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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Sep 26 21:37:15 2008, in response to Debate!!!!, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Sep 26 21:27:14 2008. That it is all about the economy is no surprise. That is what this election is going to be a referendum on: who can best lead the US through these bad domestic times...if it remains on this, advantage Obama. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Sep 26 21:39:14 2008, in response to Re: Debate!!!!, posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Sep 26 21:37:15 2008. Why? Are you watching it? It's a tie if you ask me. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Sep 26 21:48:40 2008, in response to Re: Debate!!!!, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Sep 26 21:39:14 2008. Wow. Obama sounds just like Keith Olbermann attacking McCain on the troop surge. No questions about either candidate have been answered so far. Just the same arguing you hear on MSNBC and FOX NEWS nightly. |
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Posted by WillD on Fri Sep 26 21:52:52 2008, in response to Re: Debate!!!!, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Sep 26 21:48:40 2008. Yeah, cause McCain's harping on his 'record' with spending and his purported foreign policy experience isn't drawn directly from talking points. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Sep 26 21:59:24 2008, in response to Re: Debate!!!!, posted by WillD on Fri Sep 26 21:52:52 2008. And the point that you are trying to make, is? |
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Posted by WillD on Fri Sep 26 22:03:36 2008, in response to Re: Debate!!!!, posted by Train Dude on Fri Sep 26 21:59:24 2008. Just pointing out that Luch's observation about how close both candidates are sticking to their talking points works both ways. Sadly for McCain that means reinforcing his position as a two note song, harping away on spending and Iraq. It doesn't help that McCain is looking a bit like Nixon up there, trying desperately not to reach up and wipe his brow. |
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Posted by WillD on Fri Sep 26 22:14:10 2008, in response to Debate!!!!, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Sep 26 21:27:14 2008. Haha, I like McCain's "idea" to make another UN. Because that's the mark of good foreign policy: when you can't deal with some power you just walk away and form another body to do the same thing while excluding them. What the hell makes him think the other democracies will even go along with us? We're the goddamn ones who have simply ignored the UN's recommendations of late, China and Russia simply obstruct the process. Why the hell would France, Britain, Germany, or any other democracy worth its salt want to go form another body with a country that routinely ignores the recommendations of the body they're protesting? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Sep 26 22:15:00 2008, in response to Re: Debate!!!!, posted by WillD on Fri Sep 26 22:03:36 2008. Too bad you don't have an open mind. Preconceived notions that everything is "sadly for McCain" or "good for Obama" mean you'll come away from the debate learning nothing. |
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Posted by WillD on Fri Sep 26 22:18:33 2008, in response to Re: Debate!!!!, posted by Train Dude on Fri Sep 26 22:15:00 2008. Ditto bitch. I actually was having fun with it, trying to see how I could find some common ground with McCain's positions. But once he resorted to squawking "Cut spending" and "Drill here" every 10 seconds in the first hour of the debate I lost hope. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Sep 26 22:18:55 2008, in response to Re: Debate!!!!, posted by Train Dude on Fri Sep 26 22:15:00 2008. Yup...he's predetermined to hate McCain on the debate, and predeterimined to eat up everything Obama says.I say so far....both are doing well. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Sep 26 22:20:00 2008, in response to Re: Debate!!!!, posted by WillD on Fri Sep 26 22:18:33 2008. You lost hope before you turned on the debate tonight. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Sep 26 22:21:22 2008, in response to Re: Debate!!!!, posted by WillD on Fri Sep 26 22:18:33 2008. Please, you weren't planning to give McCain any sort of credibility even before the debates began. |
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Posted by WillD on Fri Sep 26 22:23:29 2008, in response to Re: Debate!!!!, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Sep 26 22:21:22 2008. And you know this how exactly? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Sep 26 22:28:06 2008, in response to Re: Debate!!!!, posted by WillD on Fri Sep 26 22:23:29 2008. Just by how you do nothing but bash the Republicans here, and nothing but praise the Democrats. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Sep 26 22:30:40 2008, in response to Re: Debate!!!!, posted by Train Dude on Fri Sep 26 22:15:00 2008. Yes, I have an open mind. . .neither candidate is qualified for the job.Obama has zero international policy experience. McCain already did the first flip-flop (not debating, then changing his mind), and he is yet to win in 70 days. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Sep 26 22:32:39 2008, in response to Re: Debate!!!!, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Sep 26 22:30:40 2008. Correction, should be 40 days, approx. |
