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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Feb 3 14:53:12 2011 After months of huffing and puffing, the GOP comes out with there budget cuts plan. Wait for it now . . . a cut of 2 -- count it, 2 - percent over this year's budget.GOP scales back budget cut goals I thought Obama was destroying America by increasing spending. So the solution is a cut of 2%? I guess the GOP must be socialists too. 
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Posted by JayMan on Thu Feb 3 14:58:24 2011, in response to GOP Budget Cuts - What was that all about?, posted by italianstallion on Thu Feb 3 14:53:12 2011. For all the political posturing by both parties, no one is willing the cut the real big ticket items, namely Defense, Social Security, Medicare to name a few... |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Feb 3 15:36:49 2011, in response to GOP Budget Cuts - What was that all about?, posted by italianstallion on Thu Feb 3 14:53:12 2011. At least the amount is going DOWN. Not radically UP as it has since 2009. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Feb 3 15:37:12 2011, in response to Re: GOP Budget Cuts - What was that all about?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Feb 3 15:36:49 2011. Uh-huh. |
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Posted by phxtusbusfan on Thu Feb 3 15:37:46 2011, in response to Re: GOP Budget Cuts - What was that all about?, posted by JayMan on Thu Feb 3 14:58:24 2011. However, they are willing to cut Amtrak, funding for local transit agencies, and all sorts of infrastructure related funding. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Feb 3 15:40:02 2011, in response to Re: GOP Budget Cuts - What was that all about?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Feb 3 15:36:49 2011. Basically, the GOP "cut" amounts to a rounding error. |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Feb 3 16:50:43 2011, in response to Re: GOP Budget Cuts - What was that all about?, posted by phxtusbusfan on Thu Feb 3 15:37:46 2011. Cuts like that are going to do actual harm. Why don't they eliminate some of the programs the Pentagon doesn't want first? |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Feb 3 17:05:09 2011, in response to GOP Budget Cuts - What was that all about?, posted by italianstallion on Thu Feb 3 14:53:12 2011. It's less than one third of what they ran on. Bunch of liars, now we're stuck with them for 2 years. What more have they lied about to get into office? |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Feb 3 17:09:52 2011, in response to GOP Budget Cuts - What was that all about?, posted by italianstallion on Thu Feb 3 14:53:12 2011. Hey, they could take that $32 billion and cut a $104.23 tax rebate check for every man, woman, and child in the United States! |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Thu Feb 3 18:01:30 2011, in response to GOP Budget Cuts - What was that all about?, posted by italianstallion on Thu Feb 3 14:53:12 2011. Or its Ronald Reaganism coming back!Obama is trying to be like him right? |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Feb 3 18:52:11 2011, in response to Re: GOP Budget Cuts - What was that all about?, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Thu Feb 3 18:01:30 2011. Not really.Did you know Reagan raised taxes? http://www.forbes.com/2010/02/02/barack-obama-ronald-reagan-budget-taxes-opinions-contributors-rob-shapiro.html |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Thu Feb 3 19:09:56 2011, in response to Re: GOP Budget Cuts - What was that all about?, posted by italianstallion on Thu Feb 3 18:52:11 2011. Oh so when he passed the Bush cuts in December he was being like ............... |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Feb 3 22:29:54 2011, in response to GOP Budget Cuts - What was that all about?, posted by italianstallion on Thu Feb 3 14:53:12 2011. hahahaha!!Didn't I tell everyone that I couldn't wait for their budget. And they came up with this puny figure knowing that these cuts will be whittled down even further as the process goes on. As if they would actually want to face the voters with cuts in education, veterans programs, defense and agriculture. Hey Teabaggers, is this what you voted for? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 3 22:41:23 2011, in response to Re: GOP Budget Cuts - What was that all about?, posted by SMAZ on Thu Feb 3 22:29:54 2011. 
