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Eighty Years Ago Today
Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Dec 7 06:48:22 2021 Eighty years ago today, the gallant sailors, soldiers, and Marines of the United States Pacific Fleet, anchored at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, were peacefully going about their Sunday morning routines. Out of a warm, sunny sky, hundreds of fighter, dive-bomber, and torpedo planes from a Japanese strike force descended upon the ships, intent on their mission of decisively knocking the US Navy out of the Pacific Ocean. Their missiles struck home, entombing thousands of brave young men within the hulls of their vessels, smashing scores of aircraft on the ground, and splintering the piers from which the Fleet would have sailed to fight. The United States was thus plunged into the most catastrophic military conflict in human history. Thuis had the effect of shattering the complacency of people on the home front who, just the day before, were mostly content to stay out of the war, despite the existential threat the Axis clearly posed. All that changed utterly in a couple of hours on that soft, deadly, holiday-season morning. Please pause a moment to remember those valiant seamen, who served and died on the first day of our engagement in a war that would see unspeakable numbers of their comrades follow them into Valhalla. Requiescat In Pacem.
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Re: Eighty Years Ago Today
Posted by Fred G* on Tue Dec 7 07:04:46 2021, in response to Eighty Years Ago Today, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Dec 7 06:48:22 2021.* 80 years prior to Pearl Harbor we were in the Civil War
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Posted by JayZeeBMT* on Tue Dec 7 07:27:37 2021, in response to Re: Eighty Years Ago Today, posted by Fred G on Tue Dec 7 07:04:46 2021.* Another war started by the enemy.
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Re: Eighty Years Ago Today
Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Tue Dec 7 08:10:04 2021, in response to Eighty Years Ago Today, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Dec 7 06:48:22 2021.* RIP
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Re: Eighty Years Ago Today
Posted by Fisk Ave Jim* on Tue Dec 7 09:04:32 2021, in response to Eighty Years Ago Today, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Dec 7 06:48:22 2021.* Good Post!!
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Re: Eighty Years Ago Today
Posted by Catfish 44* on Tue Dec 7 09:07:16 2021, in response to Eighty Years Ago Today, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Dec 7 06:48:22 2021.* Respectful post Unfortunately it is fading away with time. I remember the very big deal it was in 1991 when it was the 50th anniversary and now nary a mention.
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Re: Eighty Years Ago Today
Posted by TransitChuckG* on Tue Dec 7 09:18:33 2021, in response to Eighty Years Ago Today, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Dec 7 06:48:22 2021.* We have a man at my senior facility who is now 98 years old, served in the Navy and remembers that day.
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Re: Eighty Years Ago Today
Posted by JayZeeBMT* on Tue Dec 7 09:52:55 2021, in response to Re: Eighty Years Ago Today, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Dec 7 09:04:32 2021.* Thank you!
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Posted by JayZeeBMT* on Tue Dec 7 09:53:21 2021, in response to Re: Eighty Years Ago Today, posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Dec 7 09:07:16 2021.* That's very sad.
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Tue Dec 7 10:29:19 2021, in response to Re: Eighty Years Ago Today, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Dec 7 09:18:33 2021.* Give him my best regards and thanks from NYC.
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Re: Eighty Years Ago Today
Posted by Catfish 44* on Tue Dec 7 10:35:47 2021, in response to Re: Eighty Years Ago Today, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Dec 7 09:53:21 2021.* It sure is.
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim* on Tue Dec 7 11:03:46 2021, in response to Re: Eighty Years Ago Today, posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Dec 7 09:07:16 2021.* I'm sure I'll not be around 50 yrs from now when 9/11 might suffer the same fate as to be ignored by the ignorant.
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Re: Eighty Years Ago Today
Posted by Chicagomotorman* on Tue Dec 7 12:11:30 2021, in response to Eighty Years Ago Today, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Dec 7 06:48:22 2021.* You wrote all that yourself?
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Posted by JayZeeBMT* on Tue Dec 7 12:37:59 2021, in response to Re: Eighty Years Ago Today, posted by Chicagomotorman on Tue Dec 7 12:11:30 2021.* Yes. Why are you questioning whether I wrote it?
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Tue Dec 7 13:12:10 2021, in response to Re: Eighty Years Ago Today, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Dec 7 11:03:46 2021.* I unfortunately agree.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Tue Dec 7 13:27:13 2021, in response to Re: Eighty Years Ago Today, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Dec 7 11:03:46 2021.* I’ve made that point before, that the 9/11 Memorial will be treated by people the same way as the Prison Ship Martyr’s Monument.
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Re: Eighty Years Ago Today
Posted by chicagoMotorman* on Tue Dec 7 13:35:07 2021, in response to Re: Eighty Years Ago Today, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Dec 7 12:37:59 2021.* First, very well written, and I agree with it. Second, I have always been under the impression that you didn't love your country.
