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Posted by SMAZ on Sun May 15 07:21:02 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 14 14:44:52 2011. It's why I'm happy that Obama took the step of only providing logistical support to the Libya operation and thus setting a precedent.We will no longer hold their water. Imagine if McCain had been President. Look how disturbingly giddy he is with that whole operation. He even visited the "rebels" in Benghazi. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun May 15 07:22:37 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by Train Dude on Sat May 14 16:46:42 2011. Their unemployed rate counts people that are underemployed.Ours is 16% by that measure just shy of Spain's. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun May 15 07:23:36 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 14 14:45:33 2011. Anything more = welfare. |
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Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America (not that it can't) |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun May 15 07:45:25 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America (not that it can't), posted by Train Dude on Fri May 13 08:55:44 2011. Jews should be assaulted by family members if the don't think in lockstep with other Jews.No, Jews should not be assaulted by family members because they don't think in lockstep with other Jews. They need to be assaulted by family members when they cavort with the anti-Semitic enemy. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun May 15 07:47:10 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America (not that it can't), posted by Fred G on Sat May 14 18:03:18 2011. HAHA!! |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun May 15 07:54:39 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by Train Dude on Sat May 14 20:01:57 2011. Real presidents kill the enemies of our people too instead of prancing around like clowns and invading the wrong country. Final score. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun May 15 08:32:20 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 14 21:15:07 2011. Let's make his head hurt some more.  
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 15 16:29:13 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by SMAZ on Sun May 15 07:22:37 2011. They also count those whose benefits have run out. Oh wait ... their benefits DON'T run out. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 15 16:41:09 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by SMAZ on Sun May 15 08:32:20 2011. Dammit! Get the boy something soothing quick before he blows a blood vessel!There ... whew! 
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun May 15 16:59:44 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by SMAZ on Sun May 15 07:23:36 2011. So? I have no problem with that. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun May 15 18:34:32 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 15 16:29:13 2011. They also count those whose benefits have run out. Oh wait ... their benefits DON'T run out.Actually they do run out, but yes, they still count them. One of the first things you do when you turn 16 if unemployed is to register with the unemployment office. It starts counting from there even though you are not collecting benefits. It's why you see those crazy numbers on youth unemployment in Europe even when its HS or college kids with no real intention of getting a full time job. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 15 18:41:15 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by SMAZ on Sun May 15 18:34:32 2011. Ah ... in some countries, there were benefits with the only limitation being that after a period of time you were still unemployed, they provided work for you in exchange for them. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun May 15 19:10:24 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 15 18:41:15 2011. Ah ... in some countries, there were benefits with the only limitation being that after a period of time you were still unemployed, they provided work for you in exchange for them.That's why you register with the unemployment office even if you're not really unemployed. The make-work jobs are based on seniority on the list. If there are 10 positions for some temporary dumb job (like crossing guard or something) they take the 10 qualified people who have been on it the longest. That means that even though a kid has no intention of working at 16, he may want that job at 19. By then he/she will have been on the list for 3 years and will beat the guy who has been on it for 2 1/2 with all other requirements being equal. the kicker is that if the job is in fact temporary, part-time or under-employment, the guy still statistically counts as unemployed. The jobless rate by the official US standard in places like France and Germany is probably less than 5%. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 15 19:30:32 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by SMAZ on Sun May 15 19:10:24 2011. Ya just gotta love these republican idjits and their world view. :)
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Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America (not that it can't) |
