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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Mar 8 12:44:46 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 12:25:55 2010. That's not the issue. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 12:46:48 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 12:07:13 2010. "No, since heterosexual behavior, in marriage, is not considered immoral by the church."So...what about the question concerning CONTRACEPTION and extramarital affairs.....what next??? I mean....you really HAVE TO COVER those bases...lol...YES...you do..it's ONLY FAIR....Jesus would have wanted it that way...FAIRNESS! |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 12:49:00 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 8 12:07:27 2010. "Catholic schools no public funding."SINCE WHEN? ...DUDE...YOU HAVE NO CLUE AT THIS POINT....GO GOOGLE IT BEFORE YOU SHIT IN YOUR UNDIES AGAIN! When I went to Catholic school...the State of New York paid for OUR textbooks...and they paid for other things as well...and they still do in 2010....stop smoking the CATNIP! |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 12:50:34 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 12:12:23 2010. YEA....I did...they STAMP the INSIDE OF THE BOOKS that we received and WHO they belonged to....so start pooping now...ChrisR16...you lost the battle here... |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 12:54:04 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 8 12:14:08 2010. "Why do you think my kid goes to Catholic school? To be free from the very system I saw destroy child after child that my mother taught for 20+ years."What system is that? are you saying that when you pay your school tax...you are basically throwing your money in the TOILET THEN>? Chrisie? lol I went to Catholic school for 8 years and then 4 years of public high school...my high school was ranked always in the top tiers of all public schools in the nation...if you want to throw public school education under the bus cause you gave up on it...well..that's your deal...my friend...sad case though! |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 13:00:39 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 8 12:43:18 2010. "If you support women priests, gay marriage or abortion, you are NOT Catholic. You cannot be Catholic. That you are not being actively run out of the Church is not tantamount to acceptance of your sins by Catholic Church authorities."Hmmmm..so now you are saying that that nice guy...you know him...ChrisR16....Rudolph William Louis "Rudy" Giuliani...is a SAINT? or any other Catholic POLITICAN...are they NOT Roman Catholic then? how about mr. BIDEN? is he NOT Catholic enough? |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Mar 8 13:03:10 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Mar 8 12:09:24 2010. I think that the answers to your questions are no and no. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 13:06:05 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 12:34:53 2010. "I was responding to a comment that said "Why would Jesus have it one way for some, and not for others. Was he playing favorites."That has nothing to do with what you said. " And what does the statement below mean to a straight couple? are they ever NOT sinners? or a single mom? or a single dad? who is to say???? However, the Archdiocese of Denver did issue this statement: "To preserve the mission of our schools, and to respect the faith of wider Catholic community, we expect all families who enroll students to live in accord with Catholic teaching. Parents living in open discord with Catholic teaching in areas of faith and morals unfortunately choose by their actions to disqualify their children from enrollment." Raderstorf said it seems there's a double standard. "I don't think they interview to see what parents are divorced or what parents are using birth control or other things that are against the teaching of the Catholic Church," she said. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Mar 8 13:14:05 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 8 11:23:55 2010. Yeah, this is silly. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 13:24:20 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by Easy on Mon Mar 8 13:14:05 2010. "Yeah, this is silly."Why? ChrisR16 is not Catholic but yet he send his kid to Catholic school...did he and his wife get VETTED before they enrolled the kid at school? does anyone need to be vetted? what if a man and a woman showed up at school....but were not married...should they be turned away? I mean...should they wear a t-shirt saying.."happily un-married and plan to stay that way"...what then? |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Mar 8 13:27:33 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 8 11:23:55 2010. To educate their children, since they didn't believe that the public schools could for whatever reason.The diocese obviously had no problem at the start. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 13:27:35 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Mar 8 12:44:46 2010. Correct. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 13:29:57 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 12:46:48 2010. YES...you do..it's ONLY FAIR....Jesus would have wanted it that way...FAIRNESS!The Catholic Church determines "what Jesus wanted", in their religion. Don't like their interpretation? Then don't stay a Catholic. The door is open to leave the church. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 13:31:48 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 12:54:04 2010. That's his choice. Not yours to make for his children. Property taxes pay for the school's support. It's your choice to use them or send them to Private school. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 13:38:43 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 13:29:57 2010. "The Catholic Church determines "what Jesus wanted", in their religion. Don't like their interpretation? Then don't stay a Catholic. The door is open to leave the church. "Running away from the Church does not solve the greater issue here...thus being....what the Church says about what Jesus said and what the Church actually practices are totally different. The Church is not PERFECT....why? because it is RUN BY HUMANS!.....HUMANS are NOT perfect!.... |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Mar 8 13:41:31 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 13:27:35 2010. To me, the issue is whether or not a Catholic school knows about something that they find objectionable before the fact, accepts the student anyway without conditions on the parents, and then turn around and try to reverse themselves after the fact. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 13:41:33 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 13:38:43 2010. And again, you are free to leave the church if you don't agree with their religion. The door is open, and it won't hit you in the ass as you walk out. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Mar 8 13:42:20 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 12:46:48 2010. You're missing the point. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 13:42:53 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 13:31:48 2010. "That's his choice. Not yours to make for his children."Yea..you're so right! instead of trying to FIX public school education where ChrisR16 lives....he chooses to ABANDON it altogether.... |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 8 13:45:10 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 13:00:39 2010. Giuliani's politics do conflict with his church. I'm not sure what point you are trying to make here. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 8 13:46:14 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 13:38:43 2010. Running away from the Church does not solve the greater issue here...thus being....what the Church says about what Jesus said and what the Church actually practices are totally different.Only the Pope gets to say that. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 13:48:25 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 13:41:33 2010. "And again, you are free to leave the church if you don't agree with their religion. The door is open, and it won't hit you in the ass as you walk out. "Are you JESUS ? are you throwing me out? lol....do you actually know how many CATHOLIC disagree with the Church's teaching? go search it out...you have the time...then report back to us....go on....we can wait.....or ask the egghead...Olog-hai for the answer...lol |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 8 13:50:23 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 13:42:53 2010. Yea..you're so right! instead of trying to FIX public school education where ChrisR16 lives....he chooses to ABANDON it altogether....Indeed, I wish more would abandon it. Things change when you have a kid. Your personal politics become secondary to the good of your child. I never supported vouchers, until I became a father. Before, I thought that if parochial and private institutions sapped the public school system of it's best and brightest students (unlike public schools, private ones can accept and decline whomever they want) it would basically bring the system down, to the detriment of all the kids in need. As a father, I don't give a rat's ass about other kids, I only want what's best for mine. That, for the moment, is catholic school. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 8 13:51:43 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 13:48:25 2010. The Pope represents God on Earth. If he says it, it's coming out of God's mouth. That's a cornerstone of Catholic ideology. Your views on Jesus have absolutely no weight within Catholic debate. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 13:55:01 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 8 13:45:10 2010. Go look at what your friend says here: this coming from GP38 >>>If you support women priests, gay marriage or abortion, you are NOT Catholic. You cannot be Catholic. so that means.....Giuliani is NOT CATHOLIC by what GP38 proports...and that's YOUR FRIEND saying that about a fellow Republican....lol |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Mar 8 13:56:17 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 8 13:50:23 2010. However, vis a vis schools...when was the last time that a parent was successful and a child still failed in school? Never happens...never has, never will.When a school is failing, look no further than the parents. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Mar 8 13:56:48 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 13:55:01 2010. And that's not the issue here. I disagree with the action, but for entirely different reasons. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 13:57:20 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 13:42:53 2010. And that is his choice, and many other parents who send their kids to private school. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 8 13:58:11 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 8 13:51:43 2010. That's exactly how the whole Vicarius Dei doctrine works. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 13:58:13 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 8 13:50:23 2010. "As a father, I don't give a rat's ass about other kids, I only want what's best for mine. That, for the moment, is catholic school."Sounds pretty damn SELFISH! it's only about HIM and not the GREATER good of society....lets not FIX the problem...lets run away from it....and let it drown in disrepair. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 13:58:24 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 8 13:50:23 2010. And private school often is better. I went to Catholic School, and I couldn't believe the shellshock I saw when I first went to College....half the people needed remedial math and reading courses....stuff I learned before 8th grade.... |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 8 13:58:26 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Mar 8 13:56:17 2010. I agree, parents play a large role in their child's success or failure in school, and I did fairly well in public school, but that was the 70's and 80's. It's a different world now, and I don't want my kid to suffer because his classmates are destined for prison, death, or teenaged motherhood. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 13:59:16 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Mar 8 13:56:17 2010. Of course, but if a student is in a environment where all the kids around him are dumbed down, it doesn't help him. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 14:00:47 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 13:55:01 2010. Go look at what your friend says here: this coming from GP38 >>>If you support women priests, gay marriage or abortion, you are NOT Catholic. You cannot be Catholic. so that means.....Giuliani is NOT CATHOLIC by what GP38 proports...and that's YOUR FRIEND saying that about a fellow Republican....lol Excuse me, but please point to the post where I said this, as I never said anything remotely close to that. Please provide the post, thanks. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Mar 8 14:01:17 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 13:24:20 2010. I sent one of my kids to Catholic school as well. And yes if an unmarried couple wanted to send their kids there then I think that they would be turned away. It's just like how (IINM) someone that has been divorced cannot get married in a Catholic Church. You have to follow their rules. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 14:01:22 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Mar 8 13:56:48 2010. And I never said any of the stuff he is claiming. I didn't even discuss Guiliani. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Mar 8 14:01:36 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 14:00:47 2010. Poster streetcarman1 may have derailed, so to speak. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 14:02:43 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 13:48:25 2010. Are you JESUS ? are you throwing me out?I am not the one making Catholic theology, I am only telling you what it is. If you agree with their teaching or not has nothing to do with me. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 14:04:12 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 13:58:13 2010. It's not up to him to "fix society". It is however his or any other parent's choice to use the public school system, or decide to send their kids to private school. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 8 14:04:31 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 13:58:24 2010. The thing I like about parochial school is that they are far more receptive to parents than public schools are. In effect, I am treated like a customer, not an afterthought. I can call my son's school and schedule a meeting with my son's teacher or principal at any time for any reason. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 14:04:51 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Mar 8 14:01:36 2010. I knew that long ago. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 8 14:05:31 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 13:59:16 2010. That's the problem, a class with 25 kids will be totally brought to a halt with only 4 or 5 disruptive kids. Ever see a 6th grade classroom these days? Yikes. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 14:06:15 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 8 13:51:43 2010. "Your views on Jesus have absolutely no weight within Catholic debate. "So....you ...as a non-Catholic....believe that Jesus has no bearing in the Catholic Church? hmmmmm..I wonder now..lol |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 8 14:06:47 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 13:58:13 2010. Damn right it's selfish. It's also human. Other parents will understand, if they're unwilling to admit it publically. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Mar 8 14:08:01 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 8 13:50:23 2010. Which means that bad schools are a result of at least some bad parents...or "broken windows". |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 14:10:04 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 13:58:24 2010. "And private school often is better. I went to Catholic School, and I couldn't believe the shellshock I saw when I first went to College....half the people needed remedial math and reading courses....stuff I learned before 8th grade.... "Often public school is better as well... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 14:10:27 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by Easy on Mon Mar 8 14:01:17 2010. It's just like how (IINM) someone that has been divorced cannot get married in a Catholic Church. You have to follow their rules.Correct, someone that has been divorced can not be married in the Catholic Church. However, that is only relevant to the fact if either of the couple were married was married IN the Catholic Church the first time before getting divorced and remarried. You can still get married in the Catholic Church, if you are divorced, so long as you weren't married in the Catholic Church to begin with, as the Catholic Church doesn't recognize marriages not performed in the church. For example, if you are Catholic, and married somebody in Las Vegas or in another church, or just civilly, and then get divorced from that person, you can still be married in the Catholic Church, as the original marriage was never recognized by the Church. But in any event, you are totally correct, you have to follow their rules, and if you don't agree with their rules, you are free to not be a member of that choice, and join some other choice. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 8 14:12:09 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 14:04:12 2010. Just ignore him. You can't argue with someone who's on a collectivist rant. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 14:12:41 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 8 14:12:09 2010. Yes, as usually, I made the mistake of even responding to his nonsense. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Mar 8 14:12:49 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 14:10:04 2010. Only when the parents give a damn...and the same can be said about any school in general. |
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