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Posted by WillD on Fri Sep 26 22:36:44 2008, in response to Re: Debate!!!!, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Sep 26 22:28:06 2008. I agree with many of McCain's points. I believe nuclear power could provide a useful bulk power source without a carbon impact. I find it objectionable, but offshore drilling could provide a low cost privately financed alternative for the near term. However, that path can only be taken if we also look to develop long term alternatives.McCain may represent these ideas, but he comes with a ridiculous amount of baggage from Dubya's presidency. We cannot afford another four years of a president who waves away deficit spending for international entanglements with one hand while invoking spending cuts to justify slashing domestic services. Fundamentally our foreign policy is our energy policy, and our energy policy is our transportation policy. Only one candidate even momentarily touched on that issue tonight, and that's the candidate I will gladly support. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Sep 26 22:38:29 2008, in response to Re: Debate!!!!, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Sep 26 22:30:40 2008. So you are so fucking stupid to think that he would miss the debate and let Obama show up alone? You really are a simpleton. Of course he showed up. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Sep 26 22:40:05 2008, in response to Re: Debate!!!!, posted by WillD on Fri Sep 26 22:36:44 2008. Do you really believe McCain would handle things the same way Bush did? Ask yourself how much different America would be if McCain won in 2000. Things would be very different. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Sep 26 22:45:46 2008, in response to Re: Debate!!!!, posted by WillD on Fri Sep 26 22:18:33 2008. You think, drop out? Loved the way Obama kept saying "John is right!" or "I agree with John!"With your political insight, I can see why you washed out of school - fool! |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Sep 26 22:48:01 2008, in response to Re: Debate!!!!, posted by Train Dude on Fri Sep 26 22:45:46 2008. Did he wash out? I thought someone recognized him from school this semester. I know I read some kind of exchange with WillD and another chatter about school this year. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Sep 26 22:53:02 2008, in response to Re: Debate!!!!, posted by Train Dude on Fri Sep 26 22:45:46 2008. Get help. You can't fool us since you weren't the only one watching. You realize others have radio and TV? Obama would agree when McCain would BRING UP AN ISSUE, but they disagreed on methods of tackling the issues. McCain said nothing about education, healthcare, infrastructure, mind you...and he started using "main street" after Barack to sound more appealing. Not to mention all the fake emotional crap he brought up..."I love the veterans"..."Sike!" |
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Posted by WillD on Fri Sep 26 22:53:38 2008, in response to Re: Debate!!!!, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Sep 26 22:40:05 2008. Of course, the 2000 model year run of McCain was the one that managed to excellently sum up what I think much of this nation feels on extremists by saying:Neither party should be defined by pandering to the outer reaches of American politics and the agents of intolerance, whether they be Louis Farrakhan or Al Sharpton on the left, or Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell on the right.Then there must have been some foul up in the production run because the 2007 model ran out and kissed Falwell's ring so fast you'd think he was proposing to his hot wife after dumping his disfigured one. |
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Posted by phxtusbusfan on Fri Sep 26 22:55:14 2008, in response to Debate!!!!, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Sep 26 21:27:14 2008. Honestly, I think McCain won the debate on substance and Obama won it on style. |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Sep 26 22:56:29 2008, in response to Re: Debate!!!!, posted by phxtusbusfan on Fri Sep 26 22:55:14 2008. Funny... I thought the reverse. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Sep 26 22:56:39 2008, in response to Re: Debate!!!!, posted by phxtusbusfan on Fri Sep 26 22:55:14 2008. I think McCain was more stylish in his debating, however. |
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Posted by phxtusbusfan on Fri Sep 26 22:58:26 2008, in response to Re: Debate!!!!, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Sep 26 22:56:39 2008. McCain did a GOOD job. He showed up everyone who said he didn't want to debate because he was unprepared. I still support Obama (I am way too liberal for McCain) but honestly I think McCain knows how to debate. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Sep 26 23:01:23 2008, in response to Re: Debate!!!!, posted by phxtusbusfan on Fri Sep 26 22:58:26 2008. And Obama showed up everyone who said he was inexperienced...and showed that McCain didn't sominate the debate. |
