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Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 25 11:16:31 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed May 25 10:44:38 2022. What breakdowns? An EV has no engine, or transmissions, and batteries and motors are significantly less mechanically complex. If you’re worried about your car breaking down, then it would be completely counterproductive to get an ICE car, which is far more likely to break down. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 25 11:34:02 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed May 25 10:53:25 2022. They belong to the thieves now. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 25 11:35:28 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by AlM on Wed May 25 10:53:47 2022. It’s not going to keep charging at max level as the battery fills up. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed May 25 11:39:47 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed May 25 11:03:50 2022. You are being far too kind to Al. He's a known fabricator of lies. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 25 11:41:30 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed May 25 11:08:18 2022. Thanks. This is something I actually wanted to know because despite doing it so many times I never really timed it. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed May 25 11:42:17 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 25 11:16:31 2022. Except that there are numerous locations where you can get parts for a standard auto today or find a mechanic to work on one. Parts or certified mechanics for EVs are not yet as common. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed May 25 11:44:31 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by AlM on Wed May 25 10:59:47 2022. How often do subway trains break down? After all, they're powered by electric motors. Dead motors on subway cars happen all the time. Get enough of them you have a dead train. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed May 25 11:45:56 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed May 25 11:44:31 2022. Excellent point |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 25 11:46:12 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by Train Dude on Wed May 25 11:42:17 2022. This is not something that is done daily. It’s a non-issue. On the other hand, fueling is done frequently.At least in the case of Tesla, they actually come to you. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 25 11:48:05 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed May 25 11:44:31 2022. Aren’t MDBFs measured in hundreds of thousands of miles? How long do you have your car before you get there? |
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Posted by AlM on Wed May 25 12:16:31 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 25 11:35:28 2022. OK, but realistically, you aren't going to fill up completely. You'll fill from 50 miles left to 250 miles left. Same with a gasoline car. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed May 25 12:18:03 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed May 25 11:08:18 2022. The average gas fill up is nowhere near a complete fill-up. And that's obviously not including all the overhead of a fill-up. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed May 25 12:21:54 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 25 11:48:05 2022. Invalid comparison. On a subway, a motor can fail but if it doesn't cause a delay, it does not impact MBDF. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed May 25 12:23:51 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by Train Dude on Wed May 25 07:35:00 2022. My last bill from Slomins was $770. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed May 25 12:35:48 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed May 25 12:23:51 2022. For how many gallons? My oil company did not deliver in April but when my contract expired they delivered 234 gallons at $6.499 a gallon |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 25 12:40:20 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by AlM on Wed May 25 12:16:31 2022. Then you have to do it more often, which makes it even more inconvenient. You’re not going to convince people to do something that makes owning their cars significantly more inconvenient. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 25 12:41:08 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by AlM on Wed May 25 12:18:03 2022. I would almost always fill up my car completely. Why wouldn’t you? Holding out for a better deal? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 25 12:43:15 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by Train Dude on Wed May 25 12:21:54 2022. Interesting. How often do motors fail and are R-142 and newer motors more reliable? |
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Posted by AlM on Wed May 25 13:03:19 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 25 12:40:20 2022. You don't think the fewer visits to the mechanic offset the longer time filling up? |
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Posted by AlM on Wed May 25 13:04:21 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 25 12:41:08 2022. Don't they tell you not to fill to 100%?Also, it might not be worth the time if the last 50 miles of fill-up are really slow. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 25 13:23:34 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by AlM on Wed May 25 13:03:19 2022. No. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed May 25 13:24:17 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 25 11:46:12 2022. "It’s a non-issue."How is in a "non issue"? After all an EV is still a machine and machines do break down. Your link is interesting, but it refers mainly to "appointments" and there are many strings attached. And breaking down on the side if the road, mobile services can happen "where available" Thats not exactly confidence inspiring. I'd still go with triple A & hope that the nearest EV service outpost is not beyond triple A's free towing limit. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 25 13:25:43 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by AlM on Wed May 25 13:04:21 2022. Unlike an electric fill-up, a gas fillup doesn’t slow down the fuller the tank.On the other hand, there are fixed actions associated with stopping for gas which you have to do ever time. Filling up less often therefore saves time. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed May 25 13:27:26 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by AlM on Wed May 25 13:03:19 2022. No. Absolutely not. Do you own a car? How often do you bring it to the mechanic? |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed May 25 13:27:50 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by Train Dude on Wed May 25 11:39:47 2022. And here it is very obvious |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed May 25 13:28:18 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 25 11:41:30 2022. I just knew 7 minutes sounded way too long |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 25 13:28:29 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed May 25 13:24:17 2022. Again, “but sometimes!” |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed May 25 13:28:47 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by AlM on Wed May 25 12:18:03 2022. Huh? Why wouldn't you? |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed May 25 13:29:26 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by AlM on Wed May 25 13:04:21 2022. I've never heard that. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed May 25 13:33:01 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed May 25 13:27:26 2022. I owned a car for 47 years. I brought it to a mechanic many dozens of times.OK, so maybe owning an EV when you can't charge it at home will cost you 6 or 8 extra hours a year. And that's only as long as your trips aren't long ones. On a long trip, people need to do a bathroom break every 2 to 3 hours anyway. Now the extra time to charge up an EV at a high speed station will be barely noticed. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed May 25 13:33:46 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by Train Dude on Wed May 25 12:35:48 2022. I locked in for my moms house's oil in November fir 4.85, which I thought was outrageous. It's worse now. Her last fill up (I pay her bills, that's why I am using her as an example as I have natural gas), was like $885.00 for like 195 gallons (something to that effect)....utterly absurd. It's more than double her bills last year, and they only filled up in March or so prior.My natural gas went up too, but not as bad as heating oil did |
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Posted by AlM on Wed May 25 13:35:43 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed May 25 13:28:47 2022. When I owned a car very few of my fill-ups were close to a full tank. I didn't generally want to risk going below one quarter, and often when it was half full I figured I have the time now, maybe later I'll be more rushed. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed May 25 13:37:56 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by AlM on Wed May 25 13:33:01 2022. Cars today aren't like "47 years ago". They don't break down nearly as often. My car has 180,000 Mike's on it, and it hasn't been in the shop for anything in over two years when I put brakes on it. I believe electric cars also need brakes. Yes I did go to jiffy lube after 7500-10000 miles (synthetic oil) for 10 minutes. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed May 25 13:38:13 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by AlM on Wed May 25 13:33:01 2022. Cars today aren't like "47 years ago". They don't break down nearly as often. My car has 180,000 miles on it, and it hasn't been in the shop for anything in over two years when I put brakes on it. I believe electric cars also need brakes. Yes I did go to jiffy lube after 7500-10000 miles (synthetic oil) for 10 minutes. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed May 25 13:42:22 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by AlM on Wed May 25 13:33:01 2022. Yep. All we need now is to install charging stations along the RTs 80,79 & 78 rest stops and that would be an incentive for me since I often drive back & forth between Pittsburgh , Lancaster PA & Long Island. IDK if there are any along the PA Tnpk since I avoid that road like the plague due to their highway robbery tolls. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed May 25 14:01:25 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by AlM on Wed May 25 13:35:43 2022. Lol. Why would I want to go more often? Actually I rarely fill up till it says I only have about 40 miles left or so, which is less than a 1/4 tank |
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Posted by AlM on Wed May 25 14:13:03 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed May 25 13:37:56 2022. Cars today aren't like "47 years ago".I've owned a car much more recently than 47 years ago. But I agree cars have improved. And my experience hasn't been typical. But you asked and I answered. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed May 25 14:14:06 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed May 25 14:01:25 2022. OK, tastes differ. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed May 25 15:04:32 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 25 12:43:15 2022. The motors are very reliable. The inverters that drive the motors are like any other electronic device. They can and do fail under load. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed May 25 15:10:22 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed May 25 13:33:46 2022. My (former) oil company is not offering locked in prices now |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 25 15:22:35 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by Train Dude on Wed May 25 15:04:32 2022. Thanks. Even though it is something that can fail, I’ve never heard of an EV inverter failing. The most common unique problems that can’t be solved by an ICE shop involve the batteries.Sometimes it’s the 12 V battery, which an ICE shop is absolutely equipped to fix. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed May 25 15:46:08 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed May 25 13:27:50 2022. Baloney. It was a mistake, not a lie. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed May 25 15:51:11 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 25 12:41:08 2022. I don't think he meant that. I think he meant that you fill up when there's still a nice amount of gas in the tank. I don't think even aim waits till the tank is on "E". |
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Posted by AlM on Wed May 25 16:40:00 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed May 25 15:46:08 2022. Yeah, I didn't know that the charging slowed down toward the end. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed May 25 16:41:09 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed May 25 15:51:11 2022. Of course that's what I meant. I tend to fill up when it's between 1/4 and 1/2. I even said so in another post. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 25 17:05:26 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by AlM on Wed May 25 16:40:00 2022. But you spoke about it so authoritatively. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed May 25 17:19:01 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by AlM on Wed May 25 16:41:09 2022. I always set my trip odometer back to zero when I get gas and always buy before I hit 200 miles. That's about half a tank. I've been doing that for 50 years!! |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed May 25 17:25:12 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by AlM on Wed May 25 13:35:43 2022. So then the 7 minutes is really out of line. Your claim after that was shown wildly off by about 5 minutes. Then you claim most aren't even full tank full ups. Okay (I'd need to verify that, but doubt that is the case), but less filling would mean even more less time. By the way, it took me less than two minutes today to fill my tank from empty to $78.00 worth of gas to fill it. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 25 17:30:03 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed May 25 17:25:12 2022. I would include the entire time between getting to the gas station and leaving as the time it takes to get gas. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed May 25 17:30:45 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed May 25 17:19:01 2022. Why? Cars bought this century can estimate how many miles you have to go before empty and it's not like gas stations are scarce. I typically refuel when I get below a quarter tank but no later than 25-50 miles left in the tank.That's probably not a good idea in California because we can get an earthquake, that could knock out power (and gas stations) but I figure where am I going to go should that happen? |
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