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McCain's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement
Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 29 22:21:25 2008 edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d What goes around, comes around ... McCain seeks distance from pastor By LIBBY QUAID, Associated Press Last updated: 9:44 p.m., Friday, February 29, 2008 PHOENIX -- John McCain is refusing to renounce the endorsement of a prominent Texas televangelist who Democrats say peddles anti-Catholic and other intolerant speech. Instead, the Republican presidential candidate issued a statement Friday afternoon saying he had unspecified disagreements with the San Antonio megachurch leader, John Hagee. Hagee endorsed him at a news conference Wednesday in San Antonio. "However, in no way did I intend for his endorsement to suggest that I in turn agree with all of Pastor Hagee's views, which I obviously do not," McCain said in the statement. His campaign issued the statement after two days of criticism from the Democratic National Committee, the Catholic League and Catholics United. Democrats quoted Hagee as saying the Catholic Church conspired with Nazis against the Jews and that Hurricane Katrina was God's retribution for homosexual sin, and they recited his demeaning comments about women and flip remarks about slavery. "Hagee's hate speech has no place in public discourse, and McCain's embrace of this figure raises serious questions about John McCain's character and his willingness to do anything to win," said Tom McMahon, executive director of the Democratic National Committee. McCain was pressed on the issue Friday morning in Round Rock, Texas. Hagee "supports what I stand for and believe in," McCain said. "When he endorses me, that does not mean that I endorse everything that he stands for and believes in," McCain said. "I don't have to agree with everyone who endorses my campaign." He added that he was "proud" of Hagee's spiritual leadership of his congregation at the 17,000-member Cornerstone Church. The Catholic League and Catholics United called on McCain to reject the endorsement. "By publicly addressing this issue, you will reaffirm to the American public and to Catholics that intolerance and bigotry have no place in American presidential campaigns," Chris Korzen, executive director of Catholics United, wrote McCain in a letter sent Thursday. McCain's response to the two days of criticism stood in contrast to his rapid denunciation of a radio talk show host who denigrated Barack Obama, repeatedly using Obama's middle name, Hussein, and calling him a "hack, Chicago-style" politician. McCain immediately apologized and said he repudiated the statements of the radio host, Bill Cunningham, while warming up a Cincinnati crowd for McCain on Tuesday. "Any comment that is disparaging of either Senator Clinton or Senator Obama is totally inappropriate," McCain said at the time. (This version CORRECTS SUBS 8th graf, When he, to correct to "I endorse" sted "I embrace.")
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Posted by italianstallion* on Fri Feb 29 22:31:58 2008, in response to McCain's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 29 22:21:25 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d LOL. Let's see what our paleo-conservative claque here on OTChat has to say about this. When the Catholic League goes after a GOP politician, that's something.
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Posted by LuchAAA* on Fri Feb 29 22:40:21 2008, in response to Re: McCain's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement, posted by italianstallion on Fri Feb 29 22:31:58 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Your input been insightful, so why should anyone add to it?
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Posted by italianstallion* on Fri Feb 29 22:47:17 2008, in response to Re: McCain's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 29 22:40:21 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Thanks for the boost!
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special* on Fri Feb 29 22:57:00 2008, in response to McCain's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 29 22:21:25 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d This is the Bush televangelist buddy? I'm going to have to go through my molly ivans books since the internet isn't helping. But the internets is saying he's pro-israel so he's ok :) Although, every subject cataloged on google links to some jew conspiracy so I can't even go by that.
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Posted by Greg_UWS* on Sat Mar 1 01:41:07 2008, in response to McCain's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 29 22:21:25 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d HAHAHA! This is rich! The GOP will be stuck with the legacy of Carl Rove for years, assuring their most rabid supporters that intellectual mediocrity and divisive hate-mongering (personified in the current sitting president) is not only legitimate but the purist form of patriotism. Ya make your bed, ya sleep in it. Rove invited the Hagee's of the country into the tent. McCain has to deal with them. Or throw them out. Which he won't do.
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Posted by Train Dude* on Sat Mar 1 02:04:11 2008, in response to McCain's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 29 22:21:25 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d http://marathonpundit.blogspot.com/2008/02/obamas-bill-ayers-problem.html I realize that a doestic terrorist that set off bombs with the Weather Underground is not as damning as a man who may be anti-catholic but what the heck. (No - Obama linked to terrorists?) It'll give us a chance to see you left-wing, liberal dimmycrats spin yourself dizzy again. Face it! Not only is he totally unqualified but he comes with too much baggage and the carry-on rack is full.
