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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Thu Jul 2 22:31:29 2009, in response to Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 1 21:43:14 2009. If we can give a house and money to a family on welfare but can't feed our own veterans then there is most definitely a sad country we live in. |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Jul 2 22:33:22 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Thu Jul 2 22:31:29 2009. What do you mean "can't feed our veterans"?And why are you calling the greatest country in the world a "sad country"? |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Thu Jul 2 22:36:31 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Easy on Thu Jul 2 22:33:22 2009. The truth is that there are a lot of homeless and/or unemployed veterans dating back to Vietnam(most of the oldest soliders are no longer employable.). But we can give illegal immigrants the whole world while our soliders are pushed to one side. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 2 22:38:32 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Easy on Thu Jul 2 22:27:52 2009. Elite circles? |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Jul 2 22:38:54 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Thu Jul 2 22:36:31 2009. Many of the homeless veterans that I see have drug problems. It's hard to help them until they kick that habit.Say what you want about illegal immigrants, but they hustle and they go to work. They don't sit back and wait for handouts. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Thu Jul 2 22:40:29 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by docstox on Thu Jul 2 07:00:13 2009. I totally agree. The 2 party system is a joke. You have mudslinging and one party grabbing power and making a mess of things and allowing the other party to gain power to do just the same.If they had the average everyday folks as senators and congressmen compared to the 'tenured' politicians, we might be that much better off for it. |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Jul 2 22:40:56 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 2 22:38:32 2009. The faux-biker businessmen. The LIRR SCA's. The friends of Dorothy. |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Jul 2 22:43:22 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 2 22:24:18 2009. No, I was reminding us it was break time. Now it's back to the trenches.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Thu Jul 2 22:43:37 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 2 12:27:30 2009. That's a shame, what happened to Ingraham? It seems ABC just kept shifting her show around. After they let Grant go, they should've put her show at 8-10pm.I just don't really care much about the Medved show, WOR should've kept the 3rd hour of Savage's show. |
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Posted by R PansePCC on Thu Jul 2 22:44:01 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 2 22:20:51 2009. I'm sorry that the NFL success upsets you. Maybe if we talked baseball you will be happier because I will tell you what you want to hear not what you don't want to hear.MLB has a luxury tax that the wealthy teams pay into and the poorer teams benefit from. The Yankees pay taxes and they still win and make money. Their tax money goes to teams such as the Twins who take that welfare money, if you will, and they pocket it. They don't even try to better themselves. They are living off of the dole that they receive. Before you start feeling bad that the Yankees pay all of this tax, know that they used a little luxury tax loophole to help with their new stadium. The Yankees were able to avoid paying some of the luxury tax because they got to write off the money that they paid to build the new ballpark. Not only did NYC tax money pay for most of the stadium the Yankees got to pay less luxury tax because they spent money on a new stadium. In a nutshell the NFL is a smooth running socialistic machine, and MLB is the dysfunctional welfare state that conservatives despise. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 2 22:44:45 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Easy on Thu Jul 2 22:40:56 2009. You seem to make little or no sense tonight. Perhaps you'd care to explain. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 2 22:45:08 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Jul 2 11:20:49 2009. This isn't quite the same thing. The Republicans are seeing a rift based on the party's fundamental principles, which hasn't been seen since the split between conservative Democrats and progressive Democrats in the late 1960s. Yes, the Democratic party survived (though with a completely different set of principles), and the same could be true of the Republican party, but only if a better alternative doesn't come along.Very good analysis. The difference is that progressive principles were ascendant in the late 60's and those theories were actually seen in Nixon's policies even though he cynically parlayed conservative disenchantment with the Civil Rights Era into the Southern Strategy. These tactics allowed the GOP to carry both the South AND places like CA, PA, MI etc for the next 20 years. That GOP no longer exists. Obama has no need to "triangulate" because the GOP's principles in both the economic and social arenas as well as their foreign policy ideas and their ability to govern are now discredited in the eyes of the American public. The various wings that make up the modern GOP never really had much in common to begin with but it worked as long as they kept on winning elections or had the chance of winning after temporary setbacks. Now they are having circular firing squads because their message is no longer registering and they don't know how to proceed in putting out one in a coherent manner. |
