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Re: Ann Coulter: They Blinded Us With Science

Posted by AlM on Sun Mar 27 17:55:08 2011, in response to Re: Ann Coulter: They Blinded Us With Science, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Mar 27 14:02:54 2011.

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Do you actually believe that radiation in moderate quantities is good for you?

To support Ann Coulter here, it's not enough to say that you aren't sure that small amounts of radiation are bad. She made a much stronger statement than that and claimed that scientific studies support her.



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Re: Ann Coulter: They Blinded Us With Science

Posted by AlM on Sun Mar 27 18:24:36 2011, in response to Ann Coulter: They Blinded Us With Science, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Mar 27 08:13:48 2011.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/29/science/earth/29brenner.html?hpw

Here's a very good interview with a middle-of-the-road scientist who doesn't believe that Fukushima Daiichi will have major consequences for public health.

But:

Dr. Brenner, director of the Center for Radiological Research at Columbia University — the oldest and largest such center in the world — found himself called on repeatedly to explain what was happening with the failed reactors and to assess the radiation risk to public health, both in Japan and around the world.

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He thinks CT scanners and the people who use them need more regulation to make sure the scans are medically needed and the doses of radiation as low as possible. He believes that even low doses increase the risk of cancer, and that there is no “safe” level or threshold below which the risk does not rise — even if that risk cannot be measured statistically.


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Re: Ann Coulter: They Blinded Us With Science

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 27 18:29:37 2011, in response to Ann Coulter: They Blinded Us With Science, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Mar 27 08:13:48 2011.

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tl;dr

Fact still remains that "beneficial radiation" for cancer treatment depends on KILLING cells. That's why the radiation applied is so carefully focused and controlled because they only want to kill certain cells. A blanket statement from that that radiation is somehow "good" for you is absolute shaman voodoo. The "benefit" is in KILLING. The application of radiation to biological entities doesn't IMPROVE anything other than the side-effect of killing cells you don't want to have living.

And so she's back now trying to defend her theory? Wowsers.

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Re: Ann Coulter: They Blinded Us With Science

Posted by cortelyounext on Sun Mar 27 18:34:38 2011, in response to Re: Ann Coulter: They Blinded Us With Science, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 27 18:29:37 2011.

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That dude makes Angle look like, uh, hold up a second. Let me think about that one and I'll get back to you.

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Re: Ann Coulter: They Blinded Us With Science

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 27 18:37:00 2011, in response to Re: Ann Coulter: They Blinded Us With Science, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 27 17:39:28 2011.

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He's not. When has he called for merging church and state??

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Re: Ann Coulter: They Blinded Us With Science

Posted by AlM on Sun Mar 27 18:45:57 2011, in response to Re: Ann Coulter: They Blinded Us With Science, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 27 18:29:37 2011.

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True story.

My brother-in-law's father visited his doctor and asked: why are you prescribing this stuff for me? I've looked it up and it's a dangerous carcinogen.

The doctor said, yes you're right but what do you care, if you don't take it you'll be dead in a few weeks.

Even the focused radiation is only good for you in the short run. it can keep you alive but it increases your long term chances of some other cancer later.


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Re: Ann Coulter: They Blinded Us With Science

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 27 18:46:41 2011, in response to Re: Ann Coulter: They Blinded Us With Science, posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Mar 27 16:02:54 2011.

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Stop making stuff up, then.

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Re: Ann Coulter: They Blinded Us With Science

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 27 18:47:43 2011, in response to Re: Ann Coulter: They Blinded Us With Science, posted by AlM on Sun Mar 27 18:45:57 2011.

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I still think Coulter should be on a plane to Fukushima, wrestle that reactor to the ground and lassoo it. :)

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Re: Ann Coulter: They Blinded Us With Science

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 27 18:48:26 2011, in response to Re: Ann Coulter: They Blinded Us With Science, posted by RockParkMan on Sun Mar 27 13:46:22 2011.

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LOL . . . you're a poster child for the Nineteen Eighty-Four slogans.



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Re: Ann Coulter: They Blinded Us With Science

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 27 18:59:55 2011, in response to Re: Ann Coulter: They Blinded Us With Science, posted by AlM on Sun Mar 27 17:55:08 2011.

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Do you actually believe that radiation in moderate quantities is good for you?

What kind of radiation? Plain old electromagnetic radiation? Light is part of that spectrum.

You haven't been following the story, I guess. This is about levels of ionizing radiation above certain government-proscribed levels, and what certain scientific authorities have said about them.

To support Ann Coulter here, it's not enough to say that you aren't sure that small amounts of radiation are bad. She made a much stronger statement than that and claimed that scientific studies support her

Where did she say that?

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Re: Ann Coulter: They Blinded Us With Science

Posted by RockParkMan on Sun Mar 27 19:08:00 2011, in response to Re: Ann Coulter: They Blinded Us With Science, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 27 18:48:26 2011.

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suck me off, loser.

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Re: Ann Coulter: They Blinded Us With Science

Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Mar 27 21:31:18 2011, in response to Re: Ann Coulter: They Blinded Us With Science, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 27 18:46:41 2011.

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I am not. Except for about 12 months from 2009-2010, no party has had a filibuster-proof majority since 1978.

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Re: Ann Coulter: They Blinded Us With Science

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Mar 27 21:46:52 2011, in response to Re: Ann Coulter: They Blinded Us With Science, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 27 18:29:37 2011.

