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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 1 21:43:14 2009 For my liberal friends, this might give you something to think about."You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it." ~~~~~ Dr. Adrian Rogers, |
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Posted by docstox on Wed Jul 1 21:50:30 2009, in response to Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 1 21:43:14 2009. Amen! Ask the liberals, did you ever get a job from a poor person? |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Jul 1 22:00:22 2009, in response to Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 1 21:43:14 2009. well all the jobs are being sent overseas anyway |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Jul 1 22:02:59 2009, in response to Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 1 21:43:14 2009. That's the same guy that said this?"I believe slavery is a much maligned institution; if we had slavery today, we would not have this welfare mess." ~~~~~ Dr. Adrian Rogers, |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 1 22:05:26 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Jul 1 22:00:22 2009. Talk to your president |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Jul 1 22:07:13 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 1 22:05:26 2009. bush ?lol |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Jul 1 22:08:52 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Easy on Wed Jul 1 22:02:59 2009. lollamo thats right easy ! |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 1 22:08:57 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Jul 1 22:07:13 2009. Bush is not president, Salaam. I would have thought that the news would have reached LA by now. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 1 22:10:45 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 1 22:08:57 2009. Maybe Bush is Salaam's president . . . hmm. He doesn't recognize Obama as president? |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Jul 1 22:11:08 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 1 22:08:57 2009. he sure messed things up train dude for a long time 8 long yearsand lot of left over mess to clean up after him yea |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 1 22:15:30 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Easy on Wed Jul 1 22:02:59 2009. Only source seems to be blogs. That's funny. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 1 22:15:38 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 1 22:10:45 2009. "hmm. He doesn't recognize obama as president?"Seems that those numbers are growing every day. Even the thinking liberals (oxymoron?) are starting to realize that with "Cap & Trade" and other obama folly, 95% of all Americans will face real and significant tax increases. Those liberals who still refuse to see things as they are will eventually get the message. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 1 22:17:10 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Jul 1 22:11:08 2009. I'm doing just fine, thank you. But I will be retired and safe before obama can reach too deeply into my pockets. |
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Posted by docstox on Wed Jul 1 22:18:47 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 1 22:15:38 2009. We'll see what happens in the Senate with Cap and Trade.Blue Dog Democrats from coal states may not be so happy to support this.The only way the liberals will get the message is when they are voted out of office. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 1 22:19:47 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 1 22:15:38 2009. That's for sure, especially when the EU starts getting super-rich at our expense. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Jul 1 22:21:01 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 1 22:15:30 2009. Wikipedia cites his biography, which admittedly isn't much better since we can't confirm it. |
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Posted by docstox on Wed Jul 1 22:21:52 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 1 22:17:10 2009. Me too.Made tons of money in the market during the Bush years and did not get blown up by a terrorist attack.I retired at age 50 in 2001 when Bush took office.Now I've got to figure out stocks that will benefit from an 8 year Obama run.There will be sectors that benefit.if Cap and Trade goes in, wind power,solar and railroads should do well.Lot's of carbon spewing trucks can be repalced with a 100 car freight train! |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 1 22:23:05 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 1 22:15:30 2009. Seems the liberals can't handle ideas. They can't refute the thoughts so they attack the author. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Jul 1 22:24:51 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 1 22:17:10 2009. I'm doing just fine, thank you. But I will be retired and safe before obama can reach too deeply into my pockets.Didn't you just post this? "...What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.." |