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Posted by SelkirkTMO* on Sat Mar 1 02:19:53 2008, in response to Re: Obama's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement, posted by Train Dude on Sat Mar 1 02:04:11 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Interesting. Right now, I'm building a UHF transmitter and have to pay attention to that for now, but will look into this further. The blog by an unknown internet user leaves a LOT of details absent though, such as WHAT board, what influence Obama may or may not have had in his appointment and whether or not they partnered up on other things. I promise I'll look deeper but for now, I see two people in the same room and nothing more. The author of that blog should have done a bit more "journalism" before publishing ... as to Weather Underground, spot on calling them "domestic terrorists" ... some of the religious fanatics behind McCain have been involved in abortion clinic bombings and other types of "domestic terrorism" so I do need a bit more information before I'd tie those to McCain more directly or this clown to Obama. As to Hagee though, perhaps we should pay more attention to Farrakan and give him credit where it's due then ... sorry, don't think I'll let either pass ...
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com* on Sat Mar 1 02:22:30 2008, in response to McCain's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 29 22:21:25 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d SelkirkTMO tell it like it really is the mike savage / rush linberger stinking cheese section of the Republiggs are so silent it is deaf-ing !!! every democrat has to denounce everyone the republicans say is racist but thier dude gets a free pass and free admission !! yep !! triple double standard here !!
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com* on Sat Mar 1 02:24:15 2008, in response to Re: Obama's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement, posted by Train Dude on Sat Mar 1 02:04:11 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Sat Mar 1 07:01:15 2008, in response to Re: McCain's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement, posted by italianstallion on Fri Feb 29 22:31:58 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d The Catholic League and their bigmouth leader Donohue? Inconsistent and generally troublemakers. They've taken on more media significance of late, though. Why would it be out of character for them to go after a GOP politician? After all, most GOPers are Protestant.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Sat Mar 1 07:02:45 2008, in response to Re: Obama's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 1 02:19:53 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Will we be able to pick up your UHF signal on an analog TV?
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Posted by SelkirkTMO* on Sat Mar 1 08:02:48 2008, in response to Re: Obama's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Mar 1 07:02:45 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d That's the intent ... but no, I'm not planning on being a breadcaster NOR wearing the "puffy shirt" (I don't WANNA be a pirate!) ... no, has to do with our household "cable system" here. It passes along local analog channels on both VHF and UHF from antenna, and in addition to that - two DirecTV receivers, two DVD players, two VCR's as well as a computer set aside as a "video server." All of these "additional channels" can be controlled by a wireless remote in any of our many rooms where there are analog teevees, and can be seen on any on separate UHF channels for each "input." So from any teevee in the house, anything can be controlled on any channel from anywhere so one can choose what they wish the talking lamp to display. Sadly lately, might as well turn off the DirecTV receivers since we rarely watch what's on "cable" lately owing to a complete lack of options. :( We're about to add a pair of NEW channels - two "digital teevee" decoder boxes, and as such, are about to snip the antenna connection into our distribution system entirely, going instead with locall modulated signals on NEW UHF channels here which will carry the output of those two tuners on new channels. Means we can FINALLY lose some of the "cross-modulation" artifacts of passing antenna signals though our system. Problem IS, have to build two more UHF transmitters for the system along with the stereo generators to provide BTSC stereo audio as well as a modulator for the two new channels. Etched the circuit boards, mounted the components and all and one of two just was lit - second one is currently being aligned ... Output of the system is sent to a linear RF amplifier so we can watch TV outside in the summer, and some of our neighbors CAN pick up the signal, but it's pretty weak and largely unuseable. But when we've played p0rn here and there on one of the channels ... heh. Neighbor looked like "Bob" from that "woo-hoo" commercial so I guess it can be picked up. Heh.
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Re: McCain's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement
Posted by AlM* on Sat Mar 1 08:46:48 2008, in response to Re: McCain's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Mar 1 07:01:15 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Why would it be out of character for them to go after a GOP politician? Because 95% of their focus is on politicians who don't sufficiently oppose abortion.
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Posted by Fred G* on Sat Mar 1 08:59:40 2008, in response to Re: McCain's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement, posted by AlM on Sat Mar 1 08:46:48 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Their militant wing, the Knights of Columbus, are staunchly anti-gay as well. your pal, Fred
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Re: McCain's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement
Posted by RonInBayside* on Sat Mar 1 09:19:40 2008, in response to McCain's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 29 22:21:25 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d "Democrats quoted Hagee as saying the Catholic Church conspired with Nazis against the Jews" While that is an exaggeration, there is a kernel of truth in it. The Pope was, at best, an inept fool who allowed Jews to go to the ovens unaided; at worst, a tacit collaborator. The rest of Hagee's diatribe is trash, of course.
