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Re: Auckland thrown into chaos by new lockdown over four cases (How New Zealand Got Rid of COVID-19?) |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Aug 12 09:23