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Posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Nov 24 19:55:33 2022 Story |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Nov 24 20:10:14 2022, in response to World’s skinniest skyscaper, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Nov 24 19:55:33 2022. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Nov 24 20:21:09 2022, in response to Re: World’s skinniest skyscaper, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Nov 24 20:10:14 2022. Ok! |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Nov 24 20:45:32 2022, in response to World’s skinniest skyscaper, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Nov 24 19:55:33 2022. Those pencil buildings have totally ruined the midtown skyline, probably the only good thing about losing the railfan window on the Flushing Line. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Nov 24 21:28:05 2022, in response to Re: World’s skinniest skyscaper, posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Nov 24 20:45:32 2022. IAWTP. And they’re full of vacant apartments owned by Russian oligarchs, Arab sheiks and other billionaies. |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Thu Nov 24 22:39:02 2022, in response to World’s skinniest skyscaper, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Nov 24 19:55:33 2022. Skinnier than the CN Tower? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Nov 24 23:44:11 2022, in response to Re: World’s skinniest skyscaper, posted by Chicagomotorman on Thu Nov 24 22:39:02 2022. That’s not a building. |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Thu Nov 24 23:46:37 2022, in response to Re: World’s skinniest skyscaper, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Nov 24 23:44:11 2022. Then what else is it? |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Nov 24 23:52:55 2022, in response to Re: World’s skinniest skyscaper, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Nov 24 23:44:11 2022. It isn't?? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Nov 25 00:05:42 2022, in response to Re: World’s skinniest skyscaper, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Nov 24 23:44:11 2022. I guess you've never had dinner there. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Nov 25 00:51:18 2022, in response to Re: World’s skinniest skyscaper, posted by Chicagomotorman on Thu Nov 24 23:46:37 2022. It's a structure |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Nov 25 02:08:29 2022, in response to World’s skinniest skyscaper, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Nov 24 19:55:33 2022. Yuk!!!Thanks Mike Bloomberg!!!! |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Fri Nov 25 06:20:44 2022, in response to World’s skinniest skyscaper, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Nov 24 19:55:33 2022. LOOKS DANGEROUS |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Fri Nov 25 12:35:48 2022, in response to World’s skinniest skyscaper, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Nov 24 19:55:33 2022. My, My!But are the streets safe to go out when thet leave their pretty Ivory Tower? |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Nov 25 15:28:35 2022, in response to World’s skinniest skyscaper, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Nov 24 19:55:33 2022. CNN....I would severely fact-check even this type of story given their reputation. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Nov 26 01:44:46 2022, in response to World’s skinniest skyscaper, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Nov 24 19:55:33 2022. Good grief! The first thought that came to my mind is what if a loaded 767 at 500 mph smacked into it. Whats the term - hot knife thru butter?? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 26 02:09:48 2022, in response to Re: World’s skinniest skyscaper, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Nov 26 01:44:46 2022. WTF? We know from terrible experience that even a particularly wide building would fare poorly in such an event. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Nov 26 02:18:47 2022, in response to Re: World’s skinniest skyscaper, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 26 02:09:48 2022. Nobody knows better than Jim does about that. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 26 02:27:12 2022, in response to Re: World’s skinniest skyscaper, posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Nov 26 02:18:47 2022. IAWTP sadly. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Nov 26 12:31:16 2022, in response to Re: World’s skinniest skyscaper, posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Nov 26 02:18:47 2022. Truth! |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Nov 26 13:09:30 2022, in response to Re: World’s skinniest skyscaper, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 26 02:09:48 2022. But the WTC was built particularly flimsily. The Empire State Building withstood an airplane much better, structurally. I don't think we know how this building would do, and obviously we don't want to find out.I would actually venture to guess that sliver buildings are built much more like the Empire State Building. Otherwise they might sway sickeningly in a strong wind, while the WTC wouldn't have because of its large cross-sectional area. (Factoid: 1 Penn Plaza sways noticeably in a strong wind.) |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Nov 26 13:48:30 2022, in response to Re: World’s skinniest skyscaper, posted by AlM on Sat Nov 26 13:09:30 2022. But the WTC was built particularly flimsily. The Empire State Building withstood an airplane much better, structurally.It was the fire that caused the WTC collapse not the impact. The jet fuel on the 767's caused much more fire damage to the WTC buildings than the B25's gasoline did to the Empire State Building. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Nov 26 14:01:31 2022, in response to Re: World’s skinniest skyscaper, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Nov 26 13:48:30 2022. Of course. I can't believe Aim compared a 767 with a full load of fuel to a B52. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Nov 26 14:44:57 2022, in response to Re: World’s skinniest skyscaper, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Nov 26 14:01:31 2022. Do you disagree that the Empire State Building was built with far more structural strength than the WTC? |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Nov 26 14:45:18 2022, in response to Re: World’s skinniest skyscaper, posted by AlM on Sat Nov 26 13:09:30 2022. That’s not correct or fair to say that the WTC was flimsily built.And your example is a little WWII bomber crashing into the Empire State as supposed to loaded 767s flying 4 or 5 hundred miles per hour? |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Nov 26 14:46:51 2022, in response to Re: World’s skinniest skyscaper, posted by AlM on Sat Nov 26 14:44:57 2022. Not really |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Nov 26 15:39:41 2022, in response to Re: World’s skinniest skyscaper, posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Nov 26 14:45:18 2022. That’s not correct or fair to say that the WTC was flimsily built.Why? It was, relative to just about every skyscraper previously built. I didn't mean it as an accusation of negligence - it would have held up to any reasonably expected external forces. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Nov 26 15:47:15 2022, in response to Re: World’s skinniest skyscaper, posted by AlM on Sat Nov 26 15:39:41 2022. It was an open floor concept. No other way to build it other than the way it was built. It was brilliant. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Nov 26 15:52:00 2022, in response to Re: World’s skinniest skyscaper, posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Nov 26 15:47:15 2022. Yes, it was brilliant. No reasonably anticipated (in 1960, when it was being designed) event would have caused trouble. Again, I didn't mean flimsy in a pejorative sense. Purely factual. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Nov 26 16:52:56 2022, in response to Re: World’s skinniest skyscaper, posted by AlM on Sat Nov 26 15:52:00 2022. Well they did anticipate a 707 strike and determined they could withstand the blow. The rescuing fires would have been too much to consider. Empire State has many layers of redundancy where the twin towers put their redundancy into essentially just two places, core and outer wall. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Nov 26 17:51:21 2022, in response to Re: World’s skinniest skyscaper, posted by Chicagomotorman on Thu Nov 24 23:46:37 2022. A communication tower,with observation decks located in several different areas.It does Not have any significant amounts of floor space to be called a "building". |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Nov 26 17:53:56 2022, in response to Re: World’s skinniest skyscaper, posted by Train Dude on Fri Nov 25 00:05:42 2022. Very nice facility.However, I did notice a bit of odd sway here and there. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Nov 26 18:03:23 2022, in response to Re: World’s skinniest skyscaper, posted by AlM on Sat Nov 26 13:09:30 2022. People tend to forget that the planes that hit the WTC were heavy with JET FUEL.It wasn't the impact that caused the towers to fail. It was the fuel,causing the fire,that burned consistently at a high temperature. Weakening the support TRUSS crossbeams,and buckling the floors. The fire suppression systems were nonexistent ,since the crash damaged every thing. There was no stopping point, since the fire was being reinforced by the fuel. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Nov 26 18:13:17 2022, in response to Re: World’s skinniest skyscaper, posted by AlM on Sat Nov 26 14:44:57 2022. The difference here is the design of the time.The ESB has its strengths lacked throughout the building structure, steel belts andcrossbars. The WTC used an open concept design, where it's strengths were contained within its core,the steel frame outside,and steel truss connectors between the frame and core. The WTC had it skeleton on the "outside", whereas the ESB has its skeleton on the "inside". Different support structures,doing the same job. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Nov 26 18:14:18 2022, in response to Re: World’s skinniest skyscaper, posted by AlM on Sat Nov 26 14:44:57 2022. The difference here is the design of the time.The ESB has its strengths spreading throughout the building structure, steel belts and crossbars. The WTC used an open concept design, where it's strengths were contained within its core,the steel frame outside,and steel truss connectors between the frame and core. The WTC had it skeleton on the "outside", whereas the ESB has its skeleton on the "inside". Different support structures,doing the same job. |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Sat Nov 26 18:48:24 2022, in response to Re: World’s skinniest skyscaper, posted by Edwards! on Sat Nov 26 17:51:21 2022. Good point. I have been to top of the tower. Very cool observation deck. |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Nov 26 18:54:43 2022, in response to Re: World’s skinniest skyscaper, posted by Edwards! on Sat Nov 26 18:03:23 2022. SAUDI ARABIA DID IT |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Nov 26 22:27:03 2022, in response to Re: World’s skinniest skyscaper, posted by AlM on Sat Nov 26 15:52:00 2022. Flimsy in a factual sense? You got to be kidding!.What "facts" to you have to back up your ridiculous claim that the WTC construction was "flimsy"? I'm not a good at math or physics but here are the facts: take the weight of those airplanes X the force( @4-500mph) of that weight slamming into the buildings, then staying up with the weight of those planes within the structure all while the buildings withstood all that without toppling over from the initial hit in the first place, and you say that construction was "flimsy"? Amazing! |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Nov 26 22:29:50 2022, in response to Re: World’s skinniest skyscaper, posted by Edwards! on Sat Nov 26 18:03:23 2022. "...since the fire was being reinforced by the fuel."Compounded by the burning furniture (desks, computer equipment, copy paper, window curtains etc) |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Nov 26 23:30:54 2022, in response to Re: World’s skinniest skyscaper, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Nov 26 22:27:03 2022. So how many times do you want me to post that I agree it was designed back in the 60s with sufficient strength to withstand any reasonably anticipated external forces? |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Nov 26 23:44:17 2022, in response to Re: World’s skinniest skyscaper, posted by AlM on Sat Nov 26 23:30:54 2022. Quit now |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Nov 27 00:06:02 2022, in response to Re: World’s skinniest skyscaper, posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Nov 26 23:44:17 2022. WTF?I'm not continuing this thread. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Nov 27 00:17:13 2022, in response to Re: World’s skinniest skyscaper, posted by AlM on Sun Nov 27 00:06:02 2022. Good |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Nov 27 01:05:24 2022, in response to Re: World’s skinniest skyscaper, posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Nov 27 00:17:13 2022. +1 |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Sun Nov 27 06:13:14 2022, in response to Re: World’s skinniest skyscaper, posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Nov 27 00:17:13 2022. Bad. Why is he wrong? Don’t give in to bullying. |
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