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Posted by MJF* on Sat Mar 1 09:41:48 2008, in response to Re: Obama's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Mar 1 07:02:45 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d A UHF transmitter? Are you plannig to revive "The Uncle Floyd Show"? ;-)
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special* on Sat Mar 1 09:47:41 2008, in response to Re: Obama's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement, posted by Train Dude on Sat Mar 1 02:04:11 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Saw it a week ago was hoping that it would get picked up in a better format than the one I saw. And Fox News had a whole debate on this last night. Since it's a debate channel and not a newschannel.
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Posted by SelkirkTMO* on Sat Mar 1 12:29:32 2008, in response to Re: McCain's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Mar 1 09:19:40 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d "self-preservation" at the EXPENSE of the Jews. Don't make it right either. :(
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Posted by SelkirkTMO* on Sat Mar 1 12:32:58 2008, in response to Re: Obama's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement, posted by MJF on Sat Mar 1 09:41:48 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Vivino is an old buddy of mine ... WORKED his show on 68. No, alas, nobody outside the property is gonna get a signal worth watching. But if I had an audience, Vivino is ALWAYS welcome, though best sponsor we'd have here is a diner open 6 hours a day. :)
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Posted by MJF* on Sat Mar 1 16:00:29 2008, in response to Re: Obama's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 1 12:32:58 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d OOOGIE! I guess if I want to see the show I would have to drive up to Smallbany and park outside of your property. :-)
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com* on Sat Mar 1 16:32:17 2008, in response to Re: Obama's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 1 12:32:58 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d wow a sennhieser 241u microphone
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com* on Sat Mar 1 16:32:46 2008, in response to Re: Obama's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 1 12:32:58 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d wow a sennhieser 241u microphone
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Re: McCain's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement
Posted by Chris R16/R2730* on Sat Mar 1 17:23:18 2008, in response to McCain's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 29 22:21:25 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d LOL: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,256078,00.html If anyone is too "close" to a bigoted religious favor, it's Barack Hussein Obama.
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730* on Sat Mar 1 17:23:37 2008, in response to McCain's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 29 22:21:25 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d LOL: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,256078,00.html If anyone is too "close" to a bigoted religious pastor, it's Barack Hussein Obama.
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730* on Sat Mar 1 17:25:05 2008, in response to Re: Obama's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 1 02:19:53 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Does it matter? Any connection with this nutjob is unacceptable, and you'd brook no excuse or equivocation from McCain if he was in a similar situation.
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Posted by orange blossom special* on Sat Mar 1 17:41:22 2008, in response to Re: McCain's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Mar 1 17:23:37 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d I'd much rather have the dubya televangelist. Was dubya's closest buddy, but I hear they were entertaining. There was one guy, have to remember the name, who would get on his knees and pray that a bill would get passed right there on the floor.
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Posted by Greg_UWS* on Sun Mar 2 02:30:43 2008, in response to Re: McCain's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Mar 1 17:23:18 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d (yawn)
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Re: McCain's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement
Posted by Chris R16/R2730* on Sun Mar 2 12:56:11 2008, in response to Re: McCain's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement, posted by Greg_UWS on Sun Mar 2 02:30:43 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d That's netspeak for "I got nothing to respond with".
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Posted by RonInBayside* on Sun Mar 2 16:14:58 2008, in response to Re: McCain's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Mar 2 12:56:11 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d No, it's nets[eak for "I'm bored with Chris' constant stupidity."
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Posted by SelkirkTMO* on Sun Mar 2 16:25:07 2008, in response to Re: Obama's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement, posted by MJF on Sat Mar 1 16:00:29 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Nah, we'd invite you in! :)
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Posted by MJF* on Sun Mar 2 17:50:24 2008, in response to Re: Obama's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 2 16:25:07 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d I'll bring the adult beverages!
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Posted by SelkirkTMO* on Sun Mar 2 17:56:58 2008, in response to Re: Obama's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement, posted by MJF on Sun Mar 2 17:50:24 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d And NO sippy straws! :)
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Re: Obama's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement
Posted by Train Dude* on Sun Mar 2 19:11:54 2008, in response to Re: Obama's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement, posted by Train Dude on Sat Mar 1 02:04:11 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Why should McCain reject the endorsement of anyone. They are supporting his candidacy. He is not supporting them. He does not have to endorse the politics of everyone who supports him. Beyond that, the difference with Barack Hussein Obama and Jon McCain is that Obama disavowed Farrakhan's Anti-Semitic preachings, thereby leaving the implication that he supports what he did not disavow.
