORMALTY potentially could be. I don't think that position would benefit them, as then it would be argued that homosexuality is a "medical condition". |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed May 18 12:31:08 2011, in response to Re: Czech Republic using ''phallometric tests'' to check asylum seekers for ''homosexuality'', posted by Easy on Wed May 18 12:20:31 2011. "It could be argued that homosexuality could be "cured" just as any other genetic abnormality might be."Do you agree with the above statement..Easy? |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed May 18 12:34:26 2011, in response to Re: Czech Republic using ''phallometric tests'' to check asylum seekers for ''homosexuality'', posted by Easy on Wed May 18 12:20:31 2011. It could be argued that homosexuality is nature's way of ensuring that gifted people aren't burdened by offspring.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by JayMan on Wed May 18 12:51:16 2011, in response to Re: Czech Republic using ''phallometric tests'' to check asylum seekers for ''homosexuality'', posted by Easy on Wed May 18 12:20:31 2011. But most (all?) genetic "abnormalities" cannot be "cured"; that's the rub... |
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Posted by JayMan on Wed May 18 12:53:23 2011, in response to Re: Czech Republic using ''phallometric tests'' to check asylum seekers for ''homosexuality'', posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed May 18 12:29:26 2011. homosexuality could be "cured", just as any other genetic ABNORMALTY potentially could be.Nope, can't do it. Not even with selective breeding since obviously gays already do their own version of that, and yet the trait persists... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed May 18 12:57:18 2011, in response to Re: Czech Republic using ''phallometric tests'' to check asylum seekers for ''homosexuality'', posted by JayMan on Wed May 18 12:53:23 2011. Nope, can't do it. Not even with selective breeding since obviously gays already do their own version of that, and yet the trait persists...I in NO way suggested it can be "cured". However, if there is a gene that is found to cause it, it can be considered a "condition", such as any other genetic "abnormality" would be. Once isolated, it can potentially be "cured". That was the point. But since there IS no known gene that causes it, this is not the case. It's not a "medical condition" in what is known about it. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed May 18 12:58:51 2011, in response to Re: Czech Republic using ''phallometric tests'' to check asylum seekers for ''homosexuality'', posted by streetcarman1 on Wed May 18 12:31:08 2011. How can he agree with it when there is no gene involved. Do you have a reading comprehension problem that made it difficult for you to understand about his response in response to the post he responded to. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed May 18 13:02:41 2011, in response to Re: Czech Republic using ''phallometric tests'' to check asylum seekers for ''homosexuality'', posted by JayMan on Wed May 18 12:51:16 2011. Correct, but he said "it could be argued". Once an actual gene is found, the potential exists that it could be "treated". That's the point. Just because we don't have a cure for some genetic "abnormalities", doesn't mean we won't be able to discover one.That said, when there is no actually tangible proof of what causes an abnormality (such as a gene or some other physical attribute), no "cure" can be found. As it exists, homosexuality is not a "medical condition" that could be treated or "cured", because there is no medical basis for it. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed May 18 13:04:51 2011, in response to Re: Czech Republic using ''phallometric tests'' to check asylum seekers for ''homosexuality'', posted by Fred G on Wed May 18 12:34:26 2011. In what way are all homosexuals "gifted", and that statement would also mean the opposite, that heterosexuals are not "gifted", which would be absurd. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 18 13:08:46 2011, in response to Re: Czech Republic using ''phallometric tests'' to check asylum seekers for ''homosexuality'', posted by Easy on Tue May 17 23:20:27 2011. That's not gonna work. Physical reactions are not predicated on orientation. A straight man can look at another nude man and become aroused even if he's not sexually excited about it. This sounds more like a test to deny as many refugees asylum as possible. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 18 13:10:17 2011, in response to Re: Czech Republic using ''phallometric tests'' to check asylum seekers for ''homosexuality'', posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 18 08:32:11 2011. None of them conclusively prove anything. There's no "gay gene" as of now and the concept of sexual orientation being strictly determined by biology is nothing but a theory. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 18 13:11:46 2011, in response to Re: Czech Republic using ''phallometric tests'' to check asylum seekers for ''homosexuality'', posted by Fred G on Wed May 18 12:34:26 2011.  Your argument is invalid. |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed May 18 13:15:37 2011, in response to Re: Czech Republic using ''phallometric tests'' to check asylum seekers for ''homosexuality'', posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed May 18 13:04:51 2011. It's simply a counterpoint to the argument that it's a condition that could be cured. Homosexuals are generally intelligent and educated, but that in itself isn't conclusive evidence to my statement. Lastly, I'm not 100% serious either but the more I think about it the more the idea might have merit.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed May 18 13:16:39 2011, in response to Re: Czech Republic using ''phallometric tests'' to check asylum seekers for ''homosexuality'', posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 18 13:08:46 2011. They slip in some androgynous femmy looking young males and anything could happen lol.