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Posted by AlM on Thu Oct 23 11:59:32 2008, in response to Obama Brownshirts Shoot Up Florida House of McCain Supporter, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Oct 23 11:48:05 2008. If this doesn't bother you, it should. What's going to happen to you if you happen to disagree with Obama on some issue?Are you saying that the only people inclined to political violence in the United States are Obama supporters? That there has been no right wing political violence whatsoever in recent years? It's deplorable that it happens at all, but I don't see why you think it's associated with only one side of the political spectrum. Also, many of these left wingers aren't going to be Obama supproters either if he gets elected. See the thread on What the Left Wing Thinks about Obana. It's not very positive. He's much too conservative for them. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Thu Oct 23 12:05:11 2008, in response to Re: Obama Brownshirts Shoot Up Florida House of McCain Supporter, posted by AlM on Thu Oct 23 11:59:32 2008. So if these aren't left wingers, who are they? |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Oct 23 12:07:06 2008, in response to Obama Brownshirts Shoot Up Florida House of McCain Supporter, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Oct 23 11:48:05 2008. LOL! There's no evidence that he was targeted because of McCain campaign signs which would likely be very common in his heavily Republican district. That was the excuse that he gave.I know the former mayor of an upscale Orange County city who put out Obama signs last week and when he woke up in the morning they were still there, but they had been covered over with McCain signs. Kind of funny, but that shows were we are. And besides you already said that Israel was your country. Reconsidering? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Oct 23 12:07:07 2008, in response to Re: Obama Brownshirts Shoot Up Florida House of McCain Supporter, posted by AlM on Thu Oct 23 11:59:32 2008. That there has been no right wing political violence whatsoever in recent years?There's a notable disparity in the frequency of criminal acts (which includes vandalism) which demonstrates the left to be more prone to these sorts of things. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Oct 23 12:09:35 2008, in response to Re: Obama Brownshirts Shoot Up Florida House of McCain Supporter, posted by Easy on Thu Oct 23 12:07:06 2008. There's the difference in a nutshell....put up Obama signs, the other side covers them. Put up McCain signs, get your house shot up.I have a neighbor who keeps having her McCain signs stolen. She always puts them back, and adds an extra. She has 8 of them up now, and counting. (I can't get her to take down the "Serph's Up" stuff, unfortunatley) |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Oct 23 12:09:43 2008, in response to Re: Obama Brownshirts Shoot Up Florida House of McCain Supporter, posted by AlM on Thu Oct 23 11:59:32 2008. Are you saying that the only people inclined to political violence in the United States are Obama supporters?Not only that, but any violence or vandalism against a McCain supporer must have been perpetrated by an Obama supporter. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Oct 23 12:10:35 2008, in response to Re: Obama Brownshirts Shoot Up Florida House of McCain Supporter, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Oct 23 12:09:43 2008. It's a safe bet. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Oct 23 12:11:01 2008, in response to Re: Obama Brownshirts Shoot Up Florida House of McCain Supporter, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Oct 23 12:05:11 2008. ???The specific people in the article are presumably left wingers. Why do you ask? I didn't ever say otherwise. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Thu Oct 23 12:15:43 2008, in response to Re: Obama Brownshirts Shoot Up Florida House of McCain Supporter, posted by Easy on Thu Oct 23 12:07:06 2008. "And besides you already said that Israel was your country."I have NEVER said that and never will. I am as American as you are and am loyal to THIS country first. |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Oct 23 12:17:24 2008, in response to Re: Obama Brownshirts Shoot Up Florida House of McCain Supporter, posted by AlM on Thu Oct 23 12:11:01 2008. Why are you assuming that they are? Just because he said that the only reason that he could think of were the signs that he put up? Why just his house and not others? His story sounds really suspect if you ask me. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Oct 23 12:18:00 2008, in response to Re: Obama Brownshirts Shoot Up Florida House of McCain Supporter, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Oct 23 12:07:07 2008. There's a notable disparity in the frequency of criminal acts (which includes vandalism) which demonstrates the left to be more prone to these sorts of things.Well, right wing violence seems to have decreased in recent years, but it hasn't gone away. For example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion-related_violence |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Oct 23 12:18:32 2008, in response to Re: Obama Brownshirts Shoot Up Florida House of McCain Supporter, posted by Easy on Thu Oct 23 12:17:24 2008. Why are you assuming that they are?To give you a taste of how it would be if you were watching the MSM and this exact same thing happened to an Obama supporter. |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Oct 23 12:19:44 2008, in response to Re: Obama Brownshirts Shoot Up Florida House of McCain Supporter, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Oct 23 12:15:43 2008. In some thread about the middle east you said something to the effect of "They don't want me to have a country." I responded asking if you were American, but you didn't reply. |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Oct 23 12:21:02 2008, in response to Re: Obama Brownshirts Shoot Up Florida House of McCain Supporter, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Oct 23 12:18:32 2008. I'd like to say that you're wrong, but you're probably not. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Oct 23 12:23:04 2008, in response to Re: Obama Brownshirts Shoot Up Florida House of McCain Supporter, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Oct 23 12:09:35 2008. There's the difference in a nutshell....put up Obama signs, the other side covers them. Put up McCain signs, get your house shot up.Sure, take two examples from opposite ends of the country and call them typical experiences. I wonder what would happen to someone who put up an Obama sign in rural Alabama. There's one guy in my neighborhood who keeps getting his Obama sign vandalized. The first one was just knocked down, second one was ripped up, third was crumpled and left where it was, fourth one endedup behind the bushes in front of the house. No other Obama signs have been touched, nor have any McCain signs. Can you say for sure the vandal was acting solely on the part of the McCain campaign? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 23 12:26:40 2008, in response to Re: Obama Brownshirts Shoot Up Florida House of McCain Supporter, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Oct 23 12:23:04 2008. Why does everything always have to be rationalized when it's something "from the left". I don't get it. You guys have a rationalization for everything....right down to someone actually saying that ACORN is "non-partisan". I don't get it. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Thu Oct 23 12:26:45 2008, in response to Re: Obama Brownshirts Shoot Up Florida House of McCain Supporter, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Oct 23 12:23:04 2008. That was damage to the sign only. Was the person's house damaged? |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Thu Oct 23 12:28:01 2008, in response to Re: Obama Brownshirts Shoot Up Florida House of McCain Supporter, posted by Easy on Thu Oct 23 12:19:44 2008. I never said any of that. Go back and read that thread again. It wasn't me. I do agree that Arabs don't want Israel to exist but had you asked me the latter question, I would have answered YES. |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Oct 23 12:29:22 2008, in response to Re: Obama Brownshirts Shoot Up Florida House of McCain Supporter, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Oct 23 12:28:01 2008. I apologize if I'm not remembering correctly. |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Oct 23 12:30:48 2008, in response to Re: Obama Brownshirts Shoot Up Florida House of McCain Supporter, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 23 12:26:40 2008. The signs belonging to the guy in the first post weren't even damaged. There's no evidence that the shooting had anything to do with the signs. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Oct 23 13:44:46 2008, in response to Re: Obama Brownshirts Shoot Up Florida House of McCain Supporter, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Oct 23 12:26:45 2008. That was damage to the sign only. Was the person's house damaged?Not that I'm aware, although I know people with Obama bumper stickers who have had their cars damaged. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 23 13:48:08 2008, in response to Re: Obama Brownshirts Shoot Up Florida House of McCain Supporter, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Oct 23 13:44:46 2008. LOL, and it doesn't happen the other way? You probably didn't hear it from all "your" friends with their "McCain" stickers:http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=mccain+sticker+car+damaged&aq=f&oq= |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Oct 23 14:08:08 2008, in response to Re: Obama Brownshirts Shoot Up Florida House of McCain Supporter, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 23 13:48:08 2008. LOL, and it doesn't happen the other way? You probably didn't hear it from all "your" friends with their "McCain" stickers:I never said it only happens one way. There seems to be a belief among a select few on this board that Obama supporters have a monopoly on campaign-related violence and that any act of violence or vandalism against a McCain supporter must have been perpetrated by an Obama supporter acting in an official capacity for the Obama campaign. I don't personally know any McCain supporters who have been the victims of any vandalism or violence, but I've seen two letters to the editor in the newspaper from people whose McCain signs have been stolen. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 23 14:28:18 2008, in response to Re: Obama Brownshirts Shoot Up Florida House of McCain Supporter, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Oct 23 14:08:08 2008. It's not so much the people here as it is the media that seems to focus more on the Obama supporters who have been victimized. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Oct 23 14:40:53 2008, in response to Re: Obama Brownshirts Shoot Up Florida House of McCain Supporter, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 23 14:28:18 2008. It's not so much the people here as it is the media that seems to focus more on the Obama supporters who have been victimized.That's debatable. Your "mccain sticker car damaged" gets 41,600 hits on Google versus 51,100 for "obama sticker car damaged." Change it to "mccain sign house vandalized," and you get 383,000 hits versus 213,000 for "obama sign house vandalized." |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 23 14:50:41 2008, in response to Re: Obama Brownshirts Shoot Up Florida House of McCain Supporter, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Oct 23 14:40:53 2008. How many are duplicates on the Democratic blogs though? (Or Rightist blogs for that matter). All your scenario shows it sthat one is talked about more than the other. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Oct 23 15:05:31 2008, in response to Re: Obama Brownshirts Shoot Up Florida House of McCain Supporter, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 23 14:50:41 2008. How many are duplicates on the Democratic blogs though? (Or Rightist blogs for that matter). All your scenario shows it sthat one is talked about more than the other.We're measuring media coverage (i.e., how much one versus the other "is talked about"), not actual incidents. I'm sure most such incidents go unreported, regardless of party affiliation. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 23 15:10:36 2008, in response to Re: Obama Brownshirts Shoot Up Florida House of McCain Supporter, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Oct 23 15:05:31 2008. Right so the Leftist media is talking more about the Obama incidents. Isn't that what everyone is saying usually happens? The point? |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Oct 23 15:18:29 2008, in response to Re: Obama Brownshirts Shoot Up Florida House of McCain Supporter, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 23 15:10:36 2008. Right so the Leftist media is talking more about the Obama incidents.No, there are 60% more articles about the McCain incidents (based on the two Google searches presented). I'd guess given all possible permutations of searches, the coverage (and number of incidents) is about equal from both sides. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Oct 23 15:51:46 2008, in response to Re: Obama Brownshirts Shoot Up Florida House of McCain Supporter, posted by AlM on Thu Oct 23 11:59:32 2008. Are you saying that the only people inclined to political violence in the United States are Obama supporters?No, he's not. Please grow up. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Oct 23 17:04:55 2008, in response to Obama Brownshirts Shoot Up Florida House of McCain Supporter, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Oct 23 11:48:05 2008. Democrats have (gasp!) GUNS? I thought they all turned theirs in years ago. :) |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Oct 23 17:16:12 2008, in response to Obama Brownshirts Shoot Up Florida House of McCain Supporter, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Oct 23 11:48:05 2008. "What's going to happen to you if you happen to disagree with Obama on some issue?"We've already seen it. They're "get in your face", they'll be destroyed, dirt will be dug up about you, etc. They won't "show you some love" "merci boucoup". Now we know what Stalin or Africa is like. |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Oct 23 18:09:04 2008, in response to Re: Obama Brownshirts Shoot Up Florida House of McCain Supporter, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Oct 23 12:28:01 2008. This is the thread that I was referring to. So when you said "My country" You must have meant the US. In the context of what was being discussed it seemed like you meant Israel. |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Oct 23 18:22:54 2008, in response to Re: Obama Brownshirts Shoot Up Florida House of McCain Supporter, posted by Easy on Thu Oct 23 18:09:04 2008. Oops. This is the thread. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Oct 23 19:36:55 2008, in response to Re: Obama Brownshirts Shoot Up Florida House of McCain Supporter, posted by Easy on Thu Oct 23 18:22:54 2008. Are you one of those people who go on about their "african heritage", celebrate feburary, belong to or are okey with African centric churches, like "Reverend" Wrights, or think Obama will be a good candidate just because he is black?Or have no problem with others being that way? Or is this a nonsensical practice of hypocracy using anti-semitic talking points? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Oct 23 22:38:45 2008, in response to Re: Obama Brownshirts Shoot Up Florida House of McCain Supporter, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Oct 23 19:36:55 2008. Looks like all of the above. (Remember, I said "looks like".) |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Oct 23 22:52:59 2008, in response to Re: Obama Brownshirts Shoot Up Florida House of McCain Supporter, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Oct 23 22:38:45 2008. There are people who say there's no such thing as xxx-american, you're all American(assuming that you're a citizen). And there's others who keep their identity to some degree, Little Havana, taking off on Yom Kippur, etc.I don't care which side people are on, but if someone is going to start a fight that you're doing B when you should be doing A, and that person is doing B themselves in some capacity, come on. Who wants to be a hypocrit. And I've seen the talking point too from not so good people, but that's another topic. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Oct 24 02:58:21 2008, in response to Re: Obama Brownshirts Shoot Up Florida House of McCain Supporter, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Oct 23 19:36:55 2008. You are full of it..I could ask you the very same questions.. Are You Jewish.. Italian... Irish.. English..? Russian..or any of the "imports" that claim this land as their own...? Sorry...unless You have NATIVE BLOOD running in Your veins..then You and everyone else here is a SWATTER. Oh as for FEBURARY...its a bullshit token tossed at People of Color as a bone..it the coldest month of the year..with the shortest days...who gives a shit? I don't. And even if we did own up to being PRO BLACK...SO What? I own up to it DAILY...and don't give a damn what any of you scum sucking river rats say about it.. Get over yourselves. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Oct 24 03:25:54 2008, in response to Obama Brownshirts Shoot Up Florida House of McCain Supporter, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Oct 23 11:48:05 2008. How do you know it wasn't some unrelated business dispute? How do you know it wasn't the husband of some woman he was banging?I think we should let law enforcement figure out who did this. The article relays the Republicans' accusations that it was a left winger, but we don't know who did it. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Oct 24 03:32:47 2008, in response to Re: Obama Brownshirts Shoot Up Florida House of McCain Supporter, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Oct 23 19:36:55 2008. Man ... there's a loaded question ... heh.Here's one that oughta piss people off ... point made on TBN earlier tonight. WHY IS IT that "Christian churches are SEEN on TV, and EVERY religion clearly places itself on television for non-believers to witness and YET ... NO SYNAGOGUE is seen by Americans who want to know what's going on there and what they're trying to do to Jesus?" Oh yeah, the whole point of the show was "McCain is Jesus" ... :-\ So if we're going to attack "black victimization" ... then what is all this "Anti-Godwin law" of calling anything that moves "anti-semitic?" If ONE thing is a cop-out, then SO is the other. :( |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Oct 24 11:55:29 2008, in response to Re: Obama Brownshirts Shoot Up Florida House of McCain Supporter, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Oct 23 12:23:04 2008. Sure, take two examples from opposite ends of the country and call them typical experiences. Why not? It's the left's SOP, yet no one calls them on the carpet for it. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Oct 24 11:58:29 2008, in response to Re: Obama Brownshirts Shoot Up Florida House of McCain Supporter, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 23 12:26:40 2008. I get it. Years and years of watching an MSM or attending a college in which leftist principles go unchallenged. OTOH, conservatives have to learn to argue their positions well to shield themselves from said institutions who will pounce on the slightest hypocricy once it's presented. It's why conservatives sound smarter (well, just one reason anyway). The arrogance and the hypocricy of the left are probably the two greatest reasons I converted to conservatism 14-15 years ago. |
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Re: People are just Stupid on BOTH Ends Obama Brownshirts Shoot Up Florida House of McCain Supporter |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Oct 24 12:00:00 2008, in response to Obama Brownshirts Shoot Up Florida House of McCain Supporter, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Oct 23 11:48:05 2008. Nobody has the right to deface anybodys property because they dont "like" who they are voting for or supporting Period!!How small have people become.... *Shakes Head* |
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Re: People are just Stupid on BOTH Ends Obama Brownshirts Shoot Up Florida House of McCain Supporter |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Oct 24 12:15:46 2008, in response to Re: People are just Stupid on BOTH Ends Obama Brownshirts Shoot Up Florida House of McCain Supporter, posted by Railman718 on Fri Oct 24 12:00:00 2008. You're correct, of course. But we're not arguing over which side defaces more signs, we're arguing over how some very powerful people react to one over the other. |
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Re: People are just Stupid on BOTH Ends Obama Brownshirts Shoot Up Florida House of McCain Supporter |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Oct 24 12:28:46 2008, in response to Re: People are just Stupid on BOTH Ends Obama Brownshirts Shoot Up Florida House of McCain Supporter, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Oct 24 12:15:46 2008. some very powerful people react to one over the otherWhich is itself very small.. Just my opinion though... |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Oct 24 13:28:05 2008, in response to Re: Obama Brownshirts Shoot Up Florida House of McCain Supporter, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Oct 24 11:58:29 2008. I get it. Years and years of watching an MSM or attending a college in which leftist principles go unchallenged.I don't watch television and the only two political science classes I've ever taken were both taught by another "converted" conservative, Fred Seigel. Try again. OTOH, conservatives have to learn to argue their positions well to shield themselves from said institutions who will pounce on the slightest hypocricy once it's presented. It's why conservatives sound smarter (well, just one reason anyway). It's why conservatives sound like drones who end up repeating the same argument almost verbatim, even when it doesn't come close to meshing with the truth. The arrogance and the hypocricy of the left are probably the two greatest reasons I converted to conservatism 14-15 years ago. The dysfunction and misanthropy of the right have been steadily turning me off to conservatism for the past ten years. I would have preferred McCain to Al Gore in 2000, or Colin Powell to Bill Clinton in 1996. |
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