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Re: Obama's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement
Posted by Easy* on Sun Mar 2 19:48:08 2008, in response to Re: Obama's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement, posted by Train Dude on Sun Mar 2 19:11:54 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d You could only get that impression from listening to other people talk about what he said. You certainly wouldn't get that from his response in the debate which is what you're alluding to. MR. RUSSERT: Senator Obama, one of the things in a campaign is that you have to react to unexpected developments. On Sunday, the headline in your hometown paper, Chicago Tribune: "Louis Farrakhan Backs Obama for President at Nation of Islam Convention in Chicago." Do you accept the support of Louis Farrakhan? SEN. OBAMA: You know, I have been very clear in my denunciation of Minister Farrakhan's anti-Semitic comments. I think that they are unacceptable and reprehensible. I did not solicit this support. He expressed pride in an African-American who seems to be bringing the country together. I obviously can't censor him, but it is not support that I sought. And we're not doing anything, I assure you, formally or informally with Minister Farrakhan. MR. RUSSERT: Do you reject his support? SEN. OBAMA: Well, Tim, you know, I can't say to somebody that he can't say that he thinks I'm a good guy. (Laughter.) You know, I -- you know, I -- I have been very clear in my denunciations of him and his past statements, and I think that indicates to the American people what my stance is on those comments. MR. RUSSERT: The problem some voters may have is, as you know, Reverend Farrakhan called Judaism "gutter religion." OBAMA: Tim, I think -- I am very familiar with his record, as are the American people. That's why I have consistently denounced it. This is not something new. This is something that -- I live in Chicago. He lives in Chicago. I've been very clear, in terms of me believing that what he has said is reprehensible and inappropriate. And I have consistently distanced myself from him. RUSSERT: The title of one of your books, "Audacity of Hope," you acknowledge you got from a sermon from Reverend Jeremiah Wright, the head of the Trinity United Church. He said that Louis Farrakhan "epitomizes greatness." He said that he went to Libya in 1984 with Louis Farrakhan to visit with Moammar Gadhafi and that, when your political opponents found out about that, quote, "your Jewish support would dry up quicker than a snowball in Hell." RUSSERT: What do you do to assure Jewish-Americans that, whether it's Farrakhan's support or the activities of Reverend Jeremiah Wright, your pastor, you are consistent with issues regarding Israel and not in any way suggesting that Farrakhan epitomizes greatness? OBAMA: Tim, I have some of the strongest support from the Jewish community in my hometown of Chicago and in this presidential campaign. And the reason is because I have been a stalwart friend of Israel's. I think they are one of our most important allies in the region, and I think that their security is sacrosanct, and that the United States is in a special relationship with them, as is true with my relationship with the Jewish community. And the reason that I have such strong support is because they know that not only would I not tolerate anti-Semitism in any form, but also because of the fact that what I want to do is rebuild what I consider to be a historic relationship between the African-American community and the Jewish community. You know, I would not be sitting here were it not for a whole host of Jewish Americans, who supported the civil rights movement and helped to ensure that justice was served in the South. And that coalition has frayed over time around a whole host of issues, and part of my task in this process is making sure that those lines of communication and understanding are reopened. But, you know, the reason that I have such strong support in the Jewish community and have historically -- it was true in my U.S. Senate campaign and it's true in this presidency -- is because the people who know me best know that I consistently have not only befriended the Jewish community, not only have I been strong on Israel, but, more importantly, I've been willing to speak out even when it is not comfortable. When I was -- just last point I would make -- when I was giving -- had the honor of giving a sermon at Ebenezer Baptist Church in conjunction with Martin Luther King's birthday in front of a large African-American audience, I specifically spoke out against anti- Semitism within the African-American community. And that's what gives people confidence that I will continue to do that when I'm president of the United States. WILLIAMS: Senator... CLINTON: I just want to add something here, because I faced a similar situation when I ran for the Senate in 2000 in New York. And in New York, there are more than the two parties, Democratic and Republican. And one of the parties at that time, the Independence Patty, was under the control of people who were anti-Semitic, anti- Israel. And I made it very clear that I did not want their support. I rejected it. I said that it would not be anything I would be comfortable with. And it looked as though I might pay a price for that. But I would not be associated with people who said such inflammatory and untrue charges against either Israel or Jewish people in our country. And, you know, I was willing to take that stand, and, you know, fortunately the people of New York supported me and I won. But at the time, I thought it was more important to stand on principle and to reject the kind of conditions that went with support like that. RUSSERT: Are you suggesting Senator Obama is not standing on principle? CLINTON: No. I'm just saying that you asked specifically if he would reject it. And there's a difference between denouncing and rejecting. And I think when it comes to this sort of, you know, inflammatory -- I have no doubt that everything that Barack just said is absolutely sincere. But I just think, we've got to be even stronger. We cannot let anyone in any way say these things because of the implications that they have, which can be so far reaching. OBAMA: Tim, I have to say I don't see a difference between denouncing and rejecting. There's no formal offer of help from Minister Farrakhan that would involve me rejecting it. But if the word "reject" Senator Clinton feels is stronger than the word "denounce," then I'm happy to concede the point, and I would reject and denounce.
