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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 21 14:20:17 2025, in response to Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Wed May 21 14:02:44 2025. The money the public was forced to pay to keep these people (loosely-termed) alive for decades is still an injustice. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Wed May 21 15:21:50 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 21 14:20:17 2025. True. Its too bad that needed organs can't be harvested before death tosave lives and help mitigate their incarceration costs. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 21 16:17:54 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Wed May 21 15:21:50 2025. Let's not go full Red China. |
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Posted by #4SeaBeachFred on Wed May 21 16:32:03 2025, in response to Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Wed May 21 14:02:44 2025. The relatives of those killed would agree with you Dude but lament how long it took. We had a case back in 1993 out here in Pasadena where three young people were ambushed by three punks and killed. The three rotten bastards got the death penalty but they are still alive getting their three squares a day, TV, books and a light work load. I try to find info about this case periodically but it really burns me that it has largely been forgotten. These three punks should have been sent to hell way long ago. Just wonder how many cases in the US are similar to this one. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Wed May 21 16:44:28 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by #4SeaBeachFred on Wed May 21 16:32:03 2025. I agree. As with the cited case in Indiana, he served 25 years on death row before his execution. There's that pesky due process again. |
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Where Is Urooj Rahman? Was: Justice Delayed is Still Justice |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed May 21 18:03:56 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by #4SeaBeachFred on Wed May 21 16:32:03 2025. Speaking of following cases, Fred, back in May of 2020, 2 NYPD vehicles were fire bombed during the "peaceful" george floyd protests. One was attempted by a young woman from Saugerties, NY. Fortunately for the 6 officers in the van, the Molotov Coctail tossed by Samantha Shader failed to ignite. She was sentenced to 6 years in prison.There were also 2 lawyers from Brooklyn who successfully firebombed an empty NYPD patrol car. They too were caught. They pled guilty to Comspiracy to Commit Arson and were both sentenced to 15 months and both lost their license to practice law. One of the cops was the friend of a friend so I followed these cases with interest, which brings us to Urooj Rahman. Urooj Rahman was born in pakistan and lived in bay ridge. She went to fordham university where in 2011 she graduated. After she pled guilty, ms. Rahman was sentenced in 2023. She was released in 2024. She is a staunch anti Israel/pro palestinian aggitator. My question, If she is not a citizen, why has she not been deported due to her terrorist activities? If she has become a citizen, can that citizenship be revoked and can she be removed from New York and this country? |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed May 21 20:31:42 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 21 14:20:17 2025. How much can it cost to just have a family member of the victim(s) come and swiftly kill them, then dump the body in the incinerator? (Of course if there's absolute proof that the prisoner indeed did it) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 21 21:19:25 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed May 21 20:31:42 2025. That's more worthwhile. Then again, since that sounds Biblical, the left will be against it. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu May 22 08:53:50 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by #4SeaBeachFred on Wed May 21 16:32:03 2025. There was recently a death row case where the guy had been on death row so long, they claimed he was another pedo joe and couldn't remember anything anymore. So it would be unconstitutional to continue the death sentence against a guy who couldn't remember anything over 30 years later.I don't see anything wrong with an appeal, but these things used to take place rather quickly. So just because a few months is way too quick, and made for a lot of movie plots, we have to wait until they are seniors now? |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Thu May 22 09:21:10 2025, in response to Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Wed May 21 14:02:44 2025. In the meantime, the US taxpayers had to shoulder the burden of housing and feeding these animals.Its like that Luigi creep. He sits in prison, wearing taxpayer provided clothes, eating taxpayer provided food and gets taxpayer provided health care while his victim rots in his grave and his victim’s children face daily agony of life without their father. Luigi should have been toast a long time ago. If his supporters love him so much, the authorities could do a “Rabbi Akiba” on him the way the Romans did in the 1st century - tear his face off before execution, have it mounted on a plaque and present it to his admirers. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu May 22 09:58:01 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Wed May 21 16:44:28 2025. Due process is pesky? Last I checked, the US isn't North Korea. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu May 22 10:09:19 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu May 22 09:58:01 2025. North Korea would call theirs due process too.Are you the judge, jury, and executioner? |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu May 22 10:10:43 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by Mitch45 on Thu May 22 09:21:10 2025. You make a very good point.Maybe the US should be providing people with life, liberty, and the good n' plenty clause. Why doesn't the widows and orphans get supported by the government? We can send money to palestein for their pay-to-slay program and give families of terrorist a lifetime pension. But we cannot do it for our own victims? spider-pig and wmataaaarrrrghhh have a lot of condolence letters to send. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Thu May 22 11:15:16 2025, in response to Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Wed May 21 14:02:44 2025. On February 15, 1933 Giuseppe Zangara tried to shoot president-elect Franklin D. Roosevelt while the latter was giving a speech in Miami. Zangara missed Roosevelt, likely because he was only five feet tall and had to stand on a wobbly folding chair to aim over the crowd, but hit and gravely injured Chicago mayor Anton Cermak who was standing next to Roosevelt.Zangara pled guilty to attempted murder on February 21 and immediately got an 80-year sentence. Cermak died on March 6, Zangara pled guilty to murder on March 9, and went to the Hot Squat on March 20. All done within six weeks. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Thu May 22 11:16:15 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu May 22 09:58:01 2025. I dont understand what you are trying to say. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Thu May 22 11:19:09 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by Peter Rosa on Thu May 22 11:15:16 2025. Justice was properly served |
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Posted by AlM on Thu May 22 11:50:23 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by Peter Rosa on Thu May 22 11:15:16 2025. Then again, Sacco and Vanzetti were charged with a murder that occurred in April 1920. They were executed 7 years later, and it is now generally accepted that they were innocent of the crime. Or at a very minimum that they were convicted on faked evidence. |
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Posted by chicagoMotorman on Thu May 22 11:55:00 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu May 22 09:58:01 2025. Say Their Names Yaron Lischinsky and Sarah Miligrim |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu May 22 13:01:01 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by chicagoMotorman on Thu May 22 11:55:00 2025. Exactly what are you accomplishing? It isn't like anyone in my circles don't know what happened or need to be made aware of it. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu May 22 13:01:35 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Thu May 22 11:16:15 2025. You seem to be implying that due process is a hinderance to some aim of yours. |
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Posted by chicagoMotorman on Thu May 22 13:35:12 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu May 22 13:01:01 2025. Saying that to say what? |
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Posted by chicagoMotorman on Thu May 22 13:36:35 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu May 22 13:01:01 2025. And that's all you got to say about it? Your response quite frankly disgusts me. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Thu May 22 14:33:13 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu May 22 13:01:01 2025. Your circles? What do you mean by "your circles"? |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Thu May 22 14:34:22 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu May 22 13:01:35 2025. You are inferring that which I'm not implying. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Thu May 22 14:39:39 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu May 22 13:01:35 2025. No! What I'm saying that due process has become a perversion when it takes 13 years or 25 years for a sentence to be carried out. After 25 years, what meaning does an execution have? |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu May 22 14:43:20 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Thu May 22 14:33:13 2025. People who I associate with and talk to on a regular basis. What's unclear? |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu May 22 14:46:07 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by chicagoMotorman on Thu May 22 13:36:35 2025. Nothing that gets said on this board is going to change the world or have any impact on what happened last night in DC. Even more so now that this community has devolved into a right wing echo chamber and cesspool, eliminating diversity of opinions. It's why I don't read the board as often as I used to. I imagine others feel the same way.The one thing I will say about last night is BDE. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Thu May 22 14:47:41 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu May 22 14:43:20 2025. Why would your circle be significant enough to bring up? |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Thu May 22 14:50:03 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu May 22 14:46:07 2025. Right wing echo chamber? Where are all your fellow left wing sociopaths? Seems they couldnt hold their own in polite discussion. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu May 22 15:04:46 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu May 22 08:53:50 2025. You look at the 1930s-1950s, they would be dead within a few months of their crimes! |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu May 22 15:23:57 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu May 22 14:46:07 2025. I disagree. Every persuasion is here. |
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Posted by chicagoMotorman on Thu May 22 15:29:26 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu May 22 14:46:07 2025. Right wing huh? It's the left wing that are the anti Semites, and last night's of murder Yaron Lischinsky and Sarah Miligrim which you care less about was done by the left wing. |
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Posted by chicagoMotorman on Thu May 22 15:30:17 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Thu May 22 14:47:41 2025. His circle are left wing alleged Jews. |
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Posted by chicagoMotorman on Thu May 22 15:31:22 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu May 22 15:23:57 2025. iawtlp |
