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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 11:20:33 2010 From the DENVERCHANNEL.COM:BOULDER, Colo. -- A preschooler is caught in the middle of a fight between religion and sexuality. Sacred Heart of Jesus Catholic School, in Boulder, has refused to readmit a preschooler because the child has two moms. Her parents are lesbians. "God and Jesus would not allow discrimination in that way," said Joellen Raderstorf, one of about two dozen demonstrators who turned out at Sunday's church service. Most of the protesters stood silently, across the street, holding signs. One read "God loves all people." Some of them went inside during mass. The priest addressed the situation in his sermon. "He feels like it's a calling to be strict with upholding the catholic principles," said Dave Ensign, president of the Board of Directors of Boulder Pride, a gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender organization. "People who understand the Catholic teaching will understand why the decision was made," said Fabien Ardila, a member of the parish. However, not everyone in the parish agreed with the decision. "I just feel the Catholic church is a church that should be teaching acceptance and tolerance. I just don't think this is an example of that," Juli Aderman-Hagerty told 7NEWS as she was leaving mass. "Father Breslin said it right. We're all sinners. Why discriminate against this end of sinners?" Church leaders declined to answer questions from 7NEWS. However, the Archdiocese of Denver did issue this statement: "To preserve the mission of our schools, and to respect the faith of wider Catholic community, we expect all families who enroll students to live in accord with Catholic teaching. Parents living in open discord with Catholic teaching in areas of faith and morals unfortunately choose by their actions to disqualify their children from enrollment." Raderstorf said it seems there's a double standard. "I don't think they interview to see what parents are divorced or what parents are using birth control or other things that are against the teaching of the Catholic Church," she said. Protesters said they'd like to see the decision reversed in this case. At the very least, they're glad their voices are being heard. "Perhaps the reaction is a wake up call that we're at a point in history that we can't do discrimination like this without negative repercussions," said Ensign. What is really interesting and lets focus on this statement: However, the Archdiocese of Denver did issue this statement: "To preserve the mission of our schools, and to respect the faith of wider Catholic community, we expect all families who enroll students to live in accord with Catholic teaching. Parents living in open discord with Catholic teaching in areas of faith and morals unfortunately choose by their actions to disqualify their children from enrollment." In 2010....how many Catholics do you know who use contraception? how many Catholics do you know who have premarital sex? I mean...come on.....lets call it SCAPEGOATING AT ITS BEST...by the hierarchy in the Archdiocese of Denver... |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 8 11:23:55 2010, in response to Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 11:20:33 2010. Catholic schools have this right. I'll ask this same question that I did in numerous forums elsewhere: why did these women want their kid in a Catholic pre-school, which teaches that their relationship is sinful and wrong?To pick a fight? To distract the media? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 8 11:27:08 2010, in response to Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 11:20:33 2010. In 2010....how many Catholics do you know who use contraception? how many Catholics do you know who have premarital sex? I mean...come on.....lets call it SCAPEGOATING AT ITS BEST...by the hierarchy in the Archdiocese of Denver...The Church can only combat so much anti-Catholic behavior. And those who use contraception and have pre-marital sex can go to confession and seek forgiveness. The two women in question are not admitting that their lifestyle is against Catholic teachings, they have not confessed, they have not been forgiven by a priest and they continue to live their (according to Catholic dogma) sinful lifestyles. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 11:28:23 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 8 11:23:55 2010. "Catholic schools have this right. I'll ask this same question that I did in numerous forums elsewhere:"WHY DOES THE CATHOLIC CHURCH PICK ON GAYS AND LESBIANS AND NOT HETEROSEXUALS THAT ARE JUST AS GUILTY OF IMMORAL BEHAVIOR? SUCH AS PREMARITAL SEX? THE USE OF CONTRACEPTION.....AND PORNOGRAPHY??? So now...ChrisR16...can you answer the above or are still going to say...will they have a right to pick who they want to attack...right? remember...the Church speaks for Jesus...what would Jesus say? well? lol |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 8 11:34:06 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 11:28:23 2010. WHY DOES THE CATHOLIC CHURCH PICK ON GAYS AND LESBIANS AND NOT HETEROSEXUALS THAT ARE JUST AS GUILTY OF IMMORAL BEHAVIOR?They don't. Homosexual couples who continue to engage in a sinful lifestyle cannot be forgiven. Behavior is sinful, but you have to stop engaging in it and ask for forgiveness via a confession. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 11:37:11 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 8 11:27:08 2010. "The Church can only combat so much anti-Catholic behavior. "WHAT ARE YOU KIDDING ME? WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A CHURCH WITH ALOT OF $$$ THAT HAS EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO COMBAT IMMORAL BEHAVIOR....AND YOU KNOW IT! "And those who use contraception and have pre-marital sex can go to confession and seek forgiveness..." And how many do? and how many really don't care!...again...the scagegoating by the CHURCH against these 2 women is appalling! and at BEST >>>>>>>> hypocritical! look at all the CHURCH SCANDALS! look at the recent church scandal in the VATICAN! right under their own eyes! |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 8 11:40:26 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 11:37:11 2010. WHAT ARE YOU KIDDING ME? WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A CHURCH WITH ALOT OF $$$This isn't 1480 and the Church isn't awash in indulgence money. And how many do? and how many really don't care!...again...the scagegoating by the CHURCH against these 2 women is appalling! and at BEST >>>>>>>> hypocritical! look at all the CHURCH SCANDALS! look at the recent church scandal in the VATICAN! right under their own eyes! Nothing hypocritical here. These two women can reject their lifestyle, cease engaging in homosexual relations, ask for forgiveness and then receive it. The Catholic Church will forgive almost anything (look at the Kennedys) but the sinner has to want to be forgived and (crucially) acknowledge that they have sinned. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Mar 8 11:40:56 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 8 11:23:55 2010. Actually, they don't, provided that this was the only reason for denial of enrollment. If there is another reason, then my previous comment gets thrown out. There has to be an objective reason for denial of enrollment; parents are not an objective reason. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 11:43:54 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 8 11:34:06 2010. "They don't. Homosexual couples who continue to engage in a sinful lifestyle cannot be forgiven. Behavior is sinful, but you have to stop engaging in it and ask for forgiveness via a confession."So...again...you're not answering the question..cause for one thing...you've already told us in previous posts that you are not Roman Catholic...but for some reason...you proport yourself as being an EXPERT on SINNING...why? Is this your NEW glamorous job now? how well do you really know what the average American Catholic does and does not do...what they follow and don't follow...if you're NOT one of them? I mean...ChrisR16...do you use Cliffnotes? lol |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 8 11:45:00 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Mar 8 11:40:56 2010. Actually, they don't, provided that this was the only reason for denial of enrollment. If there is another reason, then my previous comment gets thrown out. There has to be an objective reason for denial of enrollment; parents are not an objective reason.The objective reason is that their parents are living a noticably anti-Catholic lifestyle. The same rule that prohibits gays from joining the Boy Scouts applies here. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 8 11:46:24 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 11:43:54 2010. So...again...you're not answering the question..cause for one thing...you've already told us in previous posts that you are not Roman Catholic...but for some reason...you proport yourself as being an EXPERT on SINNING...why?I am only repeating what my MANY Catholic relatives have to say on the subject. Catholic dogma is also no secret, their views of "sinning" can be found with a simple Google search. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 11:47:47 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 8 11:40:26 2010. "This isn't 1480 and the Church isn't awash in indulgence money."Again...you THINK you know it all...but you don't....look at the MILLIONS of DOLLARS that was paid out to the VICTIMS of the CHURCH scandals...where did that money come from? a MONEY Tree in the Pope's backyard>>>??? no...ChrisR16....no... "These two women can reject their lifestyle, cease engaging in homosexual relations, ask for forgiveness and then receive it. The Catholic Church will forgive almost anything (look at the Kennedys) but the sinner has to want to be forgived and (crucially) acknowledge that they have sinned." So then....Heterosexuals should cease there lifestyles as well...since their immoral behavior never changes...they will always be immoral...in Church standards.... |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Mar 8 11:48:35 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 8 11:46:24 2010. However, the schools may not be allowed to follow that...that is, if that was the sole block to acceptance of a pupil. Now, if there were other reasons, then that's a separate issue. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 11:50:17 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 8 11:45:00 2010. "The objective reason is that their parents are living a noticably anti-Catholic lifestyle."So why is there no "litmus test" for heterosexual couples wanting to enroll their kids at the school? should be across the board....right? sorta BIASED here... |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Mar 8 11:52:18 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 8 11:45:00 2010. Difference: the Boy Scouts don't receive government funds; Catholic schools do to some extent (providing of textbooks by the state).It will be interesting to see if this is challenged in court...again, if there is not a separate legitimate side issue. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 11:52:58 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 8 11:46:24 2010. "I am only repeating what my MANY Catholic relatives have to say on the subject."Are they BONA FIDE theologians? I mean...come on...lets BE REAL...and are they NOT BIASED in their OPINIONS? lets be REAL THERE too.... |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 11:54:26 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Mar 8 11:52:18 2010. Very True.... |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Mar 8 11:55:17 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 8 11:23:55 2010. The school had the chance to deny enrollment BEFORE the child enrolled. Once they accepted him, they're stuck. If the claim is true, expect to see the school forced to take him back over their objections by a court.The most that can be done is charge the out-of-parish or non-Catholic rate. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 11:56:45 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 11:50:17 2010. Because according to Catholic dogma, heterosexual couples are not "sinning". This is the Catholic Church's dogma that states this. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 8 12:00:57 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 11:56:45 2010. It's also hard to prove that a heterosexual couple engaged in pre-marital sex or is currently using contraception. These two lesbian women are basically wearing T-Shirts saying "WE ARE UNREPENTANT SINNERS". |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Mar 8 12:02:41 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 11:56:45 2010. If the school knew of their actions when they admitted the child as a pre-schooler, and chose to admit the child anyway, they're stuck though. The school should have vetted the parents better BEFORE the fact; after the fact, it's too late (unless the child did something to warrant expulsion). |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 12:07:13 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 11:47:47 2010. So then....Heterosexuals should cease there lifestyles as well...since their immoral behavior never changes...they will always be immoral...in Church standards....No, since heterosexual behavior, in marriage, is not considered immoral by the church. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 8 12:07:27 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Mar 8 11:52:18 2010. Difference: the Boy Scouts don't receive government funds; Catholic schools do to some extent (providing of textbooks by the state).Catholic schools no public funding. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Mar 8 12:07:49 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 8 11:45:00 2010. Not according to the law; that's not an objective reason. The school's right to expel the child for reasons other than the child's performance doesn't exist under state and federal law.Let the court battle ensue. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Mar 8 12:09:24 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 8 12:07:27 2010. Do they use textbooks provided by the state (state textbook loan)? Are they subject to state testing? If so, that's considered funding.Even if you don't consider that funding, you have the issue of discrimination after the fact...the school should have vetted the parents better BEFORE allowing enrollment. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 12:09:27 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 8 12:00:57 2010. Correct. It's not as if a couple walks into the office wearing a Tshirt, "I wear condoms", or "I take the pill". A homosexual couple walking in doesn't need to say, "I am doing something against the church's dogma", as just them standing there is showing it. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Mar 8 12:09:44 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 12:07:13 2010. Those aren't valid LEGAL grounds though. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 12:10:55 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Mar 8 12:09:44 2010. It's a religious school, not a public school. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Mar 8 12:11:14 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 12:09:27 2010. However, there are no legal grounds to take it out on the child...none whatsoever. The school did a bad job in vetting, and now it and the diocese are stuck should there be a legal challenge (unless there is a different side issue). |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Mar 8 12:11:41 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 12:10:55 2010. The grounds of discrimination are blind to that argument. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 12:12:23 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Mar 8 12:09:24 2010. You know these textbooks are public books? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 8 12:12:32 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Mar 8 12:11:14 2010. There are legal grounds to protect the Church doing what it's doing....it's called the First Amendment. There's plenty of precedent on this subject. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 8 12:14:08 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Mar 8 12:09:24 2010. That has nothing to do with funding, and it does not bind the hands of Catholic Schools to accept any student or teach what the government wants.Why do you think my kid goes to Catholic school? To be free from the very system I saw destroy child after child that my mother taught for 20+ years. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Mar 8 12:15:02 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 8 12:12:32 2010. The First Amendment doesn't apply here. The First Amendment only means that government cannot restrict religion. A court's ordering the child reinstated would not be a violation of the First Amendment; the issue is whether or not the school can break a contract (one made with the parents to educate the child) without cause.If the Church claims cause, what is that cause? |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Mar 8 12:17:17 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 8 12:14:08 2010. The courts will likely disagree with you on this. Show me past precedent on this issue, where the school, knowing the lifestyle of the parents, accepts the pupil for enrollment and then tries to rescind enrollment after it has begun.I need to see the specific case. BTW, as for the public schools, the only way in which they can fail students is if the PARENTS fail at their jobs. Failure of students is always indicative of parental failure. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 8 12:19:02 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Mar 8 12:15:02 2010. The First Amendment doesn't apply here. The First Amendment only means that government cannot restrict religion.Exactly. Which is what the government would be doing if it forced this Catholic pre-school to accept the children of, what they consider, unrepentant sinners. There's pages of precedent on this subject. It was even an issue in the Scott Brown election: http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/watercooler/2010/jan/14/martha-coakley-devout-catholics-probably-shouldnt-/ |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Mar 8 12:22:58 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 8 12:19:02 2010. The WT link does not state an example of the government's forcing someone to defy religious beliefs. What Coakley was saying is that if someone wants to invoke religious beliefs in medicine, it cannot be done so as to deny that person the care so desired (i.e., it should be passed on to someone else who doesn't object).The Catholic school had already accepted this pupil, knowing the parental lifestyle. What grounds would it have to accept, enroll, and now try to rescind based on evidence known before the fact? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 12:24:19 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Mar 8 12:11:41 2010. It can ban on religious principles. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 12:25:55 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 11:56:45 2010. "Because according to Catholic dogma, heterosexual couples are not "sinning"."Are you a Catholic THEOLOGIAN? where does it say it? what verse? why would Jesus have it one way for heterosexuals and NOT FOR ALL...well? was he playing "favorites?" lol |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 12:26:14 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Mar 8 12:02:41 2010. IAWTP |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Mar 8 12:29:32 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 12:24:19 2010. On that, a court would have to decide, but I doubt that the courts would side with the school. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 12:31:16 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 8 12:00:57 2010. "It's also hard to prove that a heterosexual couple engaged in pre-marital sex or is currently using contraception. These two lesbian women are basically wearing T-Shirts saying "WE ARE UNREPENTANT SINNERS". "I agree...it is hard to prove...what you just said 100% Correct....with that in mind then...it is also difficult to prove that the 2 women are living in sin...ie....the Church as ALWAYS said...the ACT...not that 2 people are GAY...it is the ACT..the SEXUAL ACT...that is immoral to the CHURCH teaching...so...by the same AFFECT...how does the school know these 2 women committed immoral sexual acts verse a HETEROSEXUAL couple constantly using condoms or IUDS or the some other device...? the same can be said heterosexual couples....who don't go to confension..and THEY DO EXIST...basically wearing T-Shirts saying "WE ARE UNREPENTANT SINNERS". |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 12:31:24 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 12:25:55 2010. why would Jesus have it one way for heterosexuals and NOT FOR ALL...well? was he playing "favorites?" lolThe Catholic Church is not a Democracy. Are you a Catholic THEOLOGIAN? where does it say it? what verse? http://www.catholic.com/library/Homosexuality.asp |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Mar 8 12:33:38 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 12:31:24 2010. The Catholic Church though is subject to other principles independent of religion. Here, the issue appears to be that the Church willfully ignored the evidence before the fact, and then tried to correct itself after the fact.If someone can suggest a winning argument that would stand on appeal, please give it to me...and I see this case being appealed more than once. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 12:33:57 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 12:09:27 2010. "A homosexual couple walking in doesn't need to say, "I am doing something against the church's dogma", as just them standing there is showing it. "So how would the Church know? do they have a CRYSTAL BALL to see all the immoral activites of a single homosexual couple? are you saying that ALL homosexual couples engage in sexual activity all the time? some don't and some do....not every couple follows the same set of rules.... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 12:34:53 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Mar 8 12:33:38 2010. I was responding to a comment that said "Why would Jesus have it one way for some, and not for others. Was he playing favorites."That has nothing to do with what you said. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Mar 8 12:36:48 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 11:56:45 2010. Then why was enrollment allowed to begin with? The diocese knew of this and allowed enrollment anyway...only to try to backtrack later on.Again, this presumes no separate side issue. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 12:38:32 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 8 12:12:32 2010. "There are legal grounds to protect the Church doing what it's doing....it's called the First Amendment. There's plenty of precedent on this subject. "Not if they receive STATE AID of ANY KIND from the State of Colorado.....they can't discriminate.... |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 12:42:46 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 8 12:19:02 2010. "Exactly. Which is what the government would be doing if it forced this Catholic pre-school to accept the children of, what they consider, unrepentant sinners."So what if a single mom shows up at the door and wants to enroll her kid....how does know that this person is immoral? is she GAY? is she recently DIVORCED? or Separated? or is she someone who was artificially inseminated at a SPERM and does not know the father of the child seeking enrollment....so....WHO GETS IN AND WHO DOES NOT? what "T-shirt" are they now wearing....lol |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 8 12:43:18 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 12:31:24 2010. The Catholic Church is not a Democracy.The essential point at the center of this all. If the Pope says it, it is so. If you support women priests, gay marriage or abortion, you are NOT Catholic. You cannot be Catholic. That you are not being actively run out of the Church is not tantamount to acceptance of your sins by Catholic Church authorities. If you have a problem with Catholic dogma, the only thing you can do is LEAVE THE CHURCH and seek one which matches your personal beliefs. This is why I am not Catholic, nor would I ever officially joing the Church. |
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