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Re: Why hasn't there been more outrage about a member of congress promoting 2004 election conspiracies? |
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Posted by DaNd124 on Thu Jun 30 10:02:01 2022, in response to Why hasn't there been more outrage about a member of congress promoting 2004 election conspiracies?, posted by DaNd124 on Thu Jun 30 09:59:54 2022. This is what I'm talking about:
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jun 30 10:09:17 2022, in response to Re: Why hasn't there been more outrage about a member of congress promoting 2004 election conspiracies?, posted by DaNd124 on Thu Jun 30 10:02:01 2022. This is a political statement. You can claim some of the "facts" in it are not proven. You can agree with or disagree with the opinions.But it's still in the realm of normal political discourse. What of it? Plenty of members of Congress express radical opinions (not that I concede that "we need a comprehensive plan to fix this court" is necessarily radical - some fixes are far less radical than "packing" the court). Plenty of members of Congress assert facts not fully proven or perhaps complete lies. |
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Posted by DaNd124 on Thu Jun 30 10:27:41 2022, in response to Re: Why hasn't there been more outrage about a member of congress promoting 2004 election conspiracies?, posted by AlM on Thu Jun 30 10:09:17 2022. Bush won the popular and electoral votes in 2004 that is not a matter of dispute. To say otherwise is not to state something unproven it's a lie. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 30 10:29:34 2022, in response to Re: Why hasn't there been more outrage about a member of congress promoting 2004 election conspiracies?, posted by DaNd124 on Thu Jun 30 10:27:41 2022. What she said is literally true. He did lose the popular vote in 2000. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jun 30 10:30:22 2022, in response to Re: Why hasn't there been more outrage about a member of congress promoting 2004 election conspiracies?, posted by DaNd124 on Thu Jun 30 10:27:41 2022. The quote you posted doesn't mention 2004.I would agree that claiming that 2004 was a stolen election is bad behavior. But by a single member of Congress, not by the President and over 100 members of Congress. And what does 2004 have to do with the Supreme Court? You aren't making any sense. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jun 30 10:31:37 2022, in response to Re: Why hasn't there been more outrage about a member of congress promoting 2004 election conspiracies?, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 30 10:29:34 2022. Do you even understand what he is talking about? The Supreme Court never got involved in 2004. There was just some random talk about Diebold that went nowhere. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Thu Jun 30 10:31:43 2022, in response to Re: Why hasn't there been more outrage about a member of congress promoting 2004 election conspiracies?, posted by DaNd124 on Thu Jun 30 10:02:01 2022. What do you expect from an AOC groupie? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 30 10:31:49 2022, in response to Re: Why hasn't there been more outrage about a member of congress promoting 2004 election conspiracies?, posted by AlM on Thu Jun 30 10:30:22 2022. And the premise is faulty. She’s not claiming the 2004 election was stolen. |
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Posted by DaNd124 on Thu Jun 30 10:32:43 2022, in response to Re: Why hasn't there been more outrage about a member of congress promoting 2004 election conspiracies?, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 30 10:29:34 2022. So what Biden lost the popular vote(in the Democratic primaries) in 1988 and 2008, whould it be accurate to say that Ketanji Brown Jackson was appointed by a president who twice lost the popular vote? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 30 10:33:23 2022, in response to Re: Why hasn't there been more outrage about a member of congress promoting 2004 election conspiracies?, posted by AlM on Thu Jun 30 10:31:37 2022. He posted the content of an Omar tweet where she claimed that five justices were appointed by a president who lost the popular vote. This is literally true. Bush lost the popular vote but he also won the popular vote. She’s not claiming that he didn’t win the popular vote in 2004. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 30 10:37:29 2022, in response to Re: Why hasn't there been more outrage about a member of congress promoting 2004 election conspiracies?, posted by DaNd124 on Thu Jun 30 10:32:43 2022. Biden had not previously been nominated for president, so it’s not the same. The equivalent would be to say that Warren Burger, Harry Blackmun, William Rehnquist and Lewis Powell were appointed by a president who lost the popular vote, as Nixon ostensibly did in 1960.The difference is that Nixon had to eventually win the popular vote to ascend to the presidency, Bush didn’t. It’s a legitimate, but weak, argument to say that Bush wouldn’t have been the president in 2005 but for his “tainted” victory in 2000. |