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Posted by Terrapin Station* on Sun Mar 2 19:52:08 2008, in response to Re: Obama's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement, posted by Easy on Sun Mar 2 19:48:08 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d nice post
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Re: Obama's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement
Posted by Train Dude* on Sun Mar 2 21:10:14 2008, in response to Re: Obama's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement, posted by Easy on Sun Mar 2 19:48:08 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Either you did not fully read my post or did not understand the distinction. That clip does not address my point.
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Re: Obama's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement
Posted by Easy* on Sun Mar 2 21:15:55 2008, in response to Re: Obama's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement, posted by Train Dude on Sun Mar 2 21:10:14 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d He disavowed Farrakhan's comments - all of them - and his support. What else should he have said?
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Re: Obama's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement
Posted by Train Dude* on Sun Mar 2 21:18:09 2008, in response to Re: Obama's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement, posted by Easy on Sun Mar 2 21:15:55 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d He disavowed Farrakhan's antisemitic comments. He never mentioned the anti-white comments.
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Re: Obama's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement
Posted by Easy* on Sun Mar 2 21:20:57 2008, in response to Re: Obama's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement, posted by Train Dude on Sun Mar 2 21:18:09 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Are you forgetting that he's half white?
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Re: Obama's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement
Posted by R30A* on Sun Mar 2 21:21:00 2008, in response to Re: Obama's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement, posted by Train Dude on Sun Mar 2 21:18:09 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d He never mentioned any comments specifically.
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Re: Obama's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement
Posted by Train Dude* on Sun Mar 2 21:28:28 2008, in response to Re: Obama's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement, posted by Easy on Sun Mar 2 21:20:57 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Again - that doesn't address my point. Do you have any more pointless retorts to post?
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Re: Obama's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement
Posted by Train Dude* on Sun Mar 2 21:29:15 2008, in response to Re: Obama's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement, posted by R30A on Sun Mar 2 21:21:00 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d He specifically mentioned Farakhan's anti-semitic comments and positions.
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Re: Obama's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement
Posted by Easy* on Sun Mar 2 21:37:22 2008, in response to Re: Obama's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement, posted by Train Dude on Sun Mar 2 21:29:15 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d He also responded in general terms: You know, I -- you know, I -- I have been very clear in my denunciations of him and his past statements, and I think that indicates to the American people what my stance is on those comments. And what anti-white comments are you referring to?
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Re: Obama's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement
Posted by Easy* on Sun Mar 2 21:37:56 2008, in response to Re: Obama's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement, posted by Easy on Sun Mar 2 21:37:22 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Not that joke thing again...
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Re: Obama's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement
Posted by Train Dude* on Sun Mar 2 21:41:50 2008, in response to Re: Obama's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement, posted by Easy on Sun Mar 2 21:37:22 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d I already posted one of the comments and you said it was a joke. I'm quite sure that if I posted a dozen quotes you'd say that they were all jokes. If you want to be a farrakhan apopogist, then at least be honest about it.
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Re: Obama's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement
Posted by Easy* on Sun Mar 2 22:14:49 2008, in response to Re: Obama's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement, posted by Train Dude on Sun Mar 2 21:41:50 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d When was the last time that Farrakhan was relevant? The Million Man March? Maybe it's time to move on.
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Re: Obama's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement
Posted by Train Dude* on Sun Mar 2 23:12:29 2008, in response to Re: Obama's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement, posted by Easy on Sun Mar 2 22:14:49 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Rationalizations, rationalizations and more rationalizations.
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Re: Obama's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement
Posted by R30A* on Sun Mar 2 23:14:23 2008, in response to Re: Obama's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement, posted by Train Dude on Sun Mar 2 23:12:29 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d There is no need to rationalize doing nothing wrong.
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Re: Obama's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement
Posted by Train Dude* on Sun Mar 2 23:17:25 2008, in response to Re: Obama's turn to reject and renounce an endorsement, posted by R30A on Sun Mar 2 23:14:23 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d So, then, you have no problem with Farrakhan's racist positions?
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