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 3 22:46:28 2011, in response to Re: GOP Budget Cuts - What was that all about?, posted by JayMan on Thu Feb 3 14:58:24 2011. What about Medicaid? That should be slashed dramatically. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 3 22:47:42 2011, in response to GOP Budget Cuts - What was that all about?, posted by italianstallion on Thu Feb 3 14:53:12 2011. A 2% cut, plus the rate of inflation means a real cut of about 4%, which isn't bad. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 3 22:54:53 2011, in response to Re: GOP Budget Cuts - What was that all about?, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 3 22:46:28 2011. Nah ... better to slash the taxpayer subsidy of inheritances ... tax it the same as income. Problem solved. :) |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Feb 3 22:59:02 2011, in response to Re: GOP Budget Cuts - What was that all about?, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 3 22:47:42 2011. LOL!your pal, Fred |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 3 23:04:14 2011, in response to Re: GOP Budget Cuts - What was that all about?, posted by Fred G on Thu Feb 3 22:59:02 2011. It's not bad. I don't think anyone expects a 20% decrease. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Feb 3 23:08:30 2011, in response to Re: GOP Budget Cuts - What was that all about?, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 3 22:47:42 2011. I knew the GOPers wouldn't follow thru on their own rhetoric. Too toxic with the voters.Now where will the Tea Partiers go? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 3 23:10:45 2011, in response to Re: GOP Budget Cuts - What was that all about?, posted by italianstallion on Thu Feb 3 23:08:30 2011. So why didn't Obama raise taxes? Even I was for a small increase. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Feb 4 00:51:49 2011, in response to Re: GOP Budget Cuts - What was that all about?, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 3 22:46:28 2011. Yeah and all the hospitals and nursing homes in the countries close and millions are laid off prompting a dramatic drop in tax revenues further increasing the deficit and guaranteeing national bankruptcy.Medicaid is structural to the economy just like defense spending. It's a job program for hospitals, nursing homes, pharmacies and doctors. Just like food stamps and school lunches are for the farm and grocer industries. Nobody gives a shit about the poor people. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Feb 4 00:54:25 2011, in response to Re: GOP Budget Cuts - What was that all about?, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 3 22:47:42 2011. It's a 2% "cut" on only a small sliver of the overall budget. The rest is untouched.This is a joke. And this is only their broad blueprint. Wait until appropriations when the cut becomes 0.5%. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 4 00:54:39 2011, in response to Re: GOP Budget Cuts - What was that all about?, posted by SMAZ on Fri Feb 4 00:51:49 2011. It's the ABUSE! The abuse is killing the system. You know that. |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Fri Feb 4 01:06:17 2011, in response to Re: GOP Budget Cuts - What was that all about?, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 4 00:54:39 2011. I'd say that the abuse is a small fraction of Medicaid. IIRC, the vast majority of Medicaid users are people in nursing homes that aren't really abusing the system. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 4 01:07:44 2011, in response to Re: GOP Budget Cuts - What was that all about?, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Fri Feb 4 01:06:17 2011. I think that's Medicare, not Medicaid.Either way, the small fraction is unacceptable. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Feb 4 01:13:54 2011, in response to Re: GOP Budget Cuts - What was that all about?, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 4 00:54:39 2011. There is abuse in the defense contracting system too but it provides jobs and keeps manufacturing and corporate profits going. That's all that matters. Especially when unemployment is high.Medicaid probably produces even more jobs than the defense industry and those industries are just as powerful within both parties. The 90's GOP Congress also greatly expanded it when it ceased to be a welfare program. Why do you think that even the GOP hardly raised a peep over the Medicaid expansion within ObamaCare. They were pissed over other parts of it but not that part. Medicaid is a sacred cow. |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Fri Feb 4 01:21:33 2011, in response to Re: GOP Budget Cuts - What was that all about?, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 4 01:07:44 2011. I don't disagree with you. There are a ton of successful scammers every day. However, it's not fair to classify them as the majority or use them as justification to end the whole program. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Feb 4 01:27:00 2011, in response to Re: GOP Budget Cuts - What was that all about?, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 4 01:07:44 2011. Nope. Almost all long-term nursing home and hospice care is Medicaid.Just about every nursing home in the country would shut down if Medicaid were substantially slashed. It's why a chunk of the Stimulus money went to prop up State Medicaid systems. Of all those millions of jobs that were saved by the stimulus, a great majority of them were health care and nursing home private sector jobs. Unemployment in Florida, Nevada and Arizona and other "old people places" would have surpassed 20% had it not been for the Medicaid Rescue (aka the ARRA). The only Governor in the country who had the balls to cut Medicaid was Matt Blunt of Missouri in 2005. He was run out of office. He didn't even bother to run for re-election. The Democrat ended up getting over 60% of the vote. Even that State's GOP realized they had made a terrible mistake and they campaigned on reversing the cuts. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 4 01:31:22 2011, in response to Re: GOP Budget Cuts - What was that all about?, posted by SMAZ on Fri Feb 4 01:27:00 2011. When my grandmother was in the hospital last year, it was Medicare who paid for it. They paid for the hospital visit, rehab, wheelchair, walker, etc..........I remember dealing with Medicare. That's how I learned about the different parts. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 4 01:33:40 2011, in response to Re: GOP Budget Cuts - What was that all about?, posted by SMAZ on Fri Feb 4 01:27:00 2011. btw- Did you have lots of toys and video games as a kid? |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Feb 4 01:35:20 2011, in response to Re: GOP Budget Cuts - What was that all about?, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 4 01:31:22 2011. Medicare Part A (Hospital Insurance Trust Fund) and long-term nursing home care (or even at-home care) under Medicaid are different things. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 4 01:40:28 2011, in response to Re: GOP Budget Cuts - What was that all about?, posted by SMAZ on Fri Feb 4 01:35:20 2011. I can't remember if it was part B or C but Medicare would have paid for the home-care too. My grandmother is 94. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Feb 4 01:40:28 2011, in response to Re: GOP Budget Cuts - What was that all about?, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 4 01:33:40 2011. I had some some but I wasn't much into toys. Video games came later and it was lame Atari shit.I was like Anthony, Richie and Tatiana. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 4 01:40:28 2011, in response to Re: GOP Budget Cuts - What was that all about?, posted by SMAZ on Fri Feb 4 01:35:20 2011. I can't remember if it was part B or C but Medicare would have paid for the home-care too. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 4 01:41:58 2011, in response to Re: GOP Budget Cuts - What was that all about?, posted by SMAZ on Fri Feb 4 01:40:28 2011. Oh. So you had Atari.Did you get high scores on those citywide reading tests? Remember those? 4th grade was "gates" year. You had to pass the reading test in 4th grade. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Feb 4 01:43:34 2011, in response to Re: GOP Budget Cuts - What was that all about?, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 4 01:41:58 2011. In 4th grade, I read at a 6th grade level. Same in math. I don't remember what the scores were. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 4 01:46:04 2011, in response to Re: GOP Budget Cuts - What was that all about?, posted by SMAZ on Fri Feb 4 01:43:34 2011. That's high. I think 7th was the highest you could obtain in 4th grade. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 4 02:22:19 2011, in response to Re: GOP Budget Cuts - What was that all about?, posted by SMAZ on Fri Feb 4 01:43:34 2011. I was so bad, that at dinner when my cup was empty I would just bang it on the table asking for more. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 4 07:18:35 2011, in response to Re: GOP Budget Cuts - What was that all about?, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 4 01:40:28 2011. He's talking about the home care that is transitional to nursing home care; that is, it's the final one, not just post-hospitalization care.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Feb 4 08:13:46 2011, in response to Re: GOP Budget Cuts - What was that all about?, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 3 22:47:42 2011. A 2% cut, plus the rate of inflation means a real cut of about 4%, which isn't bad. |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Feb 4 10:08:36 2011, in response to Re: GOP Budget Cuts - What was that all about?, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 4 01:07:44 2011. Medicare does NOT cover long term care. Medicaid does...after one surrenders all they own (but their home) to the nursing home and the funds are exhausted. |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Feb 4 10:15:14 2011, in response to Re: GOP Budget Cuts - What was that all about?, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 3 23:04:14 2011. Teabaggers do. Or let's say they do, until they find out the nursing home is coming after them to the tune of $10K month for a parent's care. Or that their kid can't stay away at college because they lost their student aid money. Or that their kids and grandkids are moving into their trailer because the son-in-law lost his maintenance job for the town due to elimination of federal aid to localities and the locals won't raise taxes to make up the difference.... the possibilities go on and on.Reminisce about the "good old days" all you want..... rest assured, taxes were higher than. |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Feb 4 10:20:58 2011, in response to Re: GOP Budget Cuts - What was that all about?, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 3 23:10:45 2011. Teabaggers. Faux news, Lardmouth and others would have seized on that and they'd still be talking it up. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Feb 4 10:54:31 2011, in response to Re: GOP Budget Cuts - What was that all about?, posted by bingbong on Fri Feb 4 10:20:58 2011. So your uber-liberal president has no moral conviction? I'm suprised that you cheese-eaters liberals aren't trying to take credit for the uptick in the economy since the "obama" tax cuts that he was for after he was against them. |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Fri Feb 4 11:58:55 2011, in response to Re: GOP Budget Cuts - What was that all about?, posted by Train Dude on Fri Feb 4 10:54:31 2011. He's hardly "uber-liberal." FDR was "uber-liberal" Obama isn't. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Feb 4 12:24:13 2011, in response to Re: GOP Budget Cuts - What was that all about?, posted by bingbong on Fri Feb 4 10:08:36 2011. If you are married and one of you needs nursing home care, you can keep your home, car, and $110K.But if you need nursing home care and aren't married, I don't think you get to keep your home. You have to sell it to pay for the nursing home care. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Feb 4 12:26:00 2011, in response to Re: GOP Budget Cuts - What was that all about?, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 3 23:10:45 2011. Um, Congress did, slightly. They must have been listening to you. Look at you 2010 tax form. There's something called Schedule M, "Making Work Pay". It's gone in 2011. |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Feb 4 12:35:11 2011, in response to Re: GOP Budget Cuts - What was that all about?, posted by AlM on Fri Feb 4 12:24:13 2011. They changed that in the mid 90s. You can keep your home, married, widowed or single. Of course, you have to have family empty out and sell its contents, as that's the *only* asset you get to keep. Nor are any assets permitted for maintenance or taxes, so they don't make it all that easy to keep. All you get to keep for income are SS benefits, minus Medicare (still covers hospitalization, chronic care and some rehab that Medicaid does not) premiums. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Feb 4 12:47:36 2011, in response to Re: GOP Budget Cuts - What was that all about?, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 3 23:10:45 2011. That was replaced by a FICA cut of 2% which is even bigger. |
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