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Posted by Easy on Mon Mar 8 18:07:04 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 8 17:56:34 2010. They sound like they don't exclude anyone although they do exclude people marching for other causes unrelated to St. Patrick's Day. That was my point.Maybe a more similar example would be if a MLK Jr Day Parade excluded black gay groups. I'm trying to remember if there is a black gay group that marches in the LA Kingdom Day Parade and I think that there might be. Not positive though. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 8 18:07:24 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 8 18:06:04 2010. What if they gave out shamrock shakes? Would that make a difference? :) |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Mar 8 18:08:07 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 8 18:06:04 2010. You people have your own parade. You must welcome his people since I never hear any complaints. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 8 18:08:24 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 8 17:59:05 2010. 1. St. Pat's For All is a "legit parade". It's recognized as such by the City Of New York, the issuer of permits.2. How am I being a "radical troublemaker" by marching in a parade (with City Council Speaker Quinn, no less) organized by others, on a public street in my own borough? 3. "My ilk"? Quinn isn't "pandering" to me, and neither are the two other gay Councilmembers who joined us. On the contrary, they are among the parade's biggest supporters, as is Queens Borough President Helen Marshall, who wants this parade to stay in Queens. 4. NY1 decides on its own what events in NYC are newsworthy. No one forces them (or any of the other news media) to cover the parade. 5. The use of St. Patrick's ("St.Pat's") name in the Parade--For All--is perfectly correct. It's an inclusive celenbration of Irish heritage and New York City's patron. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Mon Mar 8 18:12:38 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 8 17:58:21 2010. How long in advance does the ILGO or any group have to apply for marching during the St Patrick's Day Parade? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 8 18:14:56 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 8 18:08:24 2010. Feh ... turn it into a tea party event and not only will you guys and gals be "in" ... Luch will approve too! :)
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Posted by daDouce Man on Mon Mar 8 18:16:03 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 8 18:07:24 2010. If I have to get a shamrock shake, I'd prefer to get it at White Castle instead of McDonald's. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 8 18:16:50 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 8 18:02:44 2010. I seriously beg to differ with you here. I marched in the parade yesterday, dressed very conservatively (pics coming), and even handed out flyers inviting paradegoers to tomorrow's celebration of Irish culture at City Hall. No political banners. No shamrock-and-rainbow flags. Oh, and I was invited by Speaker quinn's office to march with her contingent.If I am "what is wrong with NYC", then so, too, is Speaker Quinn, Councilmembers Dromm, Mendez, and Van Bramer, and oh, yes, most of the City Council's operations staff. I'd rather live in such a "wrong" city, than the NYC you'd force upon us if you could. You'd put people of "my ilk" in prison for homosexuality, wouldn't you? Your continuing, rabid, ad hominem attacks are both degrading and insulting. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Mon Mar 8 18:17:42 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 8 17:49:53 2010. But the difference is that straight people are not marching under a banner that says "Straight White Male Organization". Anyone can march but groups are not segregated or represented by sexual orientation one way or the other.I believe in absolute equality so if straight males are not parading under a sexual orientation classification then neither should gay males parade under their sexual orientation classification. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 8 18:18:26 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by daDouce Man on Mon Mar 8 18:16:03 2010. I'll roll my own with Creme de menthe, thank ya. :) |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 8 18:21:13 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 8 18:14:56 2010. I thought that WAS Luch...LOL! Like anti-gay California Sen. Ashford, recently busted for DWI leaving a gay bar in Pasadena, sometimes the most rabid homophobes are in the darkest closets.Note to Luch: The Supreme Court has ruled that suggesting someone might be secretly gay is not libelous or defamatory. You can't sue me for my above remarks...LOL! |
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Posted by Dave on Mon Mar 8 18:24:17 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 8 17:30:25 2010. Hoot, mon! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 8 18:25:55 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 8 18:21:13 2010. In a way, I can find a way to agree with those who don't want banners and such ... but then I've been IN those parades, and there's plenty of banners (or at least were) ... only reason I'm not interested in the parade anymore is that you're not allowed to get all likkered up for it anymore. Part of the fun of the old fashioned parades was ducking in and out of bars all morning. You know how reporters can be. :) |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 8 18:26:28 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 8 17:30:25 2010. As a teenager, when you discover you're gay, and the "well-adjusted" boys in your class discover this, too (by your carriage or speech, whatever) you learn real fast how to fight dirty. Heh. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 8 18:26:57 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by Dave on Mon Mar 8 18:24:17 2010. Achh, Aye! :)
