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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Aug 5 08:14:04 2021 Comments are funny.Pathetic to call it Flushing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYx4uL8HFGU |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 5 09:02:21 2021, in response to Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Aug 5 08:14:04 2021. I didn't watch the video, but to comment on the "flushing" crap, that's because of the way the mail is delivered. The mail is broken up into towns. Everyone with in the Flushing district gets mail delivered to "Flushing, NY 11385", or whatever the zip is (For example Fushing, NY 11719" for middle village, and so forth. It was always a pet peave. Even if you put in a "Ridgewood" address on google maps, and put in "Flushing" instead of Ridgewood, it will bring you to the proper Ridgewood address. 4The same is true for "Jamaica" too. All the towns within that distruct also go to "Jamaican, NY 11XXX". |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 5 10:11:38 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 5 09:02:21 2021. If you go to the USPS “Find City with ZIP Code” feature and put in 11385, it gives Ridgewood or Glendale as preferred and Flushing as alternate. I assume it used to be the other way around but they switched it. I know about the old “11227,” so I mean they must have changed it general for the other 113s and the rest of Queens. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Aug 5 10:19:04 2021, in response to Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Aug 5 08:14:04 2021. I put in a Ridgewood address yesterday into the map for a wake I have to go to and it came back Flushing. I looked at it and said to myself that ain’t no Flushing what they talking bout? |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Aug 5 10:41:29 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 5 10:11:38 2021. It's different than the old 11227 Ridgewood, Brooklyn oddity. That's something unique to Ridgewood. The "Flushing, NY", or Jamaica, NY" effects much if Queens. Long Island City is another, and there are more |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Aug 5 10:50:04 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Aug 5 10:19:04 2021. It's bizarre, but 113XX zip codes are often characterized as Flushing, 114XX are characterized as Jamaica, 111XX as Long Island City, etc. It's very odd |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 5 10:59:05 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Aug 5 10:50:04 2021. Not really. Although I wonder why addresses in the former Town of Newtown get the Flushing, NY treatment instead of being part of LIC (which was formerly part of Newtown) or its own thing. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Thu Aug 5 10:59:38 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Aug 5 10:50:04 2021. no, it is the postal routing... as long as the name, address, and apt/unit (if any) the local name (like Fresh Meadows kew Gardens, etc) is not relevant since the zip will determine the path...the first 3 indicate the area main, the last 2 will point to a specific station where the carrier work out of |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Aug 5 11:05:35 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 5 10:59:05 2021. I don't know. The Flushing thing always bothered me. But then I realized they did it "Jamaica", for Richmond Hill and the 114XX towns, And Long island city for Astoria, and the 111XX towns |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Aug 5 11:06:37 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by pragmatist on Thu Aug 5 10:59:38 2021. Yes. But that is true for most zips. I haven't heard them do this outside if Queens though |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Aug 5 11:11:32 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 5 10:59:05 2021. This brings another question though.Why do they not use neighborhood names in the rest of the boroughs, but do in queens? You say, Brooklyn, NY 1XXXX, not Borough Park, NY 1XXXX? Or New York, NY, not Greenwich Village NY 10XXX. Or Bronx, NY 1XXXX, not Motthaven, NY 1XXXX. Or Staten Island, NY 1XXXX instead of Totten ille, NY 1XXXX. But they say Elmhurst, NY 11XXX instead of Queens, NY 11XXX |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 5 11:42:46 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Aug 5 11:06:37 2021. There are other places where the political boundaries don’t match the postal boundaries (nearly all of LI) and places with alternate post office names. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 5 11:44:23 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Aug 5 11:05:35 2021. Before 1898 Richmond Hill was in the Town of Jamaica and Astoria was in the City of Long Island City so it’s a historical relic.But Ridgewood was never part of Flushing. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Thu Aug 5 11:46:51 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Aug 5 11:11:32 2021. tradition/convention as long as the zip is correct and readable no in the post office cares, a machine is going to route it... |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 5 11:47:54 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Aug 5 11:11:32 2021. Manhattan has always been part of a single city since 1664.Bronx joined NYC earlier than the other boroughs. Brooklyn was a unified city slightly before it was annexed to NYC. I believe that Staten Island actually used the Queens system for a long time, but switched to a single “city” by the time ZIP codes were developed. So I just assume that Queens was too far gone by then. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Aug 5 11:49:35 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by pragmatist on Thu Aug 5 11:46:51 2021. Agreed. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Thu Aug 5 12:14:22 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 5 11:47:54 2021. local designators were much more important prior to zip, and the subsequent automated processing of most mail... distribution clerks had to study and memorize where mail was sent for next level sort/distribution it was called "scheme" you got a box of cards (like business cards) with the name of a place, and the clerk had to call out where the mail went...my father sorted outgoing NY mail, so an example might be skaneateles, answer syracuse sectional center... the exams were every couple of years, the examiner picked 100 out of the pack, you needed a pretty high score to stay qualified as a clerk. if you couldn't do it you could be dropped to "mailhandler" a lower paid craftback then I was Fresh meadows 65, NY |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 5 12:21:10 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by pragmatist on Thu Aug 5 12:14:22 2021. Cool. Thanks for the info.But it still it doesn’t answer Chris’s question why the other boroughs are each unified while Queens isn’t. Obviously the separate LIC, Jamaica, Flushing, Far Rockaway are remnants of the pre-ZIP era (before the Post Office ripped off Manic Mailman to make Mr. ZIP) but why then did say, Staten Island, get “unified” in that era? |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Aug 5 12:46:52 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 5 12:21:10 2021. Obviously the separate LIC, Jamaica, Flushing, Far Rockaway are remnants of the pre-ZIP eraThough they still have meaning in the post-zip era because they are each a different 3-digit zip, whereas all of Staten Island is 103xx. Which still doesn't answer why don't you have SI neighborhood, NY, 103xx, but you do have Queens neighborhood, NY 111xx, 113xx, 114xx, or 116xx. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Aug 5 13:24:03 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 5 11:47:54 2021. One thing that annoys me is that people from Queens and Staten Island refer to their neighborhoods as "towns". |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 5 13:25:33 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by AlM on Thu Aug 5 12:46:52 2021. But the first three digits vary because they were different postal cities. One interesting thing is that the last two digits (except for the 110xx set) of every ZIP Code in Queens is unique. Before 1960 Queens XX, New York was not ambiguous.11101-09 11411-39 11351-89 11690-99 |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Aug 5 15:10:50 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 5 11:44:23 2021. Yeah, doesn't make sense, is there even a Newtown post office though? |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Aug 5 15:12:05 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by pragmatist on Thu Aug 5 11:46:51 2021. This is absolutely true, but it's not a "mistake", like in other cases. They actually do it on purpose |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Aug 5 15:14:10 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by pragmatist on Thu Aug 5 12:14:22 2021. That is all true, but it's not the point. For 4 of the 5 Burroughs, they officially use Manhattan, Bronx, Brooklyn or Staten island. In Queens they do not, they use the neighborhood name just like they do everywhere else |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Aug 5 15:14:56 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 5 12:21:10 2021. Exactly. He's totally correct but we're talking about two different things |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Aug 5 15:16:42 2021, in response to Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Aug 5 08:14:04 2021. Luch....we torally hijacked your thread.... you did mention the flushing thing.Lol |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Aug 5 15:24:16 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 5 11:42:46 2021. Where on long island? Curious what you mean |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 5 15:25:53 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Aug 5 15:10:50 2021. Newtown hamlet was renamed Elmhurst. All of the former town’s area are part of Flushing 113.The borders between the old towns are almost perfectly represented by the modern day postal cities, except for Flushing “annexing” Newtown. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Aug 5 15:28:43 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 5 11:42:46 2021. Not LI, but I once mailed something to someone who lived in the municipality of Marlboro, NJ, without a zip code. It got returned addressee unknown because his home wasn't in the jurisdiction of the Marlboro PO. I would have needed to say Morganville NJ. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Aug 5 15:32:34 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 5 15:25:53 2021. I guess since it's "annexed it", it took over it too. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 5 15:35:12 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Aug 5 15:24:16 2021. Basically on LI the post office and the municipal boundaries are almost always different. In fact, in Nassau only Sea Cliff corresponds to its own ZIP code.A major example is the county government complex in “Mineola.” All of the county government buildings there have a “Mineola, NY 11501” ZIP code. But every single one of those buildings is in the Village of Garden City, which otherwise has a 11530 ZIP. It’s sort of like how Ridgewood used to be part of “Brooklyn, NY 11227” despite never having been in Brooklyn, at least not the part that’s not still in Brooklyn. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Aug 5 15:38:09 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 5 15:35:12 2021. I don't know Nassau county as well as Suffolk and especially not that part of Nassau.Aside from that you did say most of the Long Island and I can't think of any place in Suffolk like that. All the parts of Nassau I'm familiar with |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Aug 5 15:42:59 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Aug 5 15:38:09 2021. I mean or the parts of Nassau I am familiar with |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 5 15:57:02 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Aug 5 15:32:34 2021. No, it didn’t. Both towns were annexed by the city in 1898. One was never part of the other. That’s why I put “annexed” in quotes because I don’t know why the former Newtown gets its mail from the former Flushing and not the former LIC. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 5 16:02:28 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Aug 5 15:42:59 2021. A Suffolk example is that except for the Supreme Court building in downtown Riverhead by the LIRR station, all of the other country government buildings are in a complex off of Center Drive south of NY-24. They have a Riverhead, NY address but are in the Town of Southampton. This includes the County Clerk’s Office, the county jail and Sheriff’s office (corrections division) and another courthouse. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Aug 5 16:49:41 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 5 16:02:28 2021. Town of Southampton, not the hamlet of such. You are confusing townships which is a group of hamlets/villages |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 5 17:08:51 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Aug 5 16:49:41 2021. It doesn’t matter. It’s completely analogous to what we were discussing in Queens where part of one town is part of the post office zone of another.And there is not one village on Long Island with the one exception I mentioned who postal boundary matches its political boundary. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 5 17:13:09 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 5 17:08:51 2021. https://www.city-data.com/forum/long-island/1273564-li-you-aint-where-you-think.html |
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Posted by Bob Andersen on Thu Aug 5 17:13:41 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Aug 5 10:41:29 2021. Also odd - the old 11227 Ridgewood Post Office on Wyckoff Ave. near Myrtle was on the Queens side of Wyckoff Ave. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Aug 5 17:15:45 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 5 17:08:51 2021. No it is not. As township names are not used on mail in Suffolk, at all. Their individual zip codes are. That's not at all analogous to what they do in queens. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 5 17:22:03 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Aug 5 17:15:45 2021. Riverhead is also a hamlet, and the Center Drive complex is not inside it, so the example applies. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Aug 5 19:07:31 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Aug 5 15:16:42 2021. It's the natural flow of a conversation.This thread is about NYC Manhattan elites messing up on Queens. It's also about crime, violence, etc..... |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Aug 5 19:46:51 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 5 17:22:03 2021. It's a court complex. So is garden city... And Central Islip. Those are the only exceptions in I know you of....and it's not even similar |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 5 19:55:12 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Aug 5 19:46:51 2021. I posted the link for every exception. The Roosevelt Field Mall is in Garden City, NY but is not in the Village of Garden City. Westbury, NY works the same way. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Aug 5 21:39:11 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 5 15:25:53 2021. I doubt the postmaster in the 60s or whenever they assigned these zip codes know a thing about the history of the area and was just making something work for his crews. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Aug 5 21:41:02 2021, in response to Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Aug 5 08:14:04 2021. Man o man I wish I was walking by when that happened. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 5 22:00:03 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Aug 5 21:39:11 2021. The Second Ward getting mail via “Flushing, New York” predated the 60s. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Aug 6 00:38:57 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by Bob Andersen on Thu Aug 5 17:13:41 2021. The borders did change at some point.That border is interesting because my family always lived on tge Brooklyn side in tge 50s and 60s and considered it Lower Ridgewood. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Aug 6 02:07:46 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 5 22:00:03 2021. You understand what I mean |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Aug 6 02:09:35 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Aug 6 00:38:57 2021. When Botswyck got ugly Ridgewood wanted nothing to do with Brooklyn |
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