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Posted by phxtusbusfan on Fri Sep 26 23:02:41 2008, in response to Re: Debate!!!!, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Sep 26 23:01:23 2008. Honestly, I think McCain won the first 30 minutes, the second 30 minutes were a draw, and Obama won the next 25 minutes but McCain ended the debate better than Obama did. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Sep 26 23:04:27 2008, in response to Re: Debate!!!!, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Sep 26 22:38:29 2008. You ask for thoughts and then give this reply? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Sep 26 23:05:41 2008, in response to Re: Debate!!!!, posted by R30A on Fri Sep 26 22:56:29 2008. Why? What was said to make you come to that conclusion? |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Sep 26 23:07:15 2008, in response to Re: Debate!!!!, posted by phxtusbusfan on Fri Sep 26 23:02:41 2008. I actually liked Obama's ending more.And Al Gore will be up McCAIN's behind for releasing more hot air during the debate. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Sep 26 23:07:38 2008, in response to Re: Debate!!!!, posted by R30A on Fri Sep 26 22:56:29 2008. Why? What was said to make you come to that conclusion?This debate was just like listening cable news. The points and counter-points were the same. Nothing Olbermann, Hannity, and all the others have not been saying daily for months. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Sep 26 23:08:02 2008, in response to Re: Debate!!!!, posted by Train Dude on Fri Sep 26 22:45:46 2008. The other day someone said that you were one of the nicest people that he's ever met. You must be the total opposite in person from the way that you are on Subchat. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Sep 26 23:08:39 2008, in response to Re: Debate!!!!, posted by phxtusbusfan on Fri Sep 26 22:58:26 2008. Obama's lack of experience showed a little. Seemed a little nervous.So, how liberal are you? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Sep 26 23:11:41 2008, in response to Re: Debate!!!!, posted by Easy on Fri Sep 26 23:04:27 2008. Guy is a moron for thinking that this is an example of a flip-flop. It's not a campaign issue like drilling for oil, war, economy, etc........ |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Sep 26 23:16:19 2008, in response to Re: Debate!!!!, posted by Easy on Fri Sep 26 23:08:02 2008. He is.Hey, I finally saw what Selkirk looks like, is your photo available for public viewing? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Sep 26 23:23:31 2008, in response to Re: Debate!!!!, posted by Easy on Fri Sep 26 23:08:02 2008. I tend to deal with people as they deal with me. When the asshole referred to me as a bitch, then the gloves came off. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Sep 26 23:24:50 2008, in response to Re: Debate!!!!, posted by Train Dude on Fri Sep 26 23:23:31 2008. My bad. I missed that. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Sep 26 23:27:52 2008, in response to Re: Debate!!!!, posted by Easy on Fri Sep 26 23:24:50 2008. I've made my feelings known for the years that I've posted here. People who are respectful get respect. However, if you attack, my response may not be proportional. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Sep 26 23:32:04 2008, in response to Re: Debate!!!!, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Sep 26 22:40:05 2008. Based on McCain's position, I am inclined to say yes. And had McCain won in 2000, the US would have been pretty much the same, actually...and this is because of the Republican war hawks in Congress. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Sep 26 23:35:27 2008, in response to Re: Debate!!!!, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Sep 26 23:11:41 2008. On which McCain is wrong on all three issues. Not only does the USA not need to drill for more oil, the US needs to learn to do with less (and as Bloomberg said...sky high fuel costs are a good thing); the US is fighting the war in Iraq the wrong way, and Iraq is NOT better off than it was (it might be rid of terrorists, but the country isn't going to stay together at all after we leave because of other factors); and McCain does not have the proper plan to lead the US out of what has become a recession. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Sep 26 23:35:59 2008, in response to Re: Debate!!!!, posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Sep 26 23:32:04 2008. I don't think McCain would've invaded Iraq. That is a major difference. |
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Posted by phxtusbusfan on Fri Sep 26 23:36:02 2008, in response to Re: Debate!!!!, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Sep 26 23:08:39 2008. I am probably a cross between Al Gore and Ralph Nader on most issues. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Sep 26 23:37:14 2008, in response to Re: Debate!!!!, posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Sep 26 23:35:27 2008. Actually, McCain is correct on all 3 issues. It is you that has taken an incorrect position on those issues. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Sep 26 23:37:50 2008, in response to Re: Debate!!!!, posted by phxtusbusfan on Fri Sep 26 23:36:02 2008. That is unfortunate. |
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Posted by phxtusbusfan on Fri Sep 26 23:38:08 2008, in response to Re: Debate!!!!, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Sep 26 23:35:59 2008. I would tend to agree with you. Had Gore won in 2000 we wouldn't have invaded Iraq either. |
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Posted by phxtusbusfan on Fri Sep 26 23:39:29 2008, in response to Re: Debate!!!!, posted by Train Dude on Fri Sep 26 23:37:50 2008. Yes, I know i'm not electable. I also know that there are holes in my positions, but I am more ideological than practical. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Sep 26 23:40:34 2008, in response to Re: Debate!!!!, posted by Train Dude on Fri Sep 26 23:37:14 2008. No actually, and the poll numbers have reflected this. So long as the economy remains at the top of priorities, McCain is going to be exposed. Extending the tax cuts would not be a wise idea...how would the US pay for the bailout? And the US is consuming WAY too much oil, and needs to learn to rely on their feet more and transit. |
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