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Posted by JayMan on Sun May 15 21:51:54 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America (not that it can't), posted by SMAZ on Sat May 14 04:43:48 2011. The reason the work ethic may be more stoic in those Nordic countries is because of the weather.Work ethic is related to climate the same way IQ is related to climate: both generally increase as you go poleward, and both appear to do so for partly genetic reasons. Life in colder climates was more laborious as well as more cognitively demanding than in warmer climes. As such, winter dwellers evolved a greater propensity to work than their more tropical counterparts (since, it is always in an organism's best interest to work as little as it had to to get by). Italians have higher IQs than the Germans and English. Your own posts have pointed it out. The score that Richard Lynn initially obtained for Italy that he reported in IQ and the Wealth of Nations no doubt comes from northern Italy. His subsequent research has shown that within the country, there appears to be a decline of at least 5 IQ points as you from north to south. Southern Italians seem to have greater North African admixture, as do all Southern Europeans (~10% for the Portuguese, for example). The hotter the place, the more relaxed the pace of life is. It has to be. Yes, it also easier to work harder when it's cooler (which may have also contributed to differences in brain size as you go from equator to pole). You even see this WITHIN Italy when you compare the North and South and within the US when you compare the Northeast and Midwest with the South. The northern U.S. was settled primarily by the English, and then the Germans and Scandinavians (i.e., Germanic peoples), except the Northeast which has a significant Italian, Irish, and French presence.  The Southern U.S. was settled primarily by the Scotch-Irish. Scotland and Ireland today have lower average IQ's (and presumably a laxer work ethic) than their English neighbors (perhaps because of their isolation and because neither was colonized by the Romans—nor later the English—until relatively recently). I'm not so sure that it's been shown that American Whites that originate from different parts of Europe work equally hard when they live in the same climate. Even then, in a free and mobile country, a certain level of self-selection no doubt goes on that might tend to minimize the differences among whites in the same area that are of different nationalities. |
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Posted by JayMan on Sun May 15 22:06:35 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by SMAZ on Sat May 14 04:51:26 2011. The gross total of government spending per capita in most European countries is only slightly higher than in the US.The main difference is that instead of spending it on stuff like defense, they spend it on pre-K education, higher education, maternity leave and health care. So basically what you're saying is that the European (and the Canadians) benefit from having us being their defenders, and the American economy has a lot less to work with per capita because we have shouldered the lion's share of the burden of defending the free world. Not that this is necessarily a bad thing; if one had to choose what role one wanted to play in that alliance it's always best to be the one who has the biggest military; that gives you the most clout and is the most strategic position to take. But this is apparently a costly role leaving us with little money to spend domestically. |
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Posted by JayMan on Sun May 15 22:07:51 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by SMAZ on Sat May 14 04:56:57 2011. It's called the EITC.I meant something that actually does something meaningful.... |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun May 15 22:09:35 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by JayMan on Sun May 15 22:06:35 2011. He's not saying it but that is definitely the truth |
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Posted by JayMan on Sun May 15 22:11:25 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 14 20:07:06 2011. LOL! The one they want to say rolls off the tongue much easier.... |
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Posted by JayMan on Sun May 15 22:14:54 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by SMAZ on Sun May 15 19:10:24 2011. Interesting. And makes sense, considering. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun May 15 23:31:34 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America (not that it can't), posted by JayMan on Sun May 15 21:51:54 2011. LOL @ Broward County being so Italian.I knew that Lee County had Germans but didn't know that the surroundings counties do too. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun May 15 23:36:04 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America (not that it can't), posted by LuchAAA on Sun May 15 23:31:34 2011. They're all "Yanks" in their countries of national origin. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon May 16 18:31:02 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by JayMan on Sun May 15 22:06:35 2011. So basically what you're saying is that the European (and the Canadians) benefit from having us being their defenders, and the American economy has a lot less to work with per capita because we have shouldered the lion's share of the burden of defending the free world.Yes. Not that this is necessarily a bad thing; if one had to choose what role one wanted to play in that alliance it's always best to be the one who has the biggest military; that gives you the most clout and is the most strategic position to take. But this is apparently a costly role leaving us with little money to spend domestically. When they take away Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Pell Grants, farm subsidies, law enforcement, transportation, infrastructure and education funding so that we can defend even more countries, please don't forget to remind the rest of us about the prestige, clout and great strategy of it all while they laugh their asses off at us. They used to do that shit too. Then they finally realized what's actually