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When I threw my back out once upon a time, I got put on ACR duty--that is, I ran around the city collecting ACRs from "participating provider" hospitals, those hospitals that operate ambulances in NYC's 911 system. I got to know the staff at several of these hospitals pretty well, and I met a fellow who had similarly been put on "light" duty. Turned out he was a radiologist, and he walked me through the film-badge procedure. After a certain amount of time taking X-rays or CT scans, radiology department employees have to do something else, away from their department for a while. Those rems and rads do add up. The scrutiny DOH and the city put on portable X-ray machines in particular, and the OSHA rules governing their use are very, very stringent.

But Coulter can keep right on spouting her mythology. Uranium is her friend.

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Re: Ann Coulter: They Blinded Us With Science

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 27 22:00:18 2011, in response to Re: Ann Coulter: They Blinded Us With Science, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Mar 27 21:46:52 2011.

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I learned more than I ever wanted to know about both nuclear power plants while at the PSC, and more than I ever wanted to know about the realities of nuclear war with NBC fire training. So I'm aware of the absolute bullshit from the media over Fukushima and what it all really means and what a real nasty scenario is like. What's going on over there is really bad, but not as bad (so far) as the media is making it out to be. And in the worst case scenario of a bomb falling somewhere, I'll either pray for being a distance away from it on a really muggy awful summer day as opposed to a crisp, cold day in January or with a front row seat right under it. :)

Coulter is a total idiot, but then again no surprise there. :(

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Re: Ann Coulter: They Blinded Us With Science

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Mar 27 22:09:07 2011, in response to Re: Ann Coulter: They Blinded Us With Science, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 27 22:00:18 2011.

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The FDNY NBC training course in a quick summary: Pull away from the scene. Stick out your thumb. If your thumb does not cover the entire scene, you're too close. (Also known as Chief Downey's Rule Of Thumb.)

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Re: Ann Coulter: They Blinded Us With Science

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 27 22:11:30 2011, in response to Re: Ann Coulter: They Blinded Us With Science, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Mar 27 22:09:07 2011.

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Heh. I remember that! :)

They taught that up here too. I imagine it's universal now ...

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Re: Ann Coulter: They Blinded Us With Science

Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Mar 27 22:50:26 2011, in response to Re: Ann Coulter: They Blinded Us With Science, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 27 22:00:18 2011.

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I learned more than I ever wanted to know about both nuclear power plants while at the PSC

Uh huh.


and more than I ever wanted to know about the realities of nuclear war with NBC fire training

Yeah, sure.


So I'm aware of the absolute bullshit from the media over Fukushima and what it all really means and what a real nasty scenario is like

Sure you are.

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Re: Ann Coulter: They Blinded Us With Science

Posted by Dand124 on Sun Mar 27 22:59:19 2011, in response to Re: Ann Coulter: They Blinded Us With Science, posted by Dand124 on Sun Mar 27 13:48:44 2011.

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bump

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Re: Ann Coulter: They Blinded Us With Science

Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Mar 27 23:08:26 2011, in response to Re: Ann Coulter: They Blinded Us With Science, posted by Dand124 on Sun Mar 27 22:59:19 2011.

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+1

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Re: Ann Coulter: They Blinded Us With Science

Posted by Fred G on Mon Mar 28 04:51:31 2011, in response to Re: Ann Coulter: They Blinded Us With Science, posted by R30A on Sun Mar 27 11:29:52 2011.

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They both ring true.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Ann Coulter: They Blinded Us With Science

Posted by Fred G on Mon Mar 28 07:01:25 2011, in response to Re: Ann Coulter: They Blinded Us With Science, posted by cortelyounext on Sun Mar 27 18:34:38 2011.

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+1 for the intermission. I'm kinda thirsty myself.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Ann Coulter: They Blinded Us With Science

Posted by dand124 on Wed Oct 5 21:34:22 2011, in response to Re: Ann Coulter: They Blinded Us With Science, posted by Dand124 on Sun Mar 27 13:48:44 2011.

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bump

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Re: Ann Coulter: They Blinded Us With Science

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Oct 5 21:47:30 2011, in response to Re: Ann Coulter: They Blinded Us With Science, posted by dand124 on Wed Oct 5 21:34:22 2011.

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What did you want to draw attention to?

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Re: Ann Coulter: They Blinded Us With Science

Posted by DAnd124 on Sun Jan 22 15:45:38 2012, in response to Re: Ann Coulter: They Blinded Us With Science, posted by Dand124 on Sun Mar 27 13:48:44 2011.

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when will you admit you're wrong?

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Re: Ann Coulter: They Blinded Us With Science

Posted by dand124 on Sun Jun 3 10:04:24 2012, in response to Re: Ann Coulter: They Blinded Us With Science, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Mar 27 12:40:09 2011.

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here it is

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Re: Ann Coulter: They Blinded Us With Science

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 3 14:21:15 2012, in response to Re: Ann Coulter: They Blinded Us With Science, posted by dand124 on Sun Jun 3 10:04:24 2012.

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Has something suddenly changed or is JayZee still wrong?

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Re: Ann Coulter: They Blinded Us With Science

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 3 15:55:14 2012, in response to Re: Ann Coulter: They Blinded Us With Science, posted by dand124 on Sun Jun 3 10:04:24 2012.

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Excellent. Thanks.

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