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Posted by R PansePCC on Thu Jul 2 22:45:59 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Easy on Thu Jul 2 22:38:54 2009. Didn't Bill O say the same thing about veterans and drugs? |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Thu Jul 2 22:46:10 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by R PansePCC on Thu Jul 2 22:44:01 2009. "Before you start feeling bad that the Yankees pay all of this tax, know that they used a little luxury tax loophole to help with their new stadium. The Yankees were able to avoid paying some of the luxury tax because they got to write off the money that they paid to build the new ballpark. Not only did NYC tax money pay for most of the stadium the Yankees got to pay less luxury tax because they spent money on a new stadium."That was one of the good reasons for building the new park, no money to the 'deadbeat owners'. But they really should pay back the city what they owe us. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 2 22:46:24 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by R PansePCC on Thu Jul 2 22:44:01 2009. In a nutshell the NFL is a smooth running socialistic machine, and MLB is the dysfunctional welfare state that conservatives despise.But both of those are sports teams, and not government entities runing our coutntry, states, or cities. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 2 22:47:37 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 2 22:23:03 2009. Rush Limbaugh is only a Republican "luminary" it tne minds of the mindless left. I know few who listen to him other than liberal who can't seem to get enough of him.Yes, notice that the only people here that every bring him up or talk about him are left leaning people. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 2 22:48:15 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by R PansePCC on Thu Jul 2 22:44:01 2009. "I'm sorry that the NFL success upsets you"I can see you choose not to deal with fact or reality. I'll give you one chance to prove you are not as idiotic as you are now sounding. QUOTE,, where I said that the NFL's success upsets me. You take some nice photos but when it comes to intelligent discussion, you seem in a bit above your head. Sorry! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 2 22:48:43 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Easy on Thu Jul 2 22:29:59 2009. And that would actually mean something if Rush was actually running for office, but seeing that he's not, it's moot. |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Jul 2 22:49:34 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 2 22:47:37 2009. Maybe here. He's really popular in a large portion of America. I'm surprised that you NY conservatives don't know that. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 2 22:50:00 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 2 22:46:24 2009. He doesn't see the difference or he doesn't want to. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 2 22:50:16 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 2 22:48:43 2009. Oh, they're still talking about Rush. (But they try to shoot you down if you talk about Jeremiah Wright in any capacity.) |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Thu Jul 2 22:50:27 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 2 22:48:43 2009. We don't need any more crackheads in office. We already had an ex-president who was a pot smoker, Clinton. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 2 22:50:42 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 2 22:48:43 2009. Unfair to confuse a liberal with facts |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Jul 2 22:52:07 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 2 22:48:43 2009. No, it shows that people take entertainers seriously and that they have at least enough influence to get elected.Look at who the right criticizes. Alec Baldwin, Matt Damon, all the Hollywood crowd. Yet you get bent out of shape that someone on the right - who you obviously know little - about gets a mention here. |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Jul 2 22:53:58 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 2 22:50:16 2009. Who is "they"? |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 2 22:56:13 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 2 14:00:06 2009. I think he should do what Bill Clinton did.Yeah I forgot about the time when Bill Clinton went missing for several days after he got on a plane and flew to Argentina to meet up with Monica Lewinsky. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 2 22:59:37 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 2 19:11:28 2009. What AMoreira means is that if the Dems had mounted a filibuster against Alito, the GOP would have invoked the so-called "nuclear option". Those newer rules remain in place even though the Dems therotically now have a filibuster-proof majority |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 2 23:02:14 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jul 2 20:08:18 2009. Moreover, as Judge Bork's nomination to the US Supreme Court showed, even a nomination voted against by all members of the majority and one member of the minority can be reported out of committee.True but the Dems knew that they had the votes to straight out vote down Bork on the floor. That would have not been the case with Alito. A filibuster would have been the only way to block his confirmation. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 2 23:09:49 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by italianstallion on Thu Jul 2 09:24:17 2009. The know-nothings. Sounds a lot like the current GOP. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Jul 2 23:10:56 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 2 22:46:24 2009. EXCEPT when it comes to corporate welfare regarding public financing of their stadia or arenas, when that money could be better spent. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 2 23:12:29 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Easy on Thu Jul 2 22:53:58 2009. They is who be talking about Rush. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 2 23:15:19 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by docstox on Thu Jul 2 11:46:17 2009. If we had built those nuke plants...We? As in Government-Run Nuclear Power Plants? How do WE build nuclear power plants? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 2 23:17:49 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 2 13:58:04 2009. It means nothing. It could mean that conservatives are more likely to listen to talk radio and liberals are more likely to listen to less mind-numbing genres. Or conservatives are more likely to drive. Or liberals are more likely to have iPods. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 2 23:20:47 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by docstox on Wed Jul 1 23:35:28 2009. Her "rich" experience as a Hispanic Woman makes her more suitable than a white male.Republican hypocrites thought that bringing up one's heritage was a great positive when Alito discussed it. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 2 23:21:42 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 2 12:42:36 2009. Not only is it racist, but it's something white people can't say. Alito said it and Republicans applauded him for it. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 2 23:26:09 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 2 22:22:58 2009. Not true. The huge increase in Puerto Rican and northern liberals is what has made Florida a blue state in every sense of the word. Remove the Cubans, and you still have the NY/Boston libs, the Jewish vote, and the black populations too.Same with VA. All the minorities and libs from DC have flooded the VA burbs. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 2 23:27:16 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Easy on Thu Jul 2 22:07:09 2009. Racism is dead in America. No need for affirmative action, etc..... If a black man can be President, all obstacles have been removed. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 2 23:29:22 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 2 22:01:15 2009. I will. So until then, no one should be talking about tax cuts. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 2 23:32:45 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 2 23:20:47 2009. He's talking about other people's experience, not his own. He's putting himself in someone else's shoes. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Thu Jul 2 23:38:37 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 2 23:29:22 2009. and our current president only gave us a paltry 250 dollars each, less than half of what we received from Bush.and this money is disguised as a reduction in your federal tax withholding. |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Jul 2 23:51:24 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 2 23:27:16 2009. True. It's no longer a matter of "if", but "when"? |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 2 23:52:55 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by R PansePCC on Thu Jul 2 22:44:01 2009. In a nutshell the NFL is a smooth running socialistic machine, and MLB is the dysfunctional welfare state that conservatives despise.That's a good analogy. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 2 23:54:41 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Grand Concourse on Thu Jul 2 22:46:10 2009. But they really should pay back the city what they owe us.That would be nice but they owe us nothing. We elected and re-elected the politicians that gave the money away and now they have repealed term-limits because they know we will re-elect them yet again. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 2 23:58:50 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Thu Jul 2 23:38:37 2009. and our current president only gave us a paltry 250 dollars each, less than half of what we received from Bush.Perhaps the fact that Bush inherited the biggest surpluses in US history while Obama inherited an economic basket-case may have something to do with that. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jul 3 00:00:00 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Easy on Thu Jul 2 22:52:07 2009. No, it shows that people take entertainers seriously and that they have at least enough influence to get elected.And again, it's moot since Rush is NOT running for office. Look at who the right criticizes. Alec Baldwin, Matt Damon, all the Hollywood crowd. Yes, the once a year Alec or Matt may come up, as opposed to almost every other day that Rush is brought up by people on the left. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Jul 3 00:06:49 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Easy on Thu Jul 2 22:29:59 2009. If an entertainer like Al Franken can win a Senate seat Rush could easily win one.Doubt it. Senator Franken is well liked and makes sense. He knows when to stop. Furthermore, Franken is family man and was never a dope fiend. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Jul 3 00:08:30 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jul 3 00:00:00 2009. Well we'll just have to disagree as to whether someone that isn't currently in office or running for office can be relevant in politics. We've beaten that to death.Yes, the once a year Alec or Matt may come up, as opposed to almost every other day that Rush is brought up by people on the left. You obviously don't listen to talk radio. The conservative hosts talk about some Hollywood actor or another just about every day. You also don't know or hang around people that listen to Rush. Most of the people that listen to him like him. They aren't liberals. I like him okay, but I know that he's an entertainer. But I talk about his show with other people that listen and they aren't liberal. I also talk politics with liberals and while they may bring up Rush disparagingly, it's not nearly as often as you think. Do you ever talk politics with people? You seem like your impressions of Rush come form the media. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Jul 3 00:11:34 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 2 23:26:09 2009. The huge increase in Puerto Rican and northern liberals is what has made Florida a blue state in every sense of the word.Remove the Cubans, and you still have the NY/Boston libs, the Jewish vote, and the black populations too.Same with VA. All the minorities and libs from DC have flooded the VA burbs. That's what I said. Obama's blackness did not affect the final result in FL or VA though it probably put him over the top in IN and NC but hurt him in MO. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jul 3 00:18:37 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by SMAZ on Fri Jul 3 00:11:34 2009. His blackness helped in Florida. Minorities and liberals liked that and voted for him.For all the relocated baby-boomers in Dade, Lee, and Pinellas Counties, Obama's candidacy was the realization of a dream started back in the 60's. For Latinos in Florida, it was about sticking together as a minority, and breaking the monopoly white males have had on the White House. Next time, Latinos will be clamoring that it's their turn to win. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Jul 3 00:19:25 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jul 3 00:18:37 2009. All of that would not have mattered AT ALL though if not for the Jewish vote. |
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