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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Apr 30 10:25:19 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by AlM on Sat Apr 30 09:48:33 2011. Well, draft-dodging does seem to be something that pretty much everyone of a certain class and age did. Whilst the details of how an individual achieved it may be entertaining, they don't really signify very much. It's almost as stupid a thing to lie about as getting a joeblob from an intern. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Apr 30 10:27:29 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 09:11:41 2011. Yes, he did nothing illegal, and it wouldn't even matter if he had. The accusation is that he lied about it completely unnecessarily. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 10:29:09 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Apr 30 10:25:19 2011. Not everyone of that era dodged the draft. There wee more than 50,000 who died in Viet Nam & Cambodia because they didn't dodge the draft. As for getting oral sex from an intern, the issue wasn't lying about it. The issue was lying under oath. I can see where you might not appreciate the distinction, though. |
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Re: Trump's Latest Scandal HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CLINTON |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 10:29:52 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CLINTON, posted by AlM on Sat Apr 30 09:51:34 2011. Nice - cheap shot. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Apr 30 10:29:58 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by johnl on Sat Apr 30 07:22:36 2011. I don't know. Smoking pot in Oxford sounds pretty glorious to me! |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 10:30:17 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Apr 30 09:52:29 2011. Oh please - get over yourself. |
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Re: Trump Got A Medical Deferment |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 10:35:12 2011, in response to Re: Trump Got A Medical Deferment, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Apr 30 10:22:57 2011. ROTFLMFAOBYAAFAH |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Apr 30 10:36:44 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 10:29:09 2011. Not everyone of that era dodged the draft.Read what I wrote again. I said *nearly* everyone of a certain *class*. I know why that makes people uncomfortable, but it is true. As for getting oral sex from an intern, the issue wasn't lying about it. The issue was lying under oath. I can see where you might not appreciate the distinction, though. The answer under oath was merely economic with the actualité. The question asked, however, should not have been allowed to be asked in any legal context, as it violated President Clinton's right to a private life. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 10:36:52 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Apr 30 10:27:29 2011. You disqualified yourself from serious discussion when you demeaned the 100s of thousands of Americans who fought in South East Asia by saying that everyone of that era dodged the draft. YOU LIED. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Apr 30 10:43:56 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 10:36:52 2011. I did not say that. You deliberately misread what I actually wrote. YOU LIED. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 10:45:28 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Apr 30 10:43:56 2011. No the implication was clear. You are now parsing your words. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Apr 30 10:47:55 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Apr 30 10:25:19 2011. 90% of the country have no problem with what Trump did to avoid the draft. But the 10% who do are disproportionately the ones whose votes he's trying to get. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Apr 30 10:50:53 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by AlM on Sat Apr 30 10:47:55 2011. LOL!!your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 10:51:55 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by AlM on Sat Apr 30 10:47:55 2011. Well, I have no problem with the little error in his resume and I have no intention to vote for him... |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Apr 30 10:51:59 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 10:45:28 2011. Nope. The comment was restricted to a particular class. The word "class" was in my initial statement. Maybe you don't socialize in the right circles, or else you would know a large number of people who occupied themselves with PhD courses, became Quakers, and so on. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Apr 30 10:52:09 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 10:36:52 2011. "Well, draft-dodging does seem to be something that pretty much everyone of a certain class and age did. ""You disqualified yourself from serious discussion when you demeaned the 100s of thousands of Americans who fought in South East Asia by saying that everyone of that era dodged the draft. YOU LIED. " Huh? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 10:58:57 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Apr 30 10:51:59 2011. I realize that you are somewhat ignorant of the class system here compared to your quaint little island but when Americans go to war, regardless of class, they serve without class.Dwight Eisenhower was a General in the Army that helped to keep your country from becoming a German State. John F. Kennedy injured in a PT Boat Josepph Kennedy killed in action John Kerry served on a "swift" boat Jimmy Carter commanded a submarine John McCain was a prisoner of war in Viet Nam Need I go on? It's not like in your little isle where the royals put on a show with their cute little uniforms and pretend service. So let us not think of class like they do in your fairytale kingdom. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Apr 30 11:15:21 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 10:58:57 2011. Of those, only Kerry was of the class and age James was referring to:- Middle-class or well-to-do - Born 1940-1952 I very much admire Kerry for enlisting in the military and for volunteering for river patrol duty when he could have stayed on a ship off shore. But he was the exception. Very few people in the category above sought out military service. Most did whatever they legally could to avoid it. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 11:20:35 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by AlM on Sat Apr 30 11:15:21 2011. So you think that the Kennedy's sacrifices should be ignored because it was not the Viet Nam era? Do you think McCain's service should be excluded? Do you want or need a list of others in congress who served. Do you want a list of pro athletes who served during Viet Nam. Stop being such a leftist tool and learn to think for yourself. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Apr 30 11:29:23 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by AlM on Sat Apr 30 11:15:21 2011. Yes, and to be fair something changed between the generation before that and that one. Or maybe it was just the contrast of going to war against the Japanese — who had attacked the USA — and their allies, coupled of course with a generally warm attitude toward Britain, and a hopeless war against guerillas in some pissant country that few had heard of.But this social attitude has continued since then. Michael Moore was very irritating when he went around asking Congressmen whether their sons had signed up to go to Iraq, but the social attitude he was trying to get at is the same. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Apr 30 11:38:32 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 11:20:35 2011. Vietnam was a very particular situation. Like it or not, it either changed social attitudes, or highlighted ones that had already changed. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 11:42:59 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Apr 30 11:38:32 2011. You know nothing of what you speak. Many prominent Americans and future prominent Americans fought in South East Asia. It was not for show like your "royals'!! |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Apr 30 12:23:13 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 11:20:35 2011. I don't think Kennedy's or McCain's sacrifices should be ignored. They just aren't relevant to the point James was making or to your responses to his point. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 12:27:58 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by AlM on Sat Apr 30 12:23:13 2011. I thought his name was John but okay. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Apr 30 13:40:25 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by Dand124 on Fri Apr 29 22:52:04 2011. yep |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Apr 30 13:43:47 2011, in response to Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by SMAZ on Fri Apr 29 22:46:40 2011. Since 1992, this is no longer an issue. Sorry, you can't attack someone for something you defended another from years ago. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Apr 30 13:47:02 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Apr 30 13:43:47 2011. It's not the the dodging but the lie about it.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Apr 30 13:51:03 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by Fred G on Sat Apr 30 13:47:02 2011. Yeah, the GOP tried that in 1992 and it went nowhere. Next argument. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Apr 30 14:14:27 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Apr 30 13:51:03 2011. You don't get it. It's about his lying not the draft dodging.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Apr 30 14:41:37 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Apr 30 13:43:47 2011. It's potentially not an issue for most democrats but what about republicans? Trump may run for the republican nomination not the democratic one. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Apr 30 14:43:54 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by Easy on Sat Apr 30 14:41:37 2011. Trump is NOT a Republican.Trump's danger is as an independent. He won't win a single GOP primary. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Apr 30 15:26:45 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by johnl on Sat Apr 30 07:22:36 2011. Heh. Pesky facts ... pesky, pesky. :)So 2012 is here already, we're all on helium rebreathers already and I still don't have my tickets to the "new world ark." Heh. Glad this election will be over with soon. |
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Posted by TonyG on Sat Apr 30 15:28:01 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Apr 30 15:26:45 2011. November 2012 can't come soon enough. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Apr 30 15:31:42 2011, in response to Re: Trump Got A Medical Deferment, posted by Fred G on Sat Apr 30 09:12:59 2011. With that hair, and now this, we want to see his ID card ... no, his OTHER ID card ...
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Apr 30 15:32:47 2011, in response to Re: Trump Got A Medical Deferment, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Apr 30 15:31:42 2011. ...and the one for that thing on his head. |
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Re: Trump's Latest Scandal HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CLINTON |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Apr 30 15:34:40 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CLINTON, posted by Fred G on Sat Apr 30 09:33:29 2011. Not to mention that were it not for the previous shithead and the party of shitheads and their failure to carry out the most simple duties of their oaths of office, we wouldn't be IN the mess we are to begin with. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Apr 30 15:35:41 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CLINTON, posted by AlM on Sat Apr 30 09:51:34 2011. Amusing ... it seems as though the republicans have actually CHOSEN Trump as their lord and savior ... heh. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Apr 30 15:38:55 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Apr 30 10:36:44 2011. Only republicans are entitled to "a private life." |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Apr 30 15:41:18 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by AlM on Sat Apr 30 10:52:09 2011. Wasn't what he wanted to hear ... you either think what Steve WANTS you to think, or suffer the consequences. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Apr 30 15:44:40 2011, in response to Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by SMAZ on Fri Apr 29 22:46:40 2011. In addition to this, Trump will have problems with the fact that all items in his merchandising line are imported from China, used eminent domain to ruin lives, no track record in politics, and probably twenty other strikes against him. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Apr 30 15:45:51 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Apr 30 15:38:55 2011. IAWTP |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Apr 30 15:48:34 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CLINTON, posted by Fred G on Sat Apr 30 09:14:17 2011.  This isn't about Trump's lying. He obviously did. This is about hypocritically attacking him for something Clinton did 19 years ago and for which the MSM claimed "didn't matter". Why do lefties continue to harp on Trump? He's not a conservative, he's not a Republican, tearing him apart only makes us happy. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Apr 30 15:52:20 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CLINTON, posted by Fred G on Sat Apr 30 09:33:29 2011.  It's not logical to blame the past president more than the current presidents for current problems. Some Republicans blamed Clinton administration policies for 9/11, and your kind didn't hesitate to shoot them down. Bush was President, it was HIS fault. If you made some sort of attempt to coordinate your attacks to avoid outright hypocrisy, perhaps it wouldn't be so easy for MY kind to bait you. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Apr 30 15:53:52 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Apr 30 14:43:54 2011. He was leading all candidates among republican voters. You need to get your house in order. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Apr 30 15:57:43 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Apr 30 14:43:54 2011. Heh. You don't see it, do you?If Trump DOES run as an indie, there go all your teabaggers. :) |
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Re: Trump's Latest Scandal HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CLINTON |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Apr 30 16:03:46 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CLINTON, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Apr 30 15:52:20 2011. You're not baiting anyone; you're viewed as one of the dumbest posters here.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Apr 30 16:04:12 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by TonyG on Sat Apr 30 15:28:01 2011. I'm kinda enjoying all this myself. The mainstream republican party is making themselves look loonier than libertarians. If they keep this up, I suspect they'll get fewer votes than the communist party. Heh. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Apr 30 16:05:52 2011, in response to Re: Trump Got A Medical Deferment, posted by bingbong on Sat Apr 30 15:32:47 2011. That's probably his propulsion system. Trump? UFO's? Hmmm ...
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Re: Trump's Latest Scandal HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CLINTON |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Apr 30 16:08:17 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CLINTON, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Apr 30 15:48:34 2011. And who, pray tell, do you think is "working the crowd" with all these stories? This (ahem) "news" ain't coming from the left ... |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Apr 30 16:25:17 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CLINTON, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Apr 30 16:08:17 2011. Bullshit. It's all coming from the left. |
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