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Posted by chicagoMotorman on Wed May 4 09:33:46 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by LuchAAA on Mon May 2 22:53:16 2022. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed May 4 09:35:05 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 3 16:34:40 2022. So in other words, you believe atheists can't be pro life and anti abortion?? |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed May 4 09:36:28 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 4 09:05:25 2022. "What is the legitimate secular purpose in banning abortion?"Maybe to stop killing babies?
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed May 4 09:45:55 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by chicagoMotorman on Wed May 4 09:33:46 2022. Hilarious!! |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed May 4 09:55:31 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by chicagoMotorman on Wed May 4 09:33:46 2022. That's funny.I hate when people call her Margaret Sanger. Margaret Louise Higgins. This guy is funny. He mentions Jamaica. It's known for sex tourism. I hope the following reply to your video, Elkeeper Dan |
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Posted by AlM on Wed May 4 10:38:07 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 3 22:13:24 2022. Well, he might exist but if so, he's retired from active duty. He's not going around impregnating mortal women like he allegedly used to be doing. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed May 4 10:51:01 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by Easy on Tue May 3 23:23:57 2022. OK, I was talking about grievous sins, not crimes.And crimes are those things that society decides are crimes. But oddly, many politicians who want to ban abortion say they don't want to jail women who have one. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 4 11:13:38 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by chicagoMotorman on Wed May 4 09:33:46 2022. Transcript anyone? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 4 11:14:51 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed May 4 09:35:05 2022. Atheists can be anti-abortion, because atheists aren’t necessarily rational.Also atheists can be anti-abortion for practical reasons that don’t apply in the modern USA. Stalin banned abortion. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 4 11:16:25 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed May 4 09:36:28 2022. They’re not babies. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 4 11:23:05 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by AlM on Wed May 4 10:51:01 2022. It’s not odd, it’s paternalistic. They think that women are victims of abortion, that they lack sufficient agency to decide to do something so “monstrous.” Not everyone believes this, but this is the even jellicle narrative. |
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Posted by chicagoMotorman on Wed May 4 11:51:58 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed May 4 09:45:55 2022. Lol. Glad you liked it. |
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Posted by chicagoMotorman on Wed May 4 11:52:44 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by LuchAAA on Wed May 4 09:55:31 2022. It's good that you have a sense of humor. |
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Posted by chicagoMotorman on Wed May 4 11:53:13 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 4 11:13:38 2022. Did you at least think it was funny? |
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Posted by chicagoMotorman on Wed May 4 12:13:05 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by LuchAAA on Mon May 2 22:53:16 2022. 
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 4 12:19:44 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by chicagoMotorman on Wed May 4 11:53:13 2022. I didn’t see it, that’s why I’m asking for a transcript. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 4 12:20:23 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by chicagoMotorman on Wed May 4 12:13:05 2022. If she’s that pregnant, then I agree. But most abortions don’t happen that late. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed May 4 12:25:36 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 4 11:23:05 2022. I was being somewhat sarcastic.I actually think they say they don't want women jailed for having an abortion because if they said they did want them jailed, support for a ban on abortion would sink to the sub-basement. |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Wed May 4 12:27:00 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 4 12:19:44 2022. Watch the video. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed May 4 13:47:03 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by AlM on Wed May 4 12:25:36 2022. But apparently, the women can still get sued for having an abortion. |
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Posted by subfan on Wed May 4 13:53:08 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 4 11:16:25 2022. They may or may not be human beings, but they're definitely something more than an appendix of the mother, to be disposed of without any moral quandary. This is not necessarily a religiously-based approach - it can be based on secular humanism as well. As such, there is a definite secular interest in preserving this potential human, though of course people can reasonably disagree on how to balance that interest with the rights of the motherSo - one person may favor blue laws to give workers a day off and another may favor them to rest on "the Lord's day" - but the blue laws are still constitutional. Similarly, one person may want to limit abortion based on a secular humanistic interest in the life of the fetus while another wants to limit it because they believe that that is the will of their chosen dirty - but that, too, has no impact on such a law's constitutionality. subfan |
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Posted by subfan on Wed May 4 13:55:26 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by subfan on Wed May 4 13:53:08 2022. Deity, not dirty - spell check strikes again! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 4 14:13:21 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by subfan on Wed May 4 13:53:08 2022. That’s where we disagree though. I don’t think an appendix is exactly analogous, but at least in the early period it should not be subject to protection against its own possible future mother. If you extend the logic of “potential human” far enough back, you can ban contraception too (some people will say masturbation, but that’s a reductio ad absurdum if there ever was).The blue laws are constitutional even if the day off happens to be on Sunday simply because it’s the one that more people would want to choose anyway. It’s like closing government offices on Christmas, otherwise a non-secular holiday. It would be wrong if the government enacted or amended the law today and still called it “the Lord’s Day.” So you are calling it a fetus. I agree that there is a legitimate secular interest in protecting a fetus. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 4 14:13:56 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by subfan on Wed May 4 13:55:26 2022. All the same to me. 😁 |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed May 4 14:47:54 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 3 19:06:26 2022. I've seen Him in action on Family Guy. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed May 4 14:52:11 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by Train Dude on Tue May 3 21:30:26 2022. Of course it was! This is the "big play" to get the people to look at this instead of the Shit Show we've been in. It's a distraction. They are already going full-throttle about the Midterms on the news and MSM. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 4 14:53:38 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed May 4 14:52:11 2022. Good! People are willing to ignore T Party fascism because of “bread and butter” issues. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed May 4 14:55:52 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by 3-9 on Wed May 4 13:47:03 2022. Good! They need to ask their husbands/boyfriends/or other male figurefirst, before they do it. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed May 4 15:14:38 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 4 14:53:38 2022. ONE issue. The other "shit show" issues will be ignored. |