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Re: Eighty Years Ago Today
Posted by JayZeeBMT* on Tue Dec 7 13:48:39 2021, in response to Re: Eighty Years Ago Today, posted by chicagoMotorman on Tue Dec 7 13:35:07 2021.* That's your misguided impression. Calling out the institutionalized racism of our society, and the gross misconduct of the far right in our country, is not the sane as "hating" our country.
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Re: Eighty Years Ago Today
Posted by JayZeeBMT* on Tue Dec 7 13:52:51 2021, in response to Re: Eighty Years Ago Today, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 7 13:27:13 2021.* I don't think so. Monuments like the Gettysburg Battlefield or the Tomb of The Unknown Solider are still treated with the reverence for history they deserve, to this day. Besides, the Prison Ship Monument is a huge obelisk in Fort Greene, that can be seen for miles around. It's unlikely to fade into obscurity anytime soon.
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Re: Eighty Years Ago Today
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Tue Dec 7 13:57:39 2021, in response to Re: Eighty Years Ago Today, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Dec 7 13:52:51 2021.* But nobody knows what it is!
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Posted by chicagoMotorman* on Tue Dec 7 14:14:17 2021, in response to Re: Eighty Years Ago Today, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Dec 7 13:48:39 2021.* The "institutionalized racism of our society" seems to come from the left. And more from the blacks especially.
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Posted by JayZeeBMT* on Tue Dec 7 14:16:17 2021, in response to Re: Eighty Years Ago Today, posted by chicagoMotorman on Tue Dec 7 14:14:17 2021.* No, it is a matter of contemporary and historical fact. It is the lived experience of millions and millions of Americans, including me.
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Posted by Mitch45* on Tue Dec 7 15:16:46 2021, in response to Re: Eighty Years Ago Today, posted by Fred G on Tue Dec 7 07:04:46 2021.* And 85 years before the Civil War, we declared independence from a tyrannical foreign power and thus created the greatest country this world has ever known.
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Posted by chicagoMotorman* on Tue Dec 7 15:18:49 2021, in response to Re: Eighty Years Ago Today, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Dec 7 14:16:17 2021.* History. Now there is reverse racism.
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Re: Eighty Years Ago Today
Posted by GP38/R42 Chris* on Tue Dec 7 15:20:39 2021, in response to Re: Eighty Years Ago Today, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Dec 7 11:03:46 2021.* It's already ignored by many.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Tue Dec 7 15:51:05 2021, in response to Re: Eighty Years Ago Today, posted by chicagoMotorman on Tue Dec 7 15:18:49 2021.* Bullshit.
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Posted by TransitChuckG* on Tue Dec 7 16:22:30 2021, in response to Re: Eighty Years Ago Today, posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Dec 7 10:29:19 2021.* I will, he grew up in Brighton Beach,Brooklyn NY, he could walk to Nathan's for a 5 cent Hot Dog.
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Tue Dec 7 17:09:40 2021, in response to Re: Eighty Years Ago Today, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Dec 7 16:22:30 2021.* Oh wow tell him I’m from Rockaway
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim* on Tue Dec 7 17:27:14 2021, in response to Re: Eighty Years Ago Today, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 7 13:27:13 2021.* "Prison Ship Martyr’s Monument." Never heard of it.
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim* on Tue Dec 7 17:33:25 2021, in response to Re: Eighty Years Ago Today, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Dec 7 15:20:39 2021.* I disagree. It (pre pandemic) drew pretty good crowds of mostlty tourists. It pains me that that sacred ground has morphed into a tourist destination with their selfies and whatnot as opposed to a monument to all who died there.
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Tue Dec 7 17:56:53 2021, in response to Re: Eighty Years Ago Today, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Dec 7 16:22:30 2021.* Oh wow tell him I’m from Rockaway
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Posted by TransitChuckG* on Tue Dec 7 17:57:13 2021, in response to Re: Eighty Years Ago Today, posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Dec 7 17:09:40 2021.* Ok, I will, thanks, Catfish 44
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Tue Dec 7 17:59:18 2021, in response to Re: Eighty Years Ago Today, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Dec 7 17:57:13 2021.* Thank you
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Tue Dec 7 18:03:23 2021, in response to Re: Eighty Years Ago Today, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Dec 7 17:27:14 2021.* See?
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Tue Dec 7 18:06:59 2021, in response to Re: Eighty Years Ago Today, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Dec 7 17:33:25 2021.* I don’t have a problem with all of the tourists there, as it is the site of a major historical event and a public memorial. But the happy selfies are unseemly.