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Posted by DaNd124 on Thu Jun 30 10:39:01 2022, in response to Re: Why hasn't there been more outrage about a member of congress promoting 2004 election conspiracies?, posted by AlM on Thu Jun 30 10:30:22 2022. She's casting doubts on the legitimacy of Roberts and Alito who were appointed in 2005. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 30 10:46:28 2022, in response to Re: Why hasn't there been more outrage about a member of congress promoting 2004 election conspiracies?, posted by DaNd124 on Thu Jun 30 10:39:01 2022. Which is fine, because but for the 2000 election, Bush wouldn’t likely to have been president in 2005. Arguably, Bush could have won the popular vote in 2000 if the electrical college had been abolished. All she’s making is a rhetorical point about how our democracy is defective. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jun 30 10:51:39 2022, in response to Re: Why hasn't there been more outrage about a member of congress promoting 2004 election conspiracies?, posted by DaNd124 on Thu Jun 30 10:39:01 2022. Fair is fair. People have been casting doubt on a member of congress who reportedly had an incestuous relationship and illegal marriage with her brother. They cast doubts about a member of congress who illegally funneled campaign money to her husband's business. You cannot take what this douchebag says, seriously. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jun 30 10:52:53 2022, in response to Re: Why hasn't there been more outrage about a member of congress promoting 2004 election conspiracies?, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 30 10:46:28 2022. What the fuck is the electrical college, a trade school? |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jun 30 10:53:02 2022, in response to Re: Why hasn't there been more outrage about a member of congress promoting 2004 election conspiracies?, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 30 10:37:29 2022. It’s a legitimate, but weak, argument to say that Bush wouldn’t have been the president in 2005 but for his “tainted” victory in 2000.Agreed. However, the argument that some sort of change ought to be made to the Court structure so that it better reflects the will of the people is a reasonable one. Court packing would not be such an argument, because future Trumps could do it too. But 18-year terms would be one. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 30 11:16:18 2022, in response to Re: Why hasn't there been more outrage about a member of congress promoting 2004 election conspiracies?, posted by AlM on Thu Jun 30 10:53:02 2022. An argument that I heard was that if Democrats add six justices and make it 9-6, and then Republicans add six justices and make it 12-9, we would be no worse off than we are now, so there’s no real risk. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jun 30 11:19:57 2022, in response to Re: Why hasn't there been more outrage about a member of congress promoting 2004 election conspiracies?, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 30 11:16:18 2022. Too much room for ongoing escalation. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jun 30 11:22:56 2022, in response to Re: Why hasn't there been more outrage about a member of congress promoting 2004 election conspiracies?, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 30 11:16:18 2022. Just make one justice's term end every 2 years, starting with the most senior justice and working down to the most junior.But only do that once - every future justice is appointed to an 18 year term, and if they don't make it through 18 years, their replacement is only appointed for the remainder of the term. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 30 11:24:58 2022, in response to Re: Why hasn't there been more outrage about a member of congress promoting 2004 election conspiracies?, posted by AlM on Thu Jun 30 11:22:56 2022. Which would require a constitutional amendment and thus would never happen. Maybe the serial escalation of packing the court will eventually convince everyone of the necessity. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jun 30 11:51:31 2022, in response to Re: Why hasn't there been more outrage about a member of congress promoting 2004 election conspiracies?, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 30 11:24:58 2022. Which would require a constitutional amendment and thus would never happen.Really? The Constitution doesn't prescribe that the term is for life. Or is it just that you can't do a retroactive 18 year term? I could live with the 18 year term only being going forward. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 30 11:54:23 2022, in response to Re: Why hasn't there been more outrage about a member of congress promoting 2004 election conspiracies?, posted by AlM on Thu Jun 30 11:51:31 2022. Really?Or do you just think that “good behavior” allows Congress to establish term limits? |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jun 30 12:09:34 2022, in response to Re: Why hasn't there been more outrage about a member of congress promoting 2004 election conspiracies?, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 30 11:54:23 2022. OK. Not sure what I was thinking. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jun 30 12:15:59 2022, in response to Re: Why hasn't there been more outrage about a member of congress promoting 2004 election conspiracies?, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 30 11:54:23 2022. Maybe I was thinking add one new justice every 2 years. |
