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Posted by chicagoMotorman on Tue May 3 10:58:07 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by LuchAAA on Tue May 3 10:50:20 2022. STFU |
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Posted by chicagoMotorman on Tue May 3 10:59:08 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 3 10:42:53 2022. democrats are not "progressives"? |
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Posted by chicagoMotorman on Tue May 3 11:04:41 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by LuchAAA on Tue May 3 10:51:25 2022. 
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue May 3 11:06:26 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by Dave on Tue May 3 10:53:10 2022. ok. what if those babies were born? Then they would be "at risk youth".NYC saw a big drop in crime when 100's of 1000's of babies were aborted by the welfare system. These are the women more likely to give life to males who commit violent crimes as teens and early 20's. By aborting them, crime dropped. Places like Atlanta, Memphis, and New Orleans did not have abortion on demand and over the decades, crime in these once safe Southern cities, has predictably risen. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue May 3 11:11:29 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by chicagoMotorman on Tue May 3 11:04:41 2022. thanks for attacking.But we all know how and why abortion lowered crime. Conservatives are saying "this will save lives" referring to the SCOTUS decision. But whose lives will be saved? And whose lives will be in greater danger as a result of won't be aborted? |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 3 11:12:19 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by AlM on Tue May 3 09:48:47 2022. Lo@lm!!! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 3 11:13:17 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by LuchAAA on Tue May 3 10:49:16 2022. That doesn’t make sense. If you ban abortion for everyone, then you increase the birth rate for everyone else. On the other hand, if abortion remains legal, the group that’s against abortion will have more babies. If it were about numbers, they’d want the non-evangelicals to get abortions. The reality is that they found a cause that they can mobilize voters with. The fastest growing religious group now are the “nones” (not necessarily atheists) and the more reactionary the religious wrong acts, the fewer people will adhere to them over time. That’s why they’re obsessed with elections, since they know that free and fair elections will eventually be their death knell.I don’t think it’s confusing for Jews. Most Jews are well aware that the Hebrew Bible was “appropriated” into the Christian Bible and that Jesus was Jewish. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 3 11:13:38 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by Dave on Tue May 3 10:53:10 2022. IAWTP. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 3 11:14:20 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by LuchAAA on Tue May 3 11:06:26 2022. Crime dropped because they took lead out of gas. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 3 11:15:17 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by LuchAAA on Tue May 3 11:11:29 2022. Lives will be endangered. Statistically abortion is safer than childbirth. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 3 11:18:43 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by chicagoMotorman on Tue May 3 10:54:44 2022. That this is the majority opinion and will be published next month but for a few changes. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 3 11:20:00 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by chicagoMotorman on Tue May 3 10:59:08 2022. Not all of them are. I’m not. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue May 3 11:21:57 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 3 11:14:20 2022. Ha. Thanks for agreeing with my multiple prior posts making that assertion.I |
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Posted by AlM on Tue May 3 11:23:40 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 3 11:20:00 2022. I wish the people who now call themselves progressives hadn't destroyed a perfectly good word with misuse.Along with calling themselves socialists when they are really social democrats. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue May 3 11:24:37 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by AlM on Tue May 3 11:21:57 2022. So there is still lead in gas in Atlanta Memphis and New Orleans? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 3 11:28:45 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by AlM on Tue May 3 11:23:40 2022. Some of them are socialists.Remember how conservatives used to use liberal as an epithet? I always wore the badge proudly. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 3 11:29:31 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by LuchAAA on Tue May 3 11:24:37 2022. Is there still lead in gas in Baltimore? |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Tue May 3 11:59:48 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 3 11:20:00 2022. You are not a liberal? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 3 12:06:47 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by Chicagomotorman on Tue May 3 11:59:48 2022. I’m a liberal, I am not a progressive. |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Tue May 3 12:16:44 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by chicagoMotorman on Tue May 3 10:25:31 2022. NOPE |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Tue May 3 12:19:31 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe?, posted by chicagoMotorman on Tue May 3 10:21:55 2022. HOW ABOUT A WOMANS RIGHTS ? |
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Posted by chicagoMotorman on Tue May 3 13:12:14 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Tue May 3 12:16:44 2022. That's what I said. |
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Posted by chicagoMotorman on Tue May 3 13:12:53 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe?, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Tue May 3 12:19:31 2022. How about your hypocrisy? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 3 13:18:51 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe?, posted by mtk52983 on Tue May 3 06:27:04 2022. I'm not taking Pollutico's word that this is a "leaked draft opinion", which is unprecedented in US history. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 3 13:20:35 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by Train Dude on Tue May 3 07:07:37 2022. That's what that is indeed; a distraction. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 3 13:21:29 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe?, posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 3 13:18:51 2022. See, that’s the problem with you. You only believe in revelation, not observation. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 3 13:25:09 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe?, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 3 13:21:29 2022. I don't belive in fake news, and I trust leakers even less.Even when the leaker turns out to be John Roberts, one of the worst chief justices in US history. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue May 3 13:25:35 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe?, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 3 13:21:29 2022. He is right that it is incredibly unusual.And of course the final opinion will differ from this one, so that gives him the chance to say I told you so. And there is even the very low probability that it is all a fabrication. |