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Posted by subfan on Wed May 4 15:17:30 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 4 14:13:21 2022. I'm not sure that we've concluded that we disagree on whether, as a matter of policy, abortion should or should not be allowed and at what point - I've been careful not to take a position on that in this discussion. The sole points I'm making are that there is a civil government interest in whether and when abortion should be allowed, and that there's no constitutional bar to government passing laws in accordance with that interest.Once those two points are established, government may decide to allow abortion on terms similar or even more lenient than those in place today, or to restrict it still further - reasonable people can disagree on what should be the case based on any number of factors, and whatever my personal view is on this point has nothing to do with the two primary points I made. Does that make sense to you? subfan |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Wed May 4 15:19:51 2022, in response to Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon May 2 21:41:29 2022. All this does is return abortion regulation back to the states. In the bluest states, abortion will still be legal. I'm guessing in New York abortions will still be available. |
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Posted by subfan on Wed May 4 15:22:07 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 4 14:13:56 2022. I'm sure...Seriously, though, while I'm obviously not evangelical and have some serious disagreements with them (not least theological ones - I'm Jewish and Orthodox), I am generally pretty careful not to denigrate others and their beliefs. subfan |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 4 15:52:39 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed May 4 15:14:38 2022. Like what? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 4 15:55:52 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by Mitch45 on Wed May 4 15:19:51 2022. A T Party Congresswoman has already introduced a bill banning abortion federally. After they steal the 2024 election like they tried in 2020, they’ll enact it. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 4 15:58:28 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by subfan on Wed May 4 15:22:07 2022. I have no problem attacking religion or faith as a concept. There’s no reason why that set of beliefs should be singled out for special care.And I’ve already admitted to being an anti-evangelical bigot. I don’t feel the same way about other religions. I might attack religion in general, but I won’t attack other religions besides the even jellicles. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 4 15:59:45 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by subfan on Wed May 4 15:17:30 2022. But I’m disagreeing with that, I’m saying that whatever the civil government interest in banning abortion may be, no anti-abortion law enacted or proposed since the 1970s in the US has been based on any such legitimate interest, except as a fig leaf. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 4 16:19:10 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by LuchAAA on Wed May 4 09:55:31 2022. I hate when people call her Margaret Sanger. Margaret Louise HigginsWhy; you don't like German last names, #37? or you don't like facing the truth about her being an atheist with a German last name? The name "Higgins" actually means "descendant of Vikings", so whoops, she may not be of Irish blood ultimately. Or maybe she's really English, since "Higgins" also has origins in Old English. Oh, and "Purcell" is of Norman origin. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed May 4 17:33:39 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by Mitch45 on Wed May 4 15:19:51 2022. AFAIK, abortions were legal in New York since 1970, 3 years before RvW. And they will still be legal no matter what the Supreme Court does. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed May 4 17:48:19 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed May 4 17:33:39 2022. Yes, unless Congress passes a nationwide ban. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed May 4 18:08:17 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by AlM on Wed May 4 17:48:19 2022. Possible, but unlikely. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 4 18:08:59 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed May 4 18:08:17 2022. That’s what people used to say about overturning Roe, and that dumb bitch Collins believed it. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed May 4 18:19:08 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 4 18:08:59 2022. Hasn't happened yet, but if it does, so what? I can't see why so many are getting their panties in a knot. It will then be up to each state and most will allow the procedure. Even NYS already said nothing will change here. Even out of staters will be allowed to get one w/o any residency requirements. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed May 4 18:36:22 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed May 4 18:08:17 2022. The bill has already been introduced. What would keep it from passing in 2025 if the Republicans hold the House, Senate, and Presidency? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 4 18:39:16 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed May 4 18:19:08 2022. We were talking about a nationwide ban.Now that the even jellicles have lost their main motivation to get out the vote, god only knows what horrors they’ll try to foist on the American republic. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 4 18:49:03 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed May 4 09:45:55 2022. MehI’d post the string of the 26th letter of the Roman alphabet, but Fuck Ruzzia. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed May 4 18:58:43 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 4 18:39:16 2022. I was talking about the reality of the availability of getting an abortion. I mean that's what its really all about, correct? |
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Posted by AlM on Wed May 4 19:02:37 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed May 4 18:58:43 2022. But there is a quite realistic possibility that by the end of 2025 no termination of any pregnancy, not even use of a morning-after pill, will be permitted anywhere in the United States. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed May 4 21:11:14 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed May 4 18:19:08 2022. Exactly and that was the error that this Supreme Court is seeking to correct. The decision always should have been left to the states. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed May 4 21:18:39 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by AlM on Wed May 4 19:02:37 2022. Well, if that's what the people of the states want then it should be their decision or are you not in favor of a democratic decision? |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed May 4 21:20:09 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by AlM on Wed May 4 19:02:37 2022. "...not even use of a morning-after pill,"How would that be enforced and what about the manufacturers of that pill. Would that be subject to drug trafficking laws? That doesn't make sense. |
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