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Posted by docstox on Wed Jul 1 22:24:52 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 1 22:23:05 2009. Standard liberal operating procedure from the Alinsky school.Denigrate and humiliate your adversary to make him or her look uneducated so the message is not even heard. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Jul 1 22:30:15 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 1 22:23:05 2009. The quote doesn't cover any new ground. I agree with it in principle although it's somewhat simplistic. Or maybe I over-complicate things. Whatever...Serious question. Did you switch ideologies after reading Atlas Shrugged? What was the turning point? You indicated before that it was somewhat rapid. I think that you said that you were a teacher. Maybe you and the class read Ayn Rand and she turned you out. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 1 22:33:21 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by docstox on Wed Jul 1 22:21:52 2009. Excellent. Always love to hear a great capitalist story. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 1 22:34:08 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by SMAZ on Wed Jul 1 22:24:51 2009. You really are not too bright, are you? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 1 22:35:11 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by docstox on Wed Jul 1 22:21:52 2009. GE stocks might do well. But you'll end up paying a far greater gains tax if Obama gets his way. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 1 22:37:14 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Easy on Wed Jul 1 22:30:15 2009. Your preoccupation with my evolution is puzzling. Why don't you explain how you know that obama's policies have got to lead to disaster but can't bring yourself to say so for pigmentary reasons? |
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Posted by docstox on Wed Jul 1 22:40:09 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 1 22:35:11 2009. I was figuring GE to benefit with railroad engine construction.Plus, they pay a nice dividend as well.You are right about higher Cap Gain tax.But, a profit is a profit.I'd love to continue to pay 15% long term cap gain but if Obama raises it to 35%, I'll work with it as long as I am making money. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 1 22:41:33 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 1 22:35:11 2009. The fact is that while the mindless minions (liberal lemmings) march blindly into the the (global warming) sea, they don't realize how badly they are being played. Nancy Pelosi owns over $100,000 in stock in a comany the sells green technology while at the same time the inconvenient truth is that Al Gore owns an I.T. company that sells software that enables companies to measure their carbon footprint. Watch fo this software to be required in the near future.Lemmings, are you listening? |
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Posted by docstox on Wed Jul 1 22:42:36 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 1 22:33:21 2009. Thanks.I was a self employed health professional with an office for 25 years then decided to study 3 or 4 books on technical analysis for a few years.I sold my practice and started full time investment.Now I can say like Hyman Roth in Godfather II, "I'm a retired investor living on a pension"LOL! |
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Posted by docstox on Wed Jul 1 22:44:55 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 1 22:41:33 2009. What stock does Pelosi and Gore own? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 1 22:45:11 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by docstox on Wed Jul 1 22:42:36 2009. Love it. My cousin worked for Grumman Aerospace back in the LEM days - he took up investing and never looked back. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 1 22:45:36 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by docstox on Wed Jul 1 22:44:55 2009. I'm looking for the link now |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Jul 1 22:45:37 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 1 22:33:21 2009. Excellent. Always love to hear a great capitalist story.I like the one where the banks and their executives made out like bandits, then melted down the financial system, destroyed the economy and then were bailed out by people like Train Dude, and the executives then used Train Dude's money on bonuses and fancy stuff for themselves while laughing their asses off the entire time. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jul 1 22:46:36 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 1 22:41:33 2009. The hypocrisy exists both ways; to imply that it exists ONLY on the left is irresponsible. That is a long-known fact. It doesn't make it right, but to say that ONLY the left does this is lying.It's called cronyism. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 1 22:48:12 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by docstox on Wed Jul 1 22:44:55 2009. http://www.theresilientearth.com/?q=content/nancy-pelosi-gets-250k-being-greenStart here |
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Posted by docstox on Wed Jul 1 22:48:50 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by SMAZ on Wed Jul 1 22:45:37 2009. Yep, even a beautiful woman has a pimple on her arse.Move to Cuba and you will never have to hear about this again. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 1 22:49:18 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by SMAZ on Wed Jul 1 22:45:37 2009. Once again, you can't refute the facts so you personalize the argument. My previous commet stands. You are not too bright. |
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Posted by docstox on Wed Jul 1 22:49:28 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 1 22:48:12 2009. OK, thanks. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Jul 1 22:51:13 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 1 22:37:14 2009. I guess that I find it fascinating that people can do a 180 like that. Charlton Heston is a great example. Also, I know several people that turned conservative after reading Ayn Rand. Many more after being "born again" but you don't seem that type.I don't post much about Obama's policies one way or the other. I did say that I didn't think that his choice for the next Supreme Court justice was a good one. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jul 1 22:57:33 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by docstox on Wed Jul 1 22:21:52 2009. Me too.Made tons of money in the market during the Bush years and did not get blown up by a terrorist attack.I retired at age 50 in 2001 when Bush took office.Now I've got to figure out stocks that will benefit from an 8 year Obama run.There will be sectors that benefit.if Cap and Trade goes in, wind power,solar and railroads should do well.Lot's of carbon spewing trucks can be repalced with a 100 car freight train!1. That we were NOT attacked under Bush since 9/11 is at least part coincidence; the ONLY way in which we can EVER be less safe is if all of the systems are completely dismantled. 