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed May 18 13:18:57 2011, in response to Re: Czech Republic using ''phallometric tests'' to check asylum seekers for ''homosexuality'', posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 18 13:11:46 2011. If that's Andy Dick, he's announced that he's bisexual, so he's only fractionally gifted LOLyour pal, Fred |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 18 13:21:21 2011, in response to Re: Czech Republic using ''phallometric tests'' to check asylum seekers for ''homosexuality'', posted by JayMan on Wed May 18 12:53:23 2011. But it would be "curable" through direct genetic manipulation. However it would only work for creating embryos and its doubtful it would work on adults or even children. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed May 18 13:23:04 2011, in response to Re: Czech Republic using ''phallometric tests'' to check asylum seekers for ''homosexuality'', posted by Fred G on Wed May 18 13:15:37 2011. I didn't think you could be really serious...and then again, there's plenty Heterosexuals that are "intelligent and educated", so as you said, that can't be conclusive evidence. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed May 18 13:24:01 2011, in response to Re: Czech Republic using ''phallometric tests'' to check asylum seekers for ''homosexuality'', posted by Fred G on Wed May 18 13:18:57 2011. Yeah, he's A. Dick. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 18 13:25:02 2011, in response to Re: Czech Republic using ''phallometric tests'' to check asylum seekers for ''homosexuality'', posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed May 18 13:02:41 2011. Or mainly because unlike diseases it doesn't actually hurt anyone's survival. It's as much of a "disease" as skin color is a "disease" whereby some people have less pigment than others. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 18 13:28:29 2011, in response to Re: Czech Republic using ''phallometric tests'' to check asylum seekers for ''homosexuality'', posted by Easy on Wed May 18 11:48:19 2011. Exactly. Why sit through another argumentum ad verbosium that's probably wrong as usual? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed May 18 13:28:48 2011, in response to Re: Czech Republic using ''phallometric tests'' to check asylum seekers for ''homosexuality'', posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 18 13:25:02 2011. Or mainly because unlike diseases it doesn't actually hurt anyone's survival. It's as much of a "disease" as skin color is a "disease" whereby some people have less pigment than others.I agree to an extent, but that said, humans are "animals", and the basic drive of animals is survival AND Reproduction. Homosexuality thwarts reproduction chances, so it is against the basic survival/reproduction drive of animals, so it will always be a trait that lessens survival rate of the species. I am not saying that is bad or good, I am just saying it is what it is. Skin color does not go against survival of the species, as it does nothing to thwart survival or reproduction, so the two aren't entirely comparable. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 18 13:32:08 2011, in response to Re: Czech Republic using ''phallometric tests'' to check asylum seekers for ''homosexuality'', posted by Fred G on Wed May 18 13:18:57 2011. Bisexuality is the chink in the armor of the "gay gene" argument. I still think it's absurd to classify someone as strictly hetero or strictly homo. I think the "gay gene" thing appeals to our modern sense of same sex attraction. It given homosexuals an explanation for their status that absolves them of responsibility, and it gives heterosexuals an ironclad argument against them ever having to admit that they've had any sort of same sex attraction or activity in their lives. |
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Posted by JayMan on Wed May 18 13:38:16 2011, in response to Re: Czech Republic using ''phallometric tests'' to check asylum seekers for ''homosexuality'', posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed May 18 12:57:18 2011. There is not one gene, but as with most traits, it is polygeneic—several genes are involved. Some (all?) appear to be on the X-chromosome. So we know genes are involved, the question is which ones. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 18 13:38:49 2011, in response to Re: Czech Republic using ''phallometric tests'' to check asylum seekers for ''homosexuality'', posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 18 13:10:17 2011. That's not what a "theory" is. |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed May 18 13:39:05 2011, in response to Re: Czech Republic using ''phallometric tests'' to check asylum seekers for ''homosexuality'', posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 18 13:32:08 2011. I think sexuality happens in degrees and some are strongly hetero and some are strongly homo and the rest fall in the middle someplace. Some act on the same sex urge and some don't. The presence of adult chatrooms on places like AOL called "bi married male 4 bi married male" shows that there is more than meets the eye on this hetero/homo thing and that it's not so cut and dried.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by JayMan on Wed May 18 13:39:39 2011, in response to Re: Czech Republic using ''phallometric tests'' to check asylum seekers for ''homosexuality'', posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed May 18 13:04:51 2011. Homosexuals have a higher average IQ than straight people. |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed May 18 13:40:14 2011, in response to Re: Czech Republic using ''phallometric tests'' to check asylum seekers for ''homosexuality'', posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed May 18 13:24:01 2011. Haha, I'm sure that he considered that when picking that stage name, assuming that it is a stage name.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by JayMan on Wed May 18 13:42:50 2011, in response to Re: Czech Republic using ''phallometric tests'' to check asylum seekers for ''homosexuality'', posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 18 13:08:46 2011. Hmmm, I don't know about that. Male sexuality is far more straightforward than female sexuality: That's not a too distant analogy from the truth. Male sexual orientation can be reliably assessed that way. |
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