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Fort Hood Report has no mention of Islam or even Hasan's name |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 23 21:21:22 2010 Looks like the disease of extreme political correctness that the UK is currently suffering from has really pervaded the USA now.Time Magazine
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jan 23 21:34:23 2010, in response to Fort Hood Report has no mention of Islam or even Hasan's name, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 23 21:21:22 2010. Sad, but not at all surprising. If the responses on this board are a small sampling of how Americans feel about political correctness, it explains why this happened. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jan 23 21:38:08 2010, in response to Re: Fort Hood Report has no mention of Islam or even Hasan's name, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jan 23 21:34:23 2010. responses on this board are a small sampling of how Americans feel about political correctnessresponses in the days after Hasan's attack is what I'm referring to. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 23 21:45:38 2010, in response to Re: Fort Hood Report has no mention of Islam or even Hasan's name, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jan 23 21:38:08 2010. Yup . . . didn't feel like dredging those up again.BTW, I read somewhere that the CIA has been instructed to downgrade the importance of spying on Red China, and even establish an office to investigate the effects of "climate change". Gotta be kidding me . . . |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jan 23 21:51:22 2010, in response to Re: Fort Hood Report has no mention of Islam or even Hasan's name, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 23 21:45:38 2010. We knew the Fort Hood report would be politically correct. We just didn't know what approach they would take. I thought they would mention Islam and then apologize by tying McVeigh and "right-wing Christians" into the report as a "reminder". Instead, they took the more extreme PC approach. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 23 21:55:59 2010, in response to Re: Fort Hood Report has no mention of Islam or even Hasan's name, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jan 23 21:51:22 2010. I thought they would mention Islam and then apologize by tying McVeigh and "right-wing Christians" into the report as a "reminder"Yes . . . there was an oblique reference to religious "extremism" meaning to lump in "right-wing Xtians" with Islamists and all that. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jan 23 22:25:58 2010, in response to Fort Hood Report has no mention of Islam or even Hasan's name, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 23 21:21:22 2010. It sounds as though the critical information is classified, and that the mentions are only in another report not for the public's eyes. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jan 23 22:29:26 2010, in response to Fort Hood Report has no mention of Islam or even Hasan's name, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 23 21:21:22 2010. Military report, right? And who is the Commander in Chief? Has he got familial roots in Islam? Need any more be said? |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Jan 23 23:19:08 2010, in response to Fort Hood Report has no mention of Islam or even Hasan's name, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 23 21:21:22 2010. Unless there is a quite good reason for not considering Mr. Hasan's motivations and fanaticism, e.g., that's the focus of another forthcoming report and not the task of this one, the omission seems to take PC to the next level. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 23 23:24:42 2010, in response to Re: Fort Hood Report has no mention of Islam or even Hasan's name, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jan 23 22:29:26 2010. Yes, military report. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 23 23:26:12 2010, in response to Re: Fort Hood Report has no mention of Islam or even Hasan's name, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Jan 23 23:19:08 2010. that's the focus of another forthcoming report and not the task of this oneThat begs the question as to what the purpose of this 86-page report is . . . to waste more of the military budget? |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jan 23 23:35:15 2010, in response to Re: Fort Hood Report has no mention of Islam or even Hasan's name, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jan 23 22:29:26 2010. Actually, yes. And the President normally leaves this to his military staff to write this without his input. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jan 23 23:37:15 2010, in response to Re: Fort Hood Report has no mention of Islam or even Hasan's name, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jan 23 22:29:26 2010. Yes actually; it is quite possible that his Islamic faith had nothing to do with the killings. As of the current moment, ties to a religious terror syndicate cannot yet be proven. Until then, that Hasan is Muslim is pure coincidence. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jan 23 23:39:06 2010, in response to Re: Fort Hood Report has no mention of Islam or even Hasan's name, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jan 23 21:51:22 2010. However, it is also possible that his Islamic faith had nothing to do with this premeditated act, and that his faith is coincidental.The critical link that would make this terrorism---admission of action on behalf of a terror syndicate (as is what happened with the Army recruiter's murder) or a link pieced together by investigators---is absent. This sounds like a preliminary report. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Jan 23 23:40:42 2010, in response to Re: Fort Hood Report has no mention of Islam or even Hasan's name, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 23 23:26:12 2010. That begs the question as to what the purpose of this 86-page report is . . . to waste more of the military budget?I haven't read up on it, and I'm usually not fond of commenting on reports that I haven't at least skimmed, but it seems a reasonable bureaucratic division of labor. Mind you, I have no idea if that's what happened. For all that I know, it's just PC taken to the next level, as I said. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jan 23 23:41:44 2010, in response to Fort Hood Report has no mention of Islam or even Hasan's name, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 23 21:21:22 2010. This sounds preliminary to me. I am expecting another report. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 23 23:42:42 2010, in response to Re: Fort Hood Report has no mention of Islam or even Hasan's name, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jan 23 23:39:06 2010. it is also possible that his Islamic faith had nothing to do with this premeditated act, and that his faith is coincidentalNo, it is not "also possible". He yelled "Allahu Akbar" before pulling the trigger. Quod erat demonstrandum. The critical link that would make this terrorism---admission of action on behalf of a terror syndicate (as is what happened with the Army recruiter's murder) or a link pieced together by investigators---is absent False definition of terrorism. And the article doesn't focus on the word "terrorism" besides. How many hole-filled dead arguments are you going to post . . . ? |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Jan 23 23:47:01 2010, in response to Re: Fort Hood Report has no mention of Islam or even Hasan's name, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jan 23 23:37:15 2010. I recognize that you like to play Devil's advocate on proof issues, but even Satan must be chuckling at this one.I'd think that the role that Mr. Hasan's fanaticism played in the attack should be thoroughly explored. We have seen several press accounts that talk about his disillusionment with our foreign policy, his personal problems reconciling his Islamic faith with his duties as an American soldier, his contact with a militant cleric in Yemen, etc. Certainly that's relevant, wouldn't you say? As I said, there are really few good reasons for why the alleged omission was made. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 23 23:48:24 2010, in response to Re: Fort Hood Report has no mention of Islam or even Hasan's name, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Jan 23 23:47:01 2010. I recognize that you like to play Devil's advocate on proof issues, but even Satan must be chuckling at this oneYeah, but Satan will say "don't quit your day job" if he had the misfortune of meeting him face to face . . . |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jan 23 23:49:31 2010, in response to Re: Fort Hood Report has no mention of Islam or even Hasan's name, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Jan 23 23:47:01 2010. Most likely, it may be that the investigation is not complete at this time, and that the definitive link has not been proven (i.e., action on behalf of a terror syndicate---as happened in Arkansas in June). |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 23 23:49:42 2010, in response to Re: Fort Hood Report has no mention of Islam or even Hasan's name, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jan 23 23:41:44 2010. The article did not say "preliminary report", sorry. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jan 23 23:50:23 2010, in response to Re: Fort Hood Report has no mention of Islam or even Hasan's name, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 23 23:42:42 2010. Uh, there is no such thing as lone-wolf religious terror. One cannot advance a religious agenda by oneself...short of attacking a religious house of worship. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jan 23 23:51:04 2010, in response to Re: Fort Hood Report has no mention of Islam or even Hasan's name, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 23 23:49:42 2010. Common sense suggests one though (it has been 9 weeks). I would be surprised if it wasn't one. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Jan 24 00:09:46 2010, in response to Re: Fort Hood Report has no mention of Islam or even Hasan's name, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jan 23 23:50:23 2010. That's ridiculous. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jan 24 00:14:14 2010, in response to Re: Fort Hood Report has no mention of Islam or even Hasan's name, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 23 23:26:12 2010. The U.S. Military may be more PC than the mainstream media and our education system. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jan 24 00:24:08 2010, in response to Re: Fort Hood Report has no mention of Islam or even Hasan's name, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jan 24 00:14:14 2010. That'll be to its own detriment. George Washington wouldn't recognize it . . . |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Jan 24 00:25:53 2010, in response to Re: Fort Hood Report has no mention of Islam or even Hasan's name, posted by Easy on Sun Jan 24 00:09:46 2010. Then prove me wrong. The shooting in Arkansas of a military recruiter was supposedly done at the behest of al-Qaida. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Jan 24 00:52:36 2010, in response to Re: Fort Hood Report has no mention of Islam or even Hasan's name, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jan 23 23:39:06 2010. However, it is also possible that his Islamic faith had nothing to do with this premeditated act, and that his faith is coincidental. His far-right religious extremism had EVERYTHING to do with his pre-meditated act. Saying that his version of his Islamic faith had nothing to do with his actions is like saying that the perverted Christian versions of Eric Rudolph or the Tiller murderer had nothing to do with theirs. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Jan 24 00:57:52 2010, in response to Re: Fort Hood Report has no mention of Islam or even Hasan's name, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jan 23 23:50:23 2010. Uh, there is no such thing as lone-wolf religious terror.I disagree. While his actions may not fit the definition of organized terrorism (al-Qaeda, KKK, Army of God, etc), it was still an act of individual terrorism due to his pro-active (but uncoordinated) online activities embracing the causes of like-minded individuals and organizations. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jan 24 01:26:05 2010, in response to Re: Fort Hood Report has no mention of Islam or even Hasan's name, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jan 24 00:24:08 2010. That'll be to its own detriment.And to the delight of many, even some US citizens. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jan 24 01:42:03 2010, in response to Re: Fort Hood Report has no mention of Islam or even Hasan's name, posted by SMAZ on Sun Jan 24 00:57:52 2010. There's the real you. Pat on back for that post . . . |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Jan 24 11:35:48 2010, in response to Fort Hood Report has no mention of Islam or even Hasan's name, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 23 21:21:22 2010. The more I read about the Fort Hood attack, the more I wonder if suspect Hasan wasn't a terrorist in the strictest sense of the word, but rather a severely mentally-ill man with big-time religious delusions. You've got to be pretty bent in the head to, as a member of the US Army, cry out "Allah Akbar!" and commence to shooting up a military base.Just because the man was a psychiatrist, doesn't mean he wasn't seriously crazy. Just something to ponder... |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jan 24 11:52:04 2010, in response to Re: Fort Hood Report has no mention of Islam or even Hasan's name, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Jan 24 11:35:48 2010. but rather a severely mentally-ill man with big-time religious delusions.If that's true, then there are no terrorists. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Jan 24 11:57:38 2010, in response to Re: Fort Hood Report has no mention of Islam or even Hasan's name, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jan 24 11:52:04 2010. Why stop there. Maybe there's no such things as criminals or crime. These people need our help Chris. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Jan 24 11:58:46 2010, in response to Re: Fort Hood Report has no mention of Islam or even Hasan's name, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jan 24 11:52:04 2010. You can be mentally stable and still be a terrorist. The Sept. 11th hijackers, for example, carried out their plan with careful planning and malice aforethought, as part of an organized group. I'm saying it's possible that Hasan, on the other hand, was so utterly delusional that his acts were symptomatic of his illness. He did, so far as we know, act alone. The 'one lone nut' theory might very well be applicable here. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Jan 24 12:02:48 2010, in response to Re: Fort Hood Report has no mention of Islam or even Hasan's name, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Jan 24 11:58:46 2010. Had he been in the middle east and not been in the service, I have little doubt that he would have sought out those groups. Wasn't he already sending money to terrorist fronts? He was also communicating with that radical cleric for advice on what were acceptable actions to take. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Jan 24 12:06:51 2010, in response to Re: Fort Hood Report has no mention of Islam or even Hasan's name, posted by Easy on Sun Jan 24 12:02:48 2010. I Still think he might be a certifiable macadamia. Think about it...he's in the US Army, an officer at that, and a psychiatrist, to boot. I can't think of too many things that say "I'm f*cking loopy" than for Hasan to do all the things you just said, given his occupation and employer... |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Jan 24 12:11:48 2010, in response to Re: Fort Hood Report has no mention of Islam or even Hasan's name, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Jan 24 12:06:51 2010. I disagree. He continued to act rationally his entire career despite having his belief system for a long time. He obviously knew the difference between right and wrong and sought advice on what was "right". He may have been a nut in the colloquial sense, but in the legal or clinical sense I don't think so. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Jan 24 16:39:46 2010, in response to Fort Hood Report has no mention of Islam or even Hasan's name, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 23 21:21:22 2010. I have to mention this everytime I hear any story on the guy.Front page of the sunday paper that week had an article on the shooting. second paragraph said hte father reported him to the authorities for becoming religious. Story for two pages didn't say why or what religion. What parent is reporting a kid to the FBI for becoming religious??? can we hire some fact checkers please! |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Jan 24 17:46:27 2010, in response to Re: Fort Hood Report has no mention of Islam or even Hasan's name, posted by Easy on Sun Jan 24 12:02:48 2010. Whether or not he had sent money to terrorist fronts is not yet clear.As for the communication with the cleric, it's known that he supposedly sent E-mail. However, what is unclear is: Did he write back? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 19 02:07:00 2010, in response to Re: Fort Hood Report has no mention of Islam or even Hasan's name, posted by SMAZ on Sun Jan 24 00:52:36 2010. Oh, you so blew it. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Feb 19 17:19:36 2010, in response to Re: Fort Hood Report has no mention of Islam or even Hasan's name, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 19 02:07:00 2010. Oh, you so blew it.How? The WTF Cat never blows it. AMoreira's statement was at the very least puzzling. How can you still agree with it knowing what we know now? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Feb 23 03:07:58 2010, in response to Fort Hood Report has no mention of Islam or even Hasan's name, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 23 21:21:22 2010. Story Here |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Feb 23 07:02:59 2010, in response to Army valued diversity in Ft Hood(Re: Fort Hood Report has no mention of Islam or even Hasan's name), posted by LuchAAA on Tue Feb 23 03:07:58 2010. Sounds as though someone is trying to play CYA here, knowing that (s)he screwed up---and it's likely at the Pentagon. Don't believe for a minute that that's the real reason.The report should have thrown someone under the bus, and I would say it should have been the first person who received the information from the FBI and failed to pass it on to General Robert Cone (commanding officer of Fort Hood). |
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