2. The stocks that would benefit are probably the same ones that benefited under Bush 43; however, that there was an immense bubble that built up (i.e., stocks that were priced much more than their true worth) cannot be ruled out. 3. Cap and Trade is DEAD ON ARRIVAL in the Senate (remember that it only passed the House by 2 votes, 219-212 with four abstentions, with 8 Republicans needed just to get it through). I see at least 44-45 senators supporting a filibuster (Arlen Specter, Bob Casey, Jr., Blanche Lincoln, Mark Pryor, and Robert Byrd would likely lead the way). If you think this country is going to be THAT bad under Obama, think again, considering the above refutals. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Jul 1 22:57:36 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 1 22:17:10 2009. i know train dude ! you only care about YOURSELF |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Jul 1 22:59:37 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 1 22:10:45 2009. thats not what i said 1st of all .... |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jul 1 23:02:53 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jul 1 22:57:33 2009. To add about C&T: The House reps that ultimately got it passed are all from NJ. Why is this significant? Because NJ stands to benefit from C&T, as it derives more power than not from nuclear energy (the state has four nuclear power plants). |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 1 23:03:11 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Jul 1 22:59:37 2009. I'm sure it's not what you meant to say. Don't sweat it . . . |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Jul 1 23:05:05 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 1 23:03:11 2009. sure:) k |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Jul 1 23:05:23 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Jul 1 22:57:36 2009. I know train dude ! you only care about YOURSELFActually he's very generous. He seems to be very happy getting fleeced by billionaires and looks foward to giving them even more. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jul 1 23:06:16 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by docstox on Wed Jul 1 22:24:52 2009. OR, show how it cannot possibly follow from logic. Some claims from conservative America this year have made me wonder: Where are they getting this from? |
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Posted by docstox on Wed Jul 1 23:07:11 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jul 1 22:57:33 2009. I don't care about the reasons we were not attacked under Bush, all I know is I'm still here!Interesting point on Cap and Trade in the Senate.Maybe it will end up like the Clinton BTU Bill that died in the Senate after narrowly passing the House. I'll make money in an eight year Obama Administration like I made with Carter, Ragan, Bush 1, Clinton and Bush 2.Check out the Dow charts since 1976 and you will see what I mean.Dems or Reps, profits are there long or short. |
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Posted by docstox on Wed Jul 1 23:09:07 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jul 1 23:06:16 2009. They can be as crazy as the liberals. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jul 1 23:09:29 2009, in response to Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 1 21:43:14 2009. Imagine for a moment that you are not executive management at NYCT. You are, instead, a disabled individual whose only hope for continued survival is SSI/SSD, Medicaid, and Section 8.Rogers asserts, "When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them." Should you then be forced to die, because government should not be "taking care" of you? "Are there not prisons? Are there not workhouses?"--Ebenezer Scrooge, in Charles Dickens' A Christmas Carol. I understand and expect that a portion of my taxes will be used to care for the poor, disabled, and orphaned. God help us, as a nation of decent people, if we ever let our government stop looking after those in desperate straits. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Wed Jul 1 23:11:26 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jul 1 22:57:33 2009. If you think this country is going to be THAT bad under ObamaOn foreign policy, I think that the President has been mediocre, like most of his predecessors. Nothing spectacular, nothing bloody awful. Foreign policy is where any President has the most power. On domestic policy, where his power is of course shared with Congress (you know, the opposite of Progress), I am starting to fear that he may turn out to be atrocious. I think of myself as a market liberal - government's job is to solve coordination problems, try to promote equal opportunity, and to provide conditions for the rising economic tide that will lift all boats. The prior regimes (President + Congress) were fairly inept at domestic policy, but the latest initiatives are just plain scaring me. The energy bill shows little chance of promoting the goal that it sets out to (significantly reducing greenhouse gas emissions and reversing global warming), while suggesting a decent chance that the cost of living will accelerate. The healthcare legislation is vague in the extreme - it's a black box at this point. The bailouts and TARP 2.0, while not originally the brain child of this administration, have nonetheless been adopted, tend to sicken me. I find his choice of a Supreme Court Justice not unreasonable, but not exactly in the class of people that I was thinking of, etc. Overall then, for me, President Obama's tenure with the current Congress has been disappointing. |
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