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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Oct 21 20:49:38 2020 For the first time in 54 years, the highly popular "A Charlie Brown Christmas" will not be shown on network TV this season. It was bumped down to some obscure outlet known as Apple TV. For decades it was part of the holiday season programming rotation (Rudolph, Grinch, Frosty etc.) but no more. For the last few years it was shown more than once during the season, indicating that the popularity was there, and the sponsors made $$$. But no more.Pure speculation on my part, it wouldn't suprise me that some elements of the ultra left put the squeeze on network suits a/c the use of the word "Christmas" and Linus' reading of the biblical passage about the real meaning of Christmas contained within that got the show tossed. If true about the pressure, we've sunk to a new low. Its a damn shame. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Oct 21 20:53:50 2020, in response to Charlie Brown gets the Boot off Network TV, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Oct 21 20:49:38 2020. Was it bumped down or did Apple pay more? It’s lame anyway. You do realize that? |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Oct 21 20:58:46 2020, in response to Charlie Brown gets the Boot off Network TV, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Oct 21 20:49:38 2020. Pure speculation on my part, it wouldn't suprise me that some elements of the ultra left put the squeeze on network suits a/c the use of the word "Christmas"...The Great Pumpkin will also be streamed free to Apple TV. So much for your speculation regarding Christmas.. It looks like the Charles Schultz estate got a better offer from Apple. Good Grief! |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Oct 21 21:14:08 2020, in response to Charlie Brown gets the Boot off Network TV, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Oct 21 20:49:38 2020. At first thought I thought it was ridiculous, but then again, it's not 1985vanymire where most people only have broadcast TV. |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Oct 21 21:36:52 2020, in response to Re: Charlie Brown gets the Boot off Network TV, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Oct 21 21:14:08 2020. But not everyone has Apple TV, either. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Oct 21 21:38:51 2020, in response to Re: Charlie Brown gets the Boot off Network TV, posted by Dave on Wed Oct 21 21:36:52 2020. It’s on YouTube for now. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Oct 21 21:40:23 2020, in response to Re: Charlie Brown gets the Boot off Network TV, posted by Dave on Wed Oct 21 21:36:52 2020. This is true....but it seems there are days they are offering it free |
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Posted by pragmatist on Wed Oct 21 21:46:12 2020, in response to Re: Charlie Brown gets the Boot off Network TV, posted by Dave on Wed Oct 21 21:36:52 2020. I think it will be opened up at no charge on a couple of streaming services, not sure which ones beyond apple. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Oct 21 21:57:43 2020, in response to Charlie Brown gets the Boot off Network TV, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Oct 21 20:49:38 2020. Holy shit, that’s terrible.When I was a kid in the ‘70s, I looked forward to all of the Charlie Brown specials on CBS, especially “A Charlie Brown Christmas”. My yeshiva friends used to watch it too. We never felt remotely threatened or insulted by the Christmas message even though we were Jewish. I also used to love “Davey & Goliath” when I was a kid. I’m glad I grew up in a time when people just weren’t so wacky about political correctness. Today’s kids are missing out on so much. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Oct 21 22:03:47 2020, in response to Re: Charlie Brown gets the Boot off Network TV, posted by Easy on Wed Oct 21 20:53:50 2020. No, he doesn’t. He’s obviously deep into the conservative rabbit hole. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Oct 21 22:04:13 2020, in response to Re: Charlie Brown gets the Boot off Network TV, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Oct 21 21:57:43 2020. The problem is, those pushing for "diversity" (the left) are actually the ones taking it away making a much more homogeneous society. Sad. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Oct 21 22:06:26 2020, in response to Re: Charlie Brown gets the Boot off Network TV, posted by Dave on Wed Oct 21 21:36:52 2020. Apple TV+ is the least interesting of the streaming services and luckily given that, the least accessible. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Oct 21 22:43:51 2020, in response to Re: Charlie Brown gets the Boot off Network TV, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Oct 21 21:57:43 2020. That’s only Jim’s fantasy that this is due to political correctness. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Oct 21 23:43:29 2020, in response to Charlie Brown gets the Boot off Network TV, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Oct 21 20:49:38 2020. The "ultra"-left owns the network. But you know the old (by now) saying: get woke, go broke. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Oct 22 06:21:59 2020, in response to Charlie Brown gets the Boot off Network TV, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Oct 21 20:49:38 2020. The streaming networks are the way of the future. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Oct 22 06:33:23 2020, in response to Re: Charlie Brown gets the Boot off Network TV, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Oct 21 21:57:43 2020. I agree that there's too much political correctness these days but there's no evidence that this has anything to do with P.C. Stop with the paranoia. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Oct 22 06:34:46 2020, in response to Re: Charlie Brown gets the Boot off Network TV, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Oct 21 22:43:51 2020. ..and Mitch's. But at least we won't see a repost by Jim a few hours later. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Thu Oct 22 07:25:40 2020, in response to Re: Charlie Brown gets the Boot off Network TV, posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Oct 22 06:33:23 2020. Agree totally. If it was a PC thing, it hardly seems likely Apple would be the place it landed.... |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Oct 22 07:43:08 2020, in response to Charlie Brown gets the Boot off Network TV, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Oct 21 20:49:38 2020. Oh, please. If the Moon goes into eclipse, that's the "radical left's" fault, too, in your eyes. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Oct 22 07:50:19 2020, in response to Charlie Brown gets the Boot off Network TV, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Oct 21 20:49:38 2020. What's so popular about a bunch of mid-western white kids celebrating a colonialist holiday? |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Thu Oct 22 07:53:42 2020, in response to Re: Charlie Brown gets the Boot off Network TV, posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Oct 22 06:33:23 2020. “Paranoia strikes deepInto your life it will creep It starts when you're always afraid You step out of line The man come and take you away” |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Oct 22 07:55:53 2020, in response to Re: Charlie Brown gets the Boot off Network TV, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Oct 21 21:57:43 2020. I got them all at the Sam's Club.Who needs editing and commercials from a bunch of woke aholes that are obsessed with genitalia (Network execs). |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Oct 22 07:56:12 2020, in response to Re: Charlie Brown gets the Boot off Network TV, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Oct 22 07:55:53 2020. Oh and Pedo's. (Netflix) |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Oct 22 08:23:13 2020, in response to Re: Charlie Brown gets the Boot off Network TV, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Oct 21 20:58:46 2020. I don't get that. It was a consistent moneymaker for the networks, therefore, why let it go to an obscure streaming service? The numbers don't lie as in the number of broadcast TV viewers v/s folks out there that have Apple. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Oct 22 08:29:17 2020, in response to Re: Charlie Brown gets the Boot off Network TV, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Oct 22 07:43:08 2020. Oh, please. I posted opinion and speculation. In response, you post nonsense. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Thu Oct 22 08:58:44 2020, in response to Re: Charlie Brown gets the Boot off Network TV, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Oct 22 07:50:19 2020. what the phuck is a "colonialist holiday"??we were a colony. of england. of spain. the dutch, also, had a piece of us. we threw off their respective yokes of oppression. here we is. "colonialist holiday" my son of a son and daughter's parents immigrant patriot ass. |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Oct 22 09:10:12 2020, in response to Charlie Brown gets the Boot off Network TV, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Oct 21 20:49:38 2020. Not to argue against your point, but where does "The Bible," meaning the NT, explain "the true meaning of Christmas." It talks about the birth of Y'shua ben Yosef. but the date of that celebratory event was almost certainly in the Spring.The late December date was probably meant to preempt ancient Winter Solstice celebration, as Easter preempts Pasach. |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Oct 22 09:20:23 2020, in response to Re: Charlie Brown gets the Boot off Network TV, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Oct 21 22:03:47 2020. I'm not assigning political pressure to this, but the self-censorship in media to avoid traditional displays may well be to blame.A curious example I recently noticed was a children's cartoon show in which the characters all described the reasons we are thankful as a celebratory feast day. They all called it "Giving Thanks Day," over and over. Of course, it may just have been that they knew using the traditional name may have triggered turkeys. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Oct 22 09:23:37 2020, in response to Re: Charlie Brown gets the Boot off Network TV, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Oct 22 08:23:13 2020. why let it go to an obscure streaming service?Apparently, as Stephen suggests, because they paid more. |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Oct 22 09:38:02 2020, in response to Re: Charlie Brown gets the Boot off Network TV, posted by AlM on Thu Oct 22 09:23:37 2020. Apple TV may be relatively obscure now, but they have an extremely deep pockets parent to make them more familiar. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Oct 22 09:57:03 2020, in response to Re: Charlie Brown gets the Boot off Network TV, posted by SLRT on Thu Oct 22 09:20:23 2020. That fueled my speculation. They didn't let go of the very popular Grinch, Frosty, or Rudolph. Only Charley Brown. Connecting the dots in my mind was the "Christmas" and Biblical passage reading by Linus that led to the move. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Oct 22 10:37:22 2020, in response to Re: Charlie Brown gets the Boot off Network TV, posted by AlM on Thu Oct 22 09:23:37 2020. Apple has significantly deeper pockets than any of the networks. They are a bigger company than ViacomCBS, Comcast, Fox Corporation, The Walt Disney Company, or AT&T.In any case, since Apple TV+ is supposedly obscure, bringing known programming on board boosts brand recognition. Many companies do things at a loss for marketing purposes. This is completely in conflict with any theory that A Charlie Brown Christmas is controversial. But pretty much everything is in conflict with the Conservative Persecution Complex. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Thu Oct 22 10:42:33 2020, in response to Re: Charlie Brown gets the Boot off Network TV, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Oct 22 10:37:22 2020. They have windows where non subscribers will have access for free. Would not be surprised if they heavily pitch their service. Streaming services are becoming more common and popular, why not try something like this. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Oct 22 10:52:33 2020, in response to Re: Charlie Brown gets the Boot off Network TV, posted by pragmatist on Thu Oct 22 10:42:33 2020. A) OTR quality is supreriorB) I don't want to give my credit card # for something that's "free". |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Oct 22 10:56:59 2020, in response to Re: Charlie Brown gets the Boot off Network TV, posted by pragmatist on Thu Oct 22 10:42:33 2020. I know. If anything, putting it on a streaming service is giving it more exposure, not less. I might watch A Charlie Brown Christmas again if it showed up as a suggestion to me, but there’s no way I would just tune into CBS or whatever network when they happen to air it. Maybe for a weekly show, but not a one-off special. |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Oct 22 10:59:31 2020, in response to Re: Charlie Brown gets the Boot off Network TV, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Oct 21 20:58:46 2020. That's how it works. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Thu Oct 22 11:05:07 2020, in response to Re: Charlie Brown gets the Boot off Network TV, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Oct 22 10:56:59 2020. People laughed at some of these services in the beginning, but many of them have become major forces. No one laughs at Netflix, or HBO (also a cable premium), they have produced enormously successful original programming and are a major force in the industry today. Same for Amazon Prime Video. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Oct 22 11:07:09 2020, in response to Re: Charlie Brown gets the Boot off Network TV, posted by pragmatist on Thu Oct 22 11:05:07 2020. Netflix is garbage.HBO always sucked. Amazon kicks your shows off before you get to finish a season. You're listening to pedo's too much. Only junkies have time to waste their lives in front of the boob toob. Plenty of people don't watch any of it. Just because they produce 500 shows a season, and Netflix kills off almost everything in 2 seasons doesn't mean we have to join the cult. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Oct 22 11:10:27 2020, in response to Re: Charlie Brown gets the Boot off Network TV, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Oct 22 11:07:09 2020. Just because they produce 500 shows a season, and Netflix kills off almost everything in 2 seasons doesn't mean we have to join the cult.You will have no choice. None of the networks is is independent. They are part of larger corporations. They will be shut down by their parent, once they become unprofitable for a few years. That's capitalism. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Oct 22 11:11:48 2020, in response to Re: Charlie Brown gets the Boot off Network TV, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Oct 22 11:10:27 2020. Fox is independent now. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Thu Oct 22 11:16:14 2020, in response to Re: Charlie Brown gets the Boot off Network TV, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Oct 22 10:52:33 2020. Quality varies widely by where you live and the way you receive your signal. I cable and high speed internet on fiber, both are better than any antenna I could use. I know they use the "sign up & forget to cancel after a month" bit normally, I don't know if that is in effect for this special or not. I don't use the service myself. I don't even like to give my credit card for stuff I have to pay for, online security is a real issue. It is almost worth it to have a low limit or prepaid card just for stuff like this.... |
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Posted by pragmatist on Thu Oct 22 11:21:59 2020, in response to Re: Charlie Brown gets the Boot off Network TV, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Oct 22 11:07:09 2020. Your tastes are precisely that, yours....Orange is the New Black, and Game of Thrones, and the Sopranos, were/are some of the most successful shows broadcast. Nobody twists your arm to subscribe, shows that make money stay, shows that don't usually go away..It's hard to pay the bills on "artistic merit" alone |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Oct 22 11:32:18 2020, in response to Re: Charlie Brown gets the Boot off Network TV, posted by pragmatist on Thu Oct 22 11:21:59 2020. And the reason you are lacking in your views of the world are readily apparent as well. Change your name to Lowest common denominator. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Thu Oct 22 13:55:04 2020, in response to Re: Charlie Brown gets the Boot off Network TV, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Oct 22 09:57:03 2020. Fun fact: the biblical passage was controversial even when it first came out. The network execs were reluctant, but it proved to be a big hit. |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Oct 22 14:00:07 2020, in response to Re: Charlie Brown gets the Boot off Network TV, posted by 3-9 on Thu Oct 22 13:55:04 2020. That’s because the audience for Christmas programming acknowledge it is celebrating the birth of Christ, and thus the story surrounding it. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Oct 22 14:34:52 2020, in response to Re: Charlie Brown gets the Boot off Network TV, posted by 3-9 on Thu Oct 22 13:55:04 2020. Thats very true. I remember the network execs wanted that biblical passage removed. Shulz wouldn't hear of it & threatened to cancel his rights agreement if they wouldn't allow it. The execs backed down and the rest, as they say, is history. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Oct 22 14:55:27 2020, in response to Re: Charlie Brown gets the Boot off Network TV, posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Oct 22 06:34:46 2020. +45000 |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Oct 22 15:13:40 2020, in response to Re: Charlie Brown gets the Boot off Network TV, posted by SLRT on Thu Oct 22 09:10:12 2020. You're getting a little bit deep into the weeds on this. I was just focusing on (and not in any historical sense)the biblical passage woven into the story line of "A Charlie Brown Christmas" and the speculation that the godless left that reeks of intolerance under the guise of "PC" might have been a factor in Charlie Brown moving on off of mainstream network TV.Thats all. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Oct 22 15:18:26 2020, in response to Re: Charlie Brown gets the Boot off Network TV, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Oct 21 22:04:13 2020. Yep |
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Posted by pragmatist on Thu Oct 22 16:03:05 2020, in response to Re: Charlie Brown gets the Boot off Network TV, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Oct 22 15:13:40 2020. This goes well beyond the CB Christmas Special, it also covers The Great Pumpkin and the Thanksgiving shows... |
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