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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Sep 14 17:36:38 2020 if the cops in that case aren't indicted expect a few nights of nationwide unrest. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Sep 15 06:23:38 2020, in response to futurethread: Breonna Taylor riots, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Sep 14 17:36:38 2020. If Americans aren't safe from agents of the state killing them as they sleep in their own beds, there SHOULD be rioting. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Sep 15 06:37:15 2020, in response to Re: futurethread: Breonna Taylor riots, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Sep 15 06:23:38 2020. What about people sitting in a car doing their jobs and randomly being shot? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 15 07:07:53 2020, in response to Re: futurethread: Breonna Taylor riots, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Sep 15 06:23:38 2020. "There should be rioting." and not redress in the courts. Hold innocent people responsible for the alleged grievances of others. Destroy property and injure and kill innocent people for actions they have no part in or are not responsible for. Burn and loot businesses of innocent people instead of holding those responsible, accountable. That says much more about you and your upbringing than you might care to reveal but I suspect it proves many here correct WRT how they view you. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Sep 15 07:33:48 2020, in response to Re: futurethread: Breonna Taylor riots, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Sep 15 06:37:15 2020. That's unacceptable, too. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Sep 15 07:43:03 2020, in response to Re: futurethread: Breonna Taylor riots, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Sep 15 06:23:38 2020. it was a mistake. they were fired upon and returned fire.I do think riots when cops don't stand trial. |
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Posted by rkba on Tue Sep 15 08:27:55 2020, in response to Re: futurethread: Breonna Taylor riots, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Sep 15 06:23:38 2020. americans are safe from the police, you nitwit. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Sep 15 08:38:26 2020, in response to Re: futurethread: Breonna Taylor riots, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Sep 15 06:23:38 2020. Do you realize the police were shot at first??? Yes, I know it was a mistaken identity and her boyfriend thought it was a home invasion BUT THE POLICE DIDN'T KNOW THAT!! If someone shoots at you, you don't just stand there like Superman, you do what you have to do, just like Breonna's friend. It was tragic, I feel for her death, but THE POLICE WERE COMPLETELY JUSTIFIED!!Oh, and don't give me that shit about the warrant and postal inspectors. That's a moot point as the cops thought they had a valid warrant. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Sep 15 08:39:14 2020, in response to Re: futurethread: Breonna Taylor riots, posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 15 07:07:53 2020. I agree with the post. |
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Posted by rkba on Tue Sep 15 08:43:38 2020, in response to Re: futurethread: Breonna Taylor riots, posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 15 07:07:53 2020. jayzee doesn't give a fuck about what's right, all he sees is "orange/white man bad." |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Sep 15 09:18:17 2020, in response to Re: futurethread: Breonna Taylor riots, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Sep 15 07:43:03 2020. The NRA has long advocated gun owners' right to protect their homes from intruders. If a gang of strangers in street clothes suddenly broke your front door down in the middle of the night, would you assume they were the police, or home invasion burglars? |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Sep 15 09:28:39 2020, in response to Re: futurethread: Breonna Taylor riots, posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Sep 15 08:39:14 2020. Hmmm. A bunch of cops in street clothes broke into Taylor's house unannounced, in the middle of the night, and her boyfriend, reasonably believing then to be home Invaders, defended himself and his sleeping girlfriend with a legal gun, exactly as the NRA has advocated for at least the past forty years. Breonna was lawfully asleep in her own bed when she was killed by cops firing blindly into the darkened residence.Please do tell me how seeking redress in the court system would have helped Breonna, especially given that the judicial system was manipulated by the police and prosecutors in this case twice: once when they falsely claimed a "postal inspector" observed packages of drugs being delivered to the house (they weren't, it was the wrong house, and there was no such "inspector" at all) and again when the DA's office offered the actual suspect in the case, Breonna's EX-boyfriend, a no-jail plea deal if he would implicate her postmortem. He refused, opting instead to take a ten-year jail sentence, which should tell you EVERYTHING you need to know about the fraudulence of this entire case. Shit like this is why we have NO confidence that working within the system and observing the rules will benefit us in any way at all. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 15 09:32:09 2020, in response to Re: futurethread: Breonna Taylor riots, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Sep 15 09:28:39 2020. I agree. The only solution is to riot. Beat and kill innocent white people. Burn and loot businesses. Try to kill cops and occupy police precincts. That how you get justice in miniman land. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Sep 15 09:36:19 2020, in response to Re: futurethread: Breonna Taylor riots, posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Sep 15 08:38:26 2020. 1. The NRA has for the past forty years, advocated the defense of one's home using guns against home invaders. Why is that premise now suddenly invalid in this case? Breonna's boyfriend couldn't possibly have known the police were the ones breaking into the house.2. How could the police be justified if they weren't supposed to be there in the first place? 3. It is the legal responsibility of the police not to commit perjury when submitting a warrant application for approval. It is the job of police supervisors to make sure that warrants are not based on fabrications. Clearly, no bosses even bothered to check the work of their subordinates. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Sep 15 09:37:39 2020, in response to Re: futurethread: Breonna Taylor riots, posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 15 07:07:53 2020. With all due respect, weren't there some "riots" that helped lead to the founding of this country? Like that famous Boston Tea Party? There was destruction of property there, wasn't there? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 15 09:49:09 2020, in response to Re: futurethread: Breonna Taylor riots, posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Sep 15 09:37:39 2020. So then, you are comparing the issues that brought about the Boston tea party with the unjustified shooting of one person? Would you be so understanding if you were pulled from your car and had your skull cracked with a brick because a warrant was improperly served? You'd feel that it was justified if your family business was looted and burned over a possible error? Or are we just so liberal and understanding because it wasn't us? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 15 10:19:22 2020, in response to Re: futurethread: Breonna Taylor riots, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Sep 15 06:23:38 2020. Disgusting post. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 15 10:20:24 2020, in response to Re: futurethread: Breonna Taylor riots, posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 15 07:07:53 2020. Not just the courts. The other two branches also. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 15 10:20:53 2020, in response to Re: futurethread: Breonna Taylor riots, posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Sep 15 08:39:14 2020. +1 |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 15 10:23:57 2020, in response to Re: futurethread: Breonna Taylor riots, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Sep 15 09:28:39 2020. By calling attention to the egregious violation of Ms. Taylor’s rights, peacefully, the public comes around to your side and there are legislative and administrative solutions, such as a change in police policy. By rioting, the public will disdain your views, and do nothing to solve them. Not to mention that rioting is a CRIME, and more crime means more support for an oppressive police. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 15 10:28:36 2020, in response to Re: futurethread: Breonna Taylor riots, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 15 10:23:57 2020. Not to mention that also that avenging an innocent victim by creating hundreds of other innocent victims makes no sense except to the small minded and hateful excuse seekers. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 15 10:30:05 2020, in response to Re: futurethread: Breonna Taylor riots, posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Sep 15 09:37:39 2020. Which only led to Parliament enacting the Intolerable Acts.But in terms of the morality of destroying property, that tea belonged to a crown corporation and a state monopoly,* and not to random shopkeepers whose livelihoods are thereby destroyed. *Yes, destroying state property is somewhat justifiable compared to private property. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Sep 15 10:33:25 2020, in response to Re: futurethread: Breonna Taylor riots, posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 15 09:49:09 2020. "Or are we just so liberal and understanding because it wasn't us?"This |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 15 10:34:06 2020, in response to Re: futurethread: Breonna Taylor riots, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 15 10:30:05 2020. If we need to reach back 250 years to try to justify the unjustifiable then maybe it's not justifiable after all. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Sep 15 10:34:19 2020, in response to Re: futurethread: Breonna Taylor riots, posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 15 09:49:09 2020. But it wasn't just one person, it's been happening again and again.No, I would not be understanding at all if someone attacked me as you describe. But the whole point here is that people should be secure against such attacks by anyone, whether by private citizens or by agents of the state. I do think property rights are important too, and are a type of human right. But they are not AS important being secure against being shot in your bed (or having your skull cracked while sitting in your car). Do the issues that have led to recent incidents of unrest compare to "the issues that brought about the Boston tea party"? For many, the answer is a very definite YES. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Sep 15 10:35:44 2020, in response to Re: futurethread: Breonna Taylor riots, posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 15 10:34:06 2020. shhh, that's what they call the chain of causation.First year Tort and CrimLaw. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 15 10:41:23 2020, in response to Re: futurethread: Breonna Taylor riots, posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 15 10:34:06 2020. I disagree. Philosophies can be durable.But my point is that the situations are not analogous. Indiscriminate looting/rioting was not part of the Revolution. The Revolution's violence was mostly on the battlefield. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Sep 15 10:41:53 2020, in response to Re: futurethread: Breonna Taylor riots, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 15 10:41:23 2020. See, he just goes right about the problem. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 15 10:55:06 2020, in response to Re: futurethread: Breonna Taylor riots, posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Sep 15 10:34:19 2020. When I'll ask you, have any of the riots brought about meaningful changes? NO!"Do the issues that have led to recent incidents of unrest compare to "the issues that brought about the Boston tea party"? For many, the answer is a very definite YES." And I would say, bullshit. Why was Breonna Taylor targeted? What were the grievances that led to the Boston tea party? One was about an oppressive government while the other was related to an unfortunate incident that Ms. Taylor might have partially precipitated by associating with criminal elements. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Sep 15 11:17:08 2020, in response to Re: futurethread: Breonna Taylor riots, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 15 10:19:22 2020. Why? The Boston Tea Party, the Shay's and Stonewall Rebellions were all riots that resulted in meaningful political change. If no other methods of recourse will answer, this is the last resort of the aggrieved. I'm not saying violence is the default answer to injustices, only that there sometimes occurs a point at which all other methods of addressing an issue have been exhausted. This was especially true of Stonewall. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Sep 15 11:21:00 2020, in response to Re: futurethread: Breonna Taylor riots, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 15 10:23:57 2020. But for the Stonewall Rebellion, much if the advances made in LGBTQ rights might never have happened, or at least been delayed for decades. AGAIN, I'm not advocating violence as a default option, only pointing out that sometimes it's a last resort.Stonewall happened because gay people were tired of being locked up under unjust laws. Today's riots are happening because people are being extrajudicially, with near-total impunity, by agents of the state. People have had enough of that, too. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 15 11:32:32 2020, in response to Re: futurethread: Breonna Taylor riots, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Sep 15 11:21:00 2020. The Stonewall Rebellion was direct resistance to police while they were attempting to shut down the Stonewall bar. It is not the same as burning down random businesses. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 15 11:37:26 2020, in response to Re: futurethread: Breonna Taylor riots, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Sep 15 11:17:08 2020. I don't agree that the BTP resulted in meaningful political change. It only "worked" because the response by the British was more oppressive than what came before. If you think that an oppressive response by the government will inure to your benefit, then I respectfully disagree. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Sep 15 11:38:31 2020, in response to Re: futurethread: Breonna Taylor riots, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 15 11:32:32 2020. The Stonewall Rebellion went on for four days. You are correct that almost no property destruction (beyond the damage to the Stonewall Inn itself) occurred. I agree that random businesses should not be targeted by protester. However, directly confronting authorities when they are acting unlawfully, and all other avenues of redress have been exhausted, is sometimes the last remaining way to achieve meaningful changes. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 15 11:44:36 2020, in response to Re: futurethread: Breonna Taylor riots, posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 15 10:55:06 2020. There are many who believe that the continued assault by the police on "black lives" is a function of an oppressive government.Breonna Taylor is an unfortunate victim of a serious mistake. Of course, you have to claim that she "might have partially precipitated" her death. Because always attack the victim, that's the right wing way. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 15 11:59:07 2020, in response to Re: futurethread: Breonna Taylor riots, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 15 11:44:36 2020. Did she associate with those involved with illegal drugs? |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Sep 15 12:02:08 2020, in response to futurethread: Breonna Taylor riots, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Sep 14 17:36:38 2020. Why WOULD they be indicted? They didn't do anything wrong. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Sep 15 12:02:08 2020, in response to futurethread: Breonna Taylor riots, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Sep 14 17:36:38 2020. Why WOULD they be indicted? They didn't do anything wrong. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 15 12:02:57 2020, in response to Re: futurethread: Breonna Taylor riots, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 15 11:44:36 2020. You could be right. Most of the criminals who died or were seriously injured by police met their fate in states and cities run by democrats by police forces ruled by democrats. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Sep 15 12:03:55 2020, in response to Re: futurethread: Breonna Taylor riots, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Sep 15 06:23:38 2020. But this wasn't the case. You know better.That's a consequence of the hustle game, warrants being executed at your location. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 15 12:04:40 2020, in response to Re: futurethread: Breonna Taylor riots, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Sep 15 12:03:55 2020. But but but the post office. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Sep 15 12:14:03 2020, in response to Re: futurethread: Breonna Taylor riots, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Sep 15 09:28:39 2020. Don't be a hustler if you don't want this to happen! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Sep 15 12:14:17 2020, in response to futurethread: Breonna Taylor riots, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Sep 14 17:36:38 2020. Oh please. Didn't matter how fast the cops in Minneapolis got indicted, did it #37? |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Sep 15 12:15:17 2020, in response to Re: futurethread: Breonna Taylor riots, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 15 10:23:57 2020. Breonna's rights weren't violated. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Sep 15 12:16:33 2020, in response to Re: futurethread: Breonna Taylor riots, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Sep 15 11:21:00 2020. Stonewall was the result of the mafia having a misunderstanding with the police. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Sep 15 12:18:36 2020, in response to Re: futurethread: Breonna Taylor riots, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Sep 15 11:38:31 2020. The police weren't acting unlawfully though. At the time, a gay bar couldn't get a liquor license. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Sep 15 12:20:46 2020, in response to Re: futurethread: Breonna Taylor riots, posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Sep 15 10:34:19 2020. Helloooo!! Nothing wrong was done here, in this case! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 15 12:23:00 2020, in response to Re: futurethread: Breonna Taylor riots, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Sep 15 12:03:55 2020. You're ignoring the legitimate argument that the warrant was flawed and such warrants are issued too readily. I don't necessarily agree, though. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Sep 15 12:23:07 2020, in response to Re: futurethread: Breonna Taylor riots, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Sep 15 12:02:08 2020. He's afeared of the left. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 15 12:24:21 2020, in response to Re: futurethread: Breonna Taylor riots, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Sep 15 12:15:17 2020. She lost her life, to which she was entitled by right. |
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