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Re: Eighty Years Ago Today
Posted by Fred G* on Tue Dec 7 18:27:02 2021, in response to Re: Eighty Years Ago Today, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Dec 7 11:03:46 2021.* Events become forgotten as soon as the generation who experienced them die off. Once all the boomers are gone November 22 will be forgotten.
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim* on Tue Dec 7 18:33:59 2021, in response to Re: Eighty Years Ago Today, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 7 18:06:59 2021.* A still from a Simpson's episode first broadcast AFAIK in the mid 90s With a subtle 9/11 reference, an eerie premonition it would seem. I believe that "Simpson's Visit NYC" episode has been pulled from syndication
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim* on Tue Dec 7 18:35:40 2021, in response to Re: Eighty Years Ago Today, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 7 18:03:23 2021.* No... Sea!
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Tue Dec 7 18:52:41 2021, in response to Re: Eighty Years Ago Today, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Dec 7 18:33:59 2021.* It hasn’t been. It didn’t air in NYC for like ten years, but it has since aired here and aired regularly in syndication and on cable channels FXX and Freeform. It’s also on Disney+ with most of the rest of the series. There is, however, exactly one banned episode of the Simpsons.
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Posted by AlM* on Tue Dec 7 19:09:25 2021, in response to Re: Eighty Years Ago Today, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 7 13:57:39 2021.* I can make a good guess just based on the name.
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Posted by Dave* on Tue Dec 7 20:35:16 2021, in response to Re: Eighty Years Ago Today, posted by Fred G on Tue Dec 7 18:27:02 2021.* What I found interesting is that events that hold great importance to Americans are for the most part - with the exception of 9/11 - unknown in other countries. Back in 2014 when I was in Australia I was tossing back a pint or two with some people who sponsored a presentation I gave in Sydney. We were all in our mid-50's to mid-60's. I forget how it came up in conversation but I mentioned JFK's assassination. Blank stares from all of them; they had no idea who JFK was. When I explained he was an American president the blank stares continued. They had no idea what I was talking about and didn't know who he was. I was a bit taken aback but to be fair, I know nothing about Australia political history of the last 50 years.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Tue Dec 7 20:40:32 2021, in response to Re: Eighty Years Ago Today, posted by Dave on Tue Dec 7 20:35:16 2021.* Really? Both of my parents remember the Kennedy assassination and neither of them were Americans and would not set foot in America for many years.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Tue Dec 7 20:41:15 2021, in response to Re: Eighty Years Ago Today, posted by Dave on Tue Dec 7 20:35:16 2021.* Did they ask you where you were when Harold Holt disappeared?
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Posted by Fred G* on Tue Dec 7 20:49:52 2021, in response to Re: Eighty Years Ago Today, posted by Dave on Tue Dec 7 20:35:16 2021.* Possibly that Australia and the United States we’re not as intertwined in 1963 as they are now. I bet if you were raising glasses in Europe, everybody would have remembered JFK
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Tue Dec 7 20:59:28 2021, in response to Re: Eighty Years Ago Today, posted by Fred G on Tue Dec 7 20:49:52 2021.* Probably
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Posted by Jeff Rosen* on Wed Dec 8 00:43:03 2021, in response to Re: Eighty Years Ago Today, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Dec 7 11:03:46 2021.* Just like D-Day and even the Holocaust.
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Posted by Jeff Rosen* on Wed Dec 8 00:46:31 2021, in response to Re: Eighty Years Ago Today, posted by Fred G on Tue Dec 7 18:27:02 2021.* How many people know the significance of June 6th? I know I watch my copy of The Longest Day every June 6th as I feel it was one of the most important days in all of history. But most people don't know or even care. Most young people don't even know who we fought in WW2.
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Posted by Jeff Rosen* on Wed Dec 8 00:47:47 2021, in response to Re: Eighty Years Ago Today, posted by Dave on Tue Dec 7 20:35:16 2021.* Did anyone there even mention the NY international airport?
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Posted by Stephen Bauman* on Wed Dec 8 07:23:13 2021, in response to Re: Eighty Years Ago Today, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Dec 8 00:46:31 2021.* How many people know the significance of June 6th? What about 19 Nov 1942? That was the start of Operation Uranus, the Soviet counter offensive at Stalingrad. This resulted in the encirclement of the German 6th Army and its eventual destruction/surrender on 2 Feb 1943.
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Posted by Fred G* on Wed Dec 8 08:05:44 2021, in response to Re: Eighty Years Ago Today, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Dec 8 00:46:31 2021.* You're right. D-Day is a big one and even if people know it's important, many don't fully know what happened that day. Same with Pacific battles like Midway or Corregidor, which aren't D-Day level but still important milestones. I know people who don't know which war the raising of the flag on Mt. Suribachi took place in ("Korea")
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