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Posted by #4SeaBeachFred on Thu May 22 15:39:53 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu May 22 09:58:01 2025. Pesky my ass. Three punks who were convicted of murder are still alive and guests of the state and taxpayers. That's not pesky; it's bullshit and a weakness in our criminal justice system. Too damn ambulance types looking for a big reputation latch onto a pack of miscreants and while trying to build a reputation for themselves drive the parents and love ones of the victims into utter despair. Maybe a little old time Texas justice type of handling these creeps might find that a vast majority of Americans don't like the way our system works and wouldn't mind at least considering something like the way we used to handle killers, rapists, robbers and assholes in general. |
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Posted by #4SeaBeachFred on Thu May 22 15:40:05 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu May 22 09:58:01 2025. Pesky my ass. Three punks who were convicted of murder are still alive and guests of the state and taxpayers. That's not pesky; it's bullshit and a weakness in our criminal justice system. Too damn ambulance types looking for a big reputation latch onto a pack of miscreants and while trying to build a reputation for themselves drive the parents and love ones of the victims into utter despair. Maybe a little old time Texas justice type of handling these creeps might find that a vast majority of Americans don't like the way our system works and wouldn't mind at least considering something like the way we used to handle killers, rapists, robbers and assholes in general. |
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Posted by #4SeaBeachFred on Thu May 22 15:43:32 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu May 22 13:01:35 2025. Before I read what my friend Train Dude wrote, I'll weigh in and say that the way due process has been cannibalized by these miserable excuses for lawyers is a big hindrance to me. In other words, Judge Roy Bean, where the hell are you? |
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Posted by #4SeaBeachFred on Thu May 22 15:46:41 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by chicagoMotorman on Thu May 22 13:36:35 2025. And Whatty, you haven't been earning any points from me either. Your liberalism and soft on criminals leap out in disgusting bold letters. |
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Posted by #4SeaBeachFred on Thu May 22 15:49:04 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu May 22 14:46:07 2025. From my vantage point, you are entitled to your opinion on this matter; I just don't happen to agree with it at all. It might be pointed out too that it's people like you that have turned our ju stice system into a stale joke. |
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Posted by #4SeaBeachFred on Thu May 22 15:50:36 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by chicagoMotorman on Thu May 22 15:29:26 2025. Stop wasting your time ChiMo. He doesn't understand a word you or some of the rest of us are saying. |
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Posted by chicagoMotorman on Thu May 22 15:52:08 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by #4SeaBeachFred on Thu May 22 15:39:53 2025. Outstanding post. |
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Posted by chicagoMotorman on Thu May 22 15:53:47 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by #4SeaBeachFred on Thu May 22 15:46:41 2025. I'm not Whatty. Or as I call him, Whatchamacallit. |
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Posted by chicagoMotorman on Thu May 22 15:54:15 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by #4SeaBeachFred on Thu May 22 15:49:04 2025. Another outstanding post. |
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Posted by chicagoMotorman on Thu May 22 15:56:01 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by #4SeaBeachFred on Thu May 22 15:50:36 2025. He has no seichel. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu May 22 15:58:31 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by #4SeaBeachFred on Thu May 22 15:46:41 2025. Fred,I guess you don't recall being on the same fantrips about 20 years ago at this point. You certainly didn't care about my politics then. Funniest of all, I get people calling me too conservative or too liberal, depending on what side they are on. Anyone want to explain how I can be both? My views don't change based on the audience. |
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Re: Where Is Urooj Rahman? Was: Justice Delayed is Still Justice |
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Posted by #4SeaBeachFred on Thu May 22 15:59:06 2025, in response to Where Is Urooj Rahman? Was: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by Train Dude on Wed May 21 18:03:56 2025. Urooj should have been given her walking papers post haste. If she was a citizen I wonder why she even bothered to become one since she has nothing in common to 95 percent of the American people who found her actions reprehensible. Put her on a plane and send her to Gaza |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu May 22 15:59:23 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by chicagoMotorman on Thu May 22 15:29:26 2025. CORRECT!! The Left are terrorists! |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu May 22 16:04:54 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by #4SeaBeachFred on Thu May 22 15:49:04 2025. As a Jew raised in the Washington area, perhaps you'll give me some deference on this matter. I honestly don't know what you or CMM "expects" me to say in this circumstance. In Judaism, there's a custom that when one makes a shiva call, you don't speak until the mourner(s) speak to you. Sometimes, silence and listening are far superior to talking.I have high standards for which the death penalty should be used. I'm not apologizing if they are too high for you, but there's no "do-overs" if you get it wrong. Sentencing someone to life without parole would be far less expensive for everyone involved. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu May 22 16:08:06 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by chicagoMotorman on Thu May 22 15:29:26 2025. Antisemitism comes from both the left and right. It's just different flavors of the same poison and reprehensible in all of its forms.Are you going to try convincing me that Robert Gregory Bowers is a left winger? |
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