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 8 18:27:39 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 8 18:26:28 2010. Same for when they THINK you are. :) |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 8 18:28:06 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 8 18:25:55 2010. I've heard that the St. Patrick's Day pub crawl in NYC was legendary. Jimmy Breslin nailed it when he called St. Patrick's Day the "official two-day bender of NYC". |
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Even GAYS march in St. Pat's IN IRELAND! |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 18:28:13 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 8 17:05:43 2010. "You people have your own fucking parades, but you won't rest until you keep fucking with the St.Patrick's Day parade. Fucking crazy. "WHAT'S IS REALLY CRAZY...IS THAT LUCHIE DOES NOT GET IT AND NEVER FUCKING WILL....EVEN IN THE MOTHERLAND.....IRELAND...FOR GOD'S..GAYS ARE ALLOWED TO MARCH AND NO ONE GIVES A CRAPOLA...NOT EVEN THE POPE CARES....SO WHAT GIVES? MAYBE THEY SHOULD HAVE A SPECIAL PARADE FOR MORONS LIKE LUCHIE SO HE CAN WAVE HIS FLAG....ONLY ME! AND ONLY MY KIND....OK...FOLKS...SO WHERE IS OLOG-HAI?...HEY LITTLE MAN...SO..NOW...IS LUCHIE NOT RACIST???? OMG..DID I MAKE A FUNNY HERE?..LOL...I MEAN OLOGIA....WHO IS REALLY RACIST AGAINST CERTAIN GROUPS NOW....LOL....WELL...BIG MAN!...LOL |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 8 18:28:56 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 8 18:27:39 2010. Very true. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 18:29:25 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 8 17:15:17 2010. "and your repeated use of the F-word in reference to this inclusive parade, is disturbing."THAT'S BECAUSE LUCHIE IS DISTURBED....TO SAY THE LEAST..HE'S A MEATHEAD AND A MENTALCASE ALL IN ONE...LOL |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 8 18:29:50 2010, in response to Even GAYS march in St. Pat's IN IRELAND!, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 18:28:13 2010. The "St. Pat's For Bigots" parade? LOL! Just for Luch! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 18:30:22 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 8 17:26:52 2010. Why would you even want to be involved in a church parade that doesn't want you to be there? that's what I don't get. I religious organization is not a democracy. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 18:30:41 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 8 17:23:39 2010. "No. The fact that NYC has to have a separate parade to pander to YOU is disturbing."Pander? if the AOH would allow all groups in the parades...there would not be a need for a separate parade...get it...MEATHEAD |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 8 18:31:22 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 8 18:28:06 2010. Breslin was a really cool guy many years ago. Same for Auletta before he turned stupid. But yeah, used to be a LOT of fun ... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 18:31:23 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 8 17:40:25 2010. Al Sharpton's parade isn't run by a religious institution.And if the "reverend" Al Sharpton didn't want "me" in his parade, I wouldn't care, or want to be involved in it anyway. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 18:32:38 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 8 17:59:05 2010. "Then drop the fucking St. Pat's part and just have a "Parade for all" if that's how you really feel.You just want to fuck around and be a radical troublemaker and get all excited because politicians have to pander to your ilk and show up at such parades, while ny1 has to cover it like it's a legit parade. " Is that why the NYPD are allow on the laert then for roudy people who travel miles just to get trashed? is that the true meaning of the parade to honor a saint....but by getting trashed? |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 8 18:33:06 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 8 18:31:22 2010. The years have taken their toll... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 8 18:34:08 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 8 18:33:06 2010. Boy howdy on that! :( |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 8 18:35:42 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 18:32:38 2010. Cosign! I recall a couple of years ago, riding the E train home with a whole gaggle of sloshed paradegoers, complete with shamrocks and those green plastic hats. They got so loud, even the teenagers from Jamaica wouldn't have it.Just a wee bit o' Bushmill's... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 18:36:13 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 8 17:02:18 2010. Heh, that's like that clown thing in Coney Island's steeplchase park in the 1930's that used to blow up women's dresses, and all the guys would hang out there... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 18:38:27 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by Easy on Mon Mar 8 17:16:15 2010. Gays can march in the parade, but not under the Gay-Lesbian banner. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Mar 8 18:39:07 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 18:38:27 2010. Yes the OP was very misleading. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 8 18:39:18 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 18:36:13 2010. It amuses me to no end what folks can get themselves worked up over. :) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 18:39:50 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by Easy on Mon Mar 8 17:33:02 2010. Ding ding ding ding. I think he's got it. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 18:42:05 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 8 17:49:53 2010. Irish heritage is not exclusively heterosexual, and the AOH will not let ANY group march in their parade which identifies itself as gay or lesbian The "straight" people marching in the parade are not marching "identifying itself as heterosexual", why do gays feel they have to march in the parade "identifying as gay or lesbian"? It's not a political parade. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 8 18:42:16 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by Easy on Mon Mar 8 18:39:07 2010. No it wasn't. The link I mprovided in the OP spells out the story quite clearly. Gays are NOT permitted to march as gays in the AOH parade. As long as you are not OUT and PROUD in their parade, you may march. Marching incognito is to deny your own heritages as both gay and Irish. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 8 18:43:45 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by Easy on Mon Mar 8 17:33:02 2010. St. Patrick's Day is about Irish heritage. However, if you're gay AND Irish, the AOH doesn't want you celebrating THAT in THEIR parade. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 18:44:05 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by Easy on Mon Mar 8 18:08:07 2010. You don't see "straight" groups trying to sign up to march in the gay parade to disrupt it and politicize their event, so I don't understand the need to march in this parade. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 18:45:19 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 8 18:06:04 2010. And I don't get this whole thing. The rest of the St Patricks Day parade isn't marching holding banners, "Irish Heterosexuals for St Patricks", why does there need to be "Irish gays for St Patricks" there? |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 8 18:45:47 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 18:42:05 2010. It's not a "political parade". However, gays and lesbians of Irish descent are a vital part of Irish history, and deserve to be able to celebrate that. Even the Irish in Ireland permit gays to march openly in their parades. Why should NYC be different? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 18:48:28 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 8 18:39:18 2010. The sad thing is though that if that same clown would be at a Coney Island amusement park today, with a wind that blew up dresses (for arguments sake, assume women still wear dresses), the place would be shut down within days for sexual harassment. And we say we have "progressed" so much..... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 18:50:55 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 8 18:43:45 2010. But the parade isn't about sexuality. They aren't "celebrating" that they are heterosexual in the parade, why does there need to be a part that is "celebrating" being homosexual? The parade is not about sexuality. Gays are allowed to march in the parade, just not under the banner of the Gay and Lesbian group. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 8 18:51:22 2010, in response to St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 8 16:58:48 2010. Yesterday, I marched in the St. Pat's For All Parade in Sunnyside, Queens. The parade, now in its 11th year, is an all-inclusive parade honoring St. Patrick as the patron of New York City. St. Pat's For All was organized in response to the Ancient Order Of Hibernians' continuing policy of not permitting gays and lesbians to march in their parade on Fifth Avenue. The AOH parade is the only annual parade in NYC which specifically excludes a group of New Yorkers.Freedom is awesome. You have your parade, the AOH has theirs. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 18:52:33 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 8 18:42:16 2010. The rest of the parade isn't marching as being "hetero and Irish", why should there be a part that's marching as "gay and irish"? How about just marching as being IRISH. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 18:52:46 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 8 18:08:24 2010. Don't mind Luchie...he's just having his USUAL brain FARTING!..lol he never get it...and I am waiting for this guy to show up and anounce RACISIM from Luchie:THE OLOG-HAI..HIMSELF....lol 
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Posted by docstox on Mon Mar 8 18:54:01 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 18:48:28 2010. I remember the Funhouse at the old Palisades Amusement Park that had a hole in the floor that blew compressed air right up the ladies skirts back in the late 50's-early 60's.We would stand there for at least a half hour listening to the screeches and laughing at the stunned, surprised expressions of the unfortunate women caught in the trap!No way anything like that would exist today, I think.The feminists would drag out the air operator and beat him to death, LOL! Then again, I'd have the same chance of seeing a woman in a dress today as finding an Indian Head cent in circulation! Sorry all you young guys missed out.HA HA! |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 18:54:19 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 18:52:46 2010. Correct picture of the OLOG-HAI:
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 18:54:28 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 8 18:45:47 2010. NYC is not "Ireland". What they do has no baring on what some group does here.And I don't think most people think of being "Irish" in terms of being gay irish or hetero Irish, most people just think about being IRISH. Are you Irish by the way? |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 8 18:55:10 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 18:44:05 2010. Actually, a great many straight groups can and do march in the annual Heritage Of Pride March down Fifth Avenue each June. Among these are the VFW, the NYPD Band, the FDNY, the PFLAG (Parents And Friends of Lesbians And Gays), 1199, and the TWU (!). In addition, major corporations such as Delta Airlines, AVIS, Coca-Cola, and Bank Of America send large contingents to march in this, the largest LGBT parade in the world.The Pride March has always been a political parade, held to raise public awareness of LGBT issues, celebrate our pride in our community, culture, and our notable public figures present (like me...LOL) and past, and commemorate the Stonewall Rebellion, which began the modern gay-rights movement in 1969. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 18:56:07 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 8 18:55:10 2010. The Pride March has always been a political parade, held to raise public awareness of LGBT issues, celebrate our pride in our community, culture, and our notable public figures presentAnd the St Patricks day parade IS NOT. |
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