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Posted by chicagoMotorman on Thu Jun 30 13:34:17 2022, in response to Re: Why hasn't there been more outrage about a member of congress promoting 2004 election conspiracies?, posted by DaNd124 on Thu Jun 30 10:02:01 2022. BULLSHITBULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT and BULLSHIT. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 30 13:37:25 2022, in response to Re: Why hasn't there been more outrage about a member of congress promoting 2004 election conspiracies?, posted by chicagoMotorman on Thu Jun 30 13:34:17 2022. All of them are true, you just don’t like the messenger. |
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Posted by chicagoMotorman on Thu Jun 30 13:38:35 2022, in response to Re: Why hasn't there been more outrage about a member of congress promoting 2004 election conspiracies?, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 30 13:37:25 2022. As usual. Figures. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jun 30 14:05:42 2022, in response to Re: Why hasn't there been more outrage about a member of congress promoting 2004 election conspiracies?, posted by DaNd124 on Thu Jun 30 10:02:01 2022. LOL "lost the popular vote". And this from someone who proves daily that her refugee status was utterly fraudulent. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Jun 30 14:23:00 2022, in response to Re: Why hasn't there been more outrage about a member of congress promoting 2004 election conspiracies?, posted by AlM on Thu Jun 30 10:53:02 2022. OMG, sometimes your guy gets in, sometimes the other guy gets in. It is what it is. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jun 30 14:25:14 2022, in response to Re: Why hasn't there been more outrage about a member of congress promoting 2004 election conspiracies?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Jun 30 14:23:00 2022. No, not the way the Uniparty wants it. They want their guy all the time. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jun 30 14:54:55 2022, in response to Why hasn’t there been more outrage about a member of congress promoting 2004 election conspiracies?, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jun 30 14:05:42 2022. Bush 2000 and Trump 2016 lost the popular vote, believe it or not. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jun 30 14:56:18 2022, in response to Re: Why hasn't there been more outrage about a member of congress promoting 2004 election conspiracies?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Jun 30 14:23:00 2022. OMG, sometimes your guy gets in, sometimes the other guy gets in.But the net effect over the last 40 years has become a Supreme Court far more conservative than the people. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 30 15:08:19 2022, in response to Re: Why hasn't there been more outrage about a member of congress promoting 2004 election conspiracies?, posted by AlM on Thu Jun 30 14:56:18 2022. The most senior justice was appointed in 1990. So counting from then to 2022, that’s 32 years. Of those, 14 had a Republican President and 18 had a Democrat, and yet the Republicans have a 6-3 majority.And on top of that, only 6 of those years were under a Republican who won the popular vote. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jun 30 15:11:37 2022, in response to Re: Why hasn't there been more outrage about a member of congress promoting 2004 election conspiracies?, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 30 15:08:19 2022. What are you trying to say? |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Thu Jun 30 15:19:32 2022, in response to Re: Why hasn't there been more outrage about a member of congress promoting 2004 election conspiracies?, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jun 30 15:11:37 2022. If we had a system where justices were on staggered 18 year terms (new justice every 2 years) starting in 2005 and working to 2021 you would have a Supreme Court that was 5-4 in terms of appointees by candidates who ran as a Democrat. George W. Bush would have selected the 2005 and 2007 Justices, Donald Trump would have gotten 2017 and 2019. Barack Obama would have had 2009, 2011, 2013, and 2015. Joe Biden would have picked 2021. That would have been a vastly different Supreme Court. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Jun 30 15:30:35 2022, in response to Re: Why hasn't there been more outrage about a member of congress promoting 2004 election conspiracies?, posted by AlM on Thu Jun 30 14:56:18 2022. Which is a good thing. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jun 30 15:38:41 2022, in response to Re: Why hasn't there been more outrage about a member of congress promoting 2004 election conspiracies?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Jun 30 15:30:35 2022. For you, yes.For the country, maybe not so much. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jun 30 15:42:32 2022, in response to Re: Why hasn't there been more outrage about a member of congress promoting 2004 election conspiracies?, posted by mtk52983 on Thu Jun 30 15:19:32 2022. What is truly odd is how these discussions only come about when left wing democrats don't get their way. I don't recall these discussions when Robert's invented a new tax to justify obamacare. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Thu Jun 30 15:56:06 2022, in response to Re: Why hasn't there been more outrage about a member of congress promoting 2004 election conspiracies?, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jun 30 15:42:32 2022. Roberts was not suggesting we do away with things like access to contraception that Justice Thomas suggested in his Dobbs concurrence or was not suggesting we throw out decades of precedent or declare an act of Congress or the Executive Branch unconstituational only because a Justice thinks he/she knows more than those who came before him/her. If the Supreme Court Justices want to legislate, let them run for Congress.Also after Roberts's bizarre concurrence to save the Affordable Care Act, plenty of Republican commentators were calling for his head, calling him a traitor, demanding he be impeached, etc. Although not a Supreme Court case, similar things were said about Republican appointee District Judge John E. Jones III formerly of Middle District of Pennsylvania in Kitzmiller. Jones actually required Secret Service protection because of death threats he received. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jun 30 16:35:49 2022, in response to Re: Why hasn't there been more outrage about a member of congress promoting 2004 election conspiracies?, posted by mtk52983 on Thu Jun 30 15:56:06 2022. Again, when Roberts voted for obamacare based on a less than sound reason, the Republicans did not engage in court packing and other "reform b the court" rhetoric. That seems to only be the Provence of democrats. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 30 16:45:06 2022, in response to Re: Why hasn't there been more outrage about a member of congress promoting 2004 election conspiracies?, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jun 30 16:35:49 2022. Yeah they did. They withheld confirmation for Obama’s nominee.And how was it “less than sound?” |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Jun 30 16:54:02 2022, in response to Re: Why hasn't there been more outrage about a member of congress promoting 2004 election conspiracies?, posted by AlM on Thu Jun 30 14:56:18 2022. So? That's how it is. RBG should have retired when BHO was POTUS, but she didn't. She thought HRC would get the office and then retire. Then she had to try and wait out her date with the Reaper, but he came a knockin' anyway |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Jun 30 16:55:08 2022, in response to Re: Why hasn't there been more outrage about a member of congress promoting 2004 election conspiracies?, posted by AlM on Thu Jun 30 15:38:41 2022. And you as well |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Jun 30 17:23:50 2022, in response to Re: Why hasn't there been more outrage about a member of congress promoting 2004 election conspiracies?, posted by AlM on Thu Jun 30 15:38:41 2022. Bullshit. Liberals are killing this country. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jun 30 17:47:07 2022, in response to Re: Why hasn't there been more outrage about a member of congress promoting 2004 election conspiracies?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Jun 30 17:23:50 2022. Liberals are killing this country.How is that possible? Joe Manchin runs Congress and Alito runs the Supreme Court. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 30 17:50:10 2022, in response to Re: Why hasn't there been more outrage about a member of congress promoting 2004 election conspiracies?, posted by AlM on Thu Jun 30 17:47:07 2022. The right needs boogeymen, real or imagined. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jun 30 18:06:15 2022, in response to Re: Why hasn't there been more outrage about a member of congress promoting 2004 election conspiracies?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Jun 30 16:55:08 2022. I am not hurt by the actions of the Supreme Court anywhere near as much as the country is. |
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Posted by chicagoMotorman on Thu Jun 30 20:07:47 2022, in response to Re: Why hasn't there been more outrage about a member of congress promoting 2004 election conspiracies?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Jun 30 17:23:50 2022. Please make up your mind. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Jun 30 20:46:07 2022, in response to Re: Why hasn't there been more outrage about a member of congress promoting 2004 election conspiracies?, posted by chicagoMotorman on Thu Jun 30 20:07:47 2022. I'm not single minded like you. I know how to think for myself. Did you read my response to you about Giuliani and why almost all the cops hated him? |
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