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Posted by Dave on Tue May 3 13:30:34 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe?, posted by AlM on Tue May 3 13:25:35 2022. CJ Roberts disagrees with you that it's a fabrication. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue May 3 13:38:03 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe?, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon May 2 22:29:15 2022. Maybe. But that won't stop abortions. It goes back to the individual states to allow. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 3 13:45:12 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue May 3 13:38:03 2022. Then the country is really gone. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 3 14:07:45 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe?, posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 3 13:45:12 2022. Yes. The even jellicles have won. |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Tue May 3 14:09:55 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe?, posted by chicagoMotorman on Tue May 3 13:12:53 2022. ARE YOU A WOMAN |
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Posted by subfan on Tue May 3 14:16:58 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 3 08:53:17 2022. What does the fact that opposition to abortion can be religiously motivated have to do with whether or not Roe is good law? The issue is if the court in Roe was correct or not in finding a "right" to abortion in the Constitution. If there is no such right there, then the issue is to be decided legislatively, likely at the state level, where you are welcome to try to make your arguments for a law allowing abortion.subfan |
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Posted by AlM on Tue May 3 14:33:22 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe?, posted by Dave on Tue May 3 13:30:34 2022. What do you mean, disagrees with me? I said there is a low probability it is a fabrication. Did Justice Roberts claim there was a high probability it is a fabrication? No, he did not, as far as I understand. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue May 3 14:35:02 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue May 3 13:38:03 2022. By the way, the next step is trying to pass a federal law banning abortion. A senator has already said she will introduce this soon. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 3 14:37:11 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe?, posted by AlM on Tue May 3 14:35:02 2022. They will get it done after they steal the 2024 election. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 3 14:46:12 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by subfan on Tue May 3 14:16:58 2022. Because laws based only on religious belief are unconstitutional. |
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Posted by subfan on Tue May 3 16:14:27 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 3 14:46:12 2022. That is incorrect. A law can be inspired by anything, including religious belief, and be constitutional - see the "blue laws" against commerce on Sunday for reference. A law is unconstitutional if it imposes religious acts - but prohibiting abortion is not the imposition of a religious act.subfan |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue May 3 16:23:03 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 3 10:38:43 2022. "Other animals have heartbeats too, it doesn’t make them human."But it makes them alive. Stopping a heartbeat ends a life. |
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Posted by Dave on Tue May 3 16:24:49 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe?, posted by AlM on Tue May 3 14:33:22 2022. Roberts said the draft decision is the real deal, a.k.a., not a fabrication. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 3 16:34:40 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by subfan on Tue May 3 16:14:27 2022. Prohibiting abortion is a religious act, because it’s the even jellicles’ religion that tells them that an embryo is a human being worthy of protection. Why should their insufferable faith inform the laws of a state? |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue May 3 16:41:39 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 3 16:34:40 2022. There are non-religious people who are against abortion. Even if they're not a majority, that still establishes that the reduction of the abortion issue to religious dogma is an oversimplification. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 3 16:43:09 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue May 3 16:23:03 2022. So what? I don’t think that ending a life is something that needs to be prevented. I have no problem ending the lives of other animals for the purposes of sustenance, or any other purpose. It’s humanity that’s special, not “life.” Besides, if you want to make it about “life,” there are plenty of organisms that don’t have hearts or heartbeats, they’re certainly still life, while an embryo without a heartbeat is still alive as it has living cells just the same. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 3 16:45:57 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue May 3 16:41:39 2022. It’s extremely rare, except in circumstances where there’s a population problem. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue May 3 16:46:32 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe?, posted by Dave on Tue May 3 16:24:49 2022. That is not a disagreement with my statement at all.I said low probability, he said zero probability. |
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Posted by Easy on Tue May 3 17:53:48 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue May 3 16:41:39 2022. I think that the majority of people regardless of religion think that a fetus is a baby. The people that plan to keep the baby certainly refer to the fetus as a baby. It’s only ever called a “fetus” when an abortion is involved. The terrible part is the number of people that agree that a fetus is a baby but are still pro-choice. I can’t wrap my brain around that. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue May 3 18:06:19 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 3 16:43:09 2022. I speak of evolved human beings, not "plenty of organisms". The presence of a heartbeat has always been the universal sign of life. I'll go so far as to say that the heartbeat has been recognized by the state as the presence of life or death. As an example, In the case of capital punishment, after the procedure, the execuitee is checked for a heartbeat. No heartbeat?? Mission accomplished. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 3 18:12:12 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by Easy on Tue May 3 17:53:48 2022. It’s not a fetus when it’s aborted, it’s almost always an embryo. The even jellicles and other women-are-brood-mares types have popularized the term fetus to get people to oppose abortion.Anyway, even when it’s scientifically a fetus, I don’t consider a fetus a baby. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 3 18:19:56 2022, in response to Re: Supreme Court to strike down Roe, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue May 3 18:06:19 2022. And yet thousands of people whose hearts have stopped beating have gone on to live for years longer. The heart is a pump and it only gets special recognition because ancient people thought it was more important than it really was.Note: this also leads to the monstrous practice of leaving braindead people “alive” connected to machines just because the heart still beats. The point is that a baby is its own human being, and that individual’s existence begins at some point, and it’s meaningless to consider that it begins when its present or future body can pump its own blood. |
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