important and it's not pointing at a map and saying "hey look, that's India and it's ours!". |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon May 16 18:58:24 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America (not that it can't), posted by JayMan on Sun May 15 21:51:54 2011. The score that Richard Lynn initially obtained for Italy that he reported in IQ and the Wealth of Nations no doubt comes from northern Italy. His subsequent research has shown that within the country, there appears to be a decline of at least 5 IQ points as you from north to south. Southern Italians seem to have greater North African admixture, as do all Southern Europeans (~10% for the Portuguese, for example).That hardly matters. That ranking doesn't distinguish between Bavaria or Thuringia nor Manchuria or Sichuan (or wherever China's Dumbfuckistan is) either. The fact remains that when it comes to IQ, no people on Earth exceed that of the residents of Italy except for those in five East Asian countries/entities. Your analysis about Northern and Southern Italy is also widely off the mark since the majority of African and Middle Eastern immigrants to Italy are concentrated in the North. Considering that immigrants are about 7.5% of the Italian population as a whole, they are probably more than twice that % in the north which makes the north much more genetically African than whatever latent genetic material Southerners may have from the Saracens of 700 years ago. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 16 19:03:11 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America (not that it can't), posted by SMAZ on Mon May 16 18:58:24 2011. China's Dumbfuckistan? I believe it's called "North Korea." :) |
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Posted by JayMan on Tue May 17 00:45:44 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America (not that it can't), posted by SMAZ on Mon May 16 18:58:24 2011. >>>>The score that Richard Lynn initially obtained for Italy that he reported in IQ and the Wealth of Nations no doubt comes from northern Italy. His subsequent research has shown that within the country, there appears to be a decline of at least 5 IQ points as you from north to south. Southern Italians seem to have greater North African admixture, as do all Southern Europeans (~10% for the Portuguese, for example).That hardly matters. I wouldn't say that, a mere 7 points in terms of average IQ seems to separate most continental Europeans and the Celts and their descendants in Appalachia, and we see how that works out (although a level of selection within country may have lowered their scores a bit).... The fact remains that when it comes to IQ, no people on Earth exceed that of the residents of Italy except for those in five East Asian countries/entities. I wouldn't say that either. It's safe to say that Italy as a whole is roughly comparable to the rest of Europe in IQ. Your analysis about Northern and Southern Italy is also widely off the mark since the majority of African and Middle Eastern immigrants to Italy are concentrated in the North. Considering that immigrants are about 7.5% of the Italian population as a whole, they are probably more than twice that % in the north which makes the north much more genetically African than whatever latent genetic material Southerners may have from the Saracens of 700 years ago. You're correct, upon looking into it I found that genetic analysis seems to indicate minimal admixture of North Africans in the south. That said, the people need not have North African admixture to score a few points lower in average IQ (as the Scots and Irish demonstrate). In any case, small differences in average IQ doesn't rule out larger differences in typical behavioral traits. Native Americans, and by extension Latinos, who have higher IQ's than American Blacks (~90 vs 85, respectively) still perform much more poorly than their IQ's alone would suggest (even considering mostly Mestizo Latinos like Mexicans, as opposed to more Mulatto ones of the Caribbean). |
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Posted by JayMan on Tue May 17 00:51:57 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work, posted by SMAZ on Mon May 16 18:31:02 2011. >>>>Not that this is necessarily a bad thing; if one had to choose what role one wanted to play in that alliance it's always best to be the one who has the biggest military; that gives you the most clout and is the most strategic position to take. But this is apparently a costly role leaving us with little money to spend domestically.When they take away Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Pell Grants, farm subsidies, law enforcement, transportation, infrastructure and education funding so that we can defend even more countries, please don't forget to remind the rest of us about the prestige, clout and great strategy of it all while they laugh their asses off at us. It's not necessarily a good thing either! :) It's a tight jam to be in considering how cash strapped we are, and while it creates problems for things like infrastructure, or the social safety net, long term it is less of a problem, especially in terms of education. American education is actually doing pretty good, relative to the rest of the world. More money would be available if we stopped wasting it on the futile effort to bring up the poor scorers and instead concentrated on the high-ability students. They used to do that shit too. Then they finally realized what's actually important and it's not pointing at a map and saying "hey look, that's India and it's ours!" That's true, but as you just pointed out, part of the reason they were able to do that is because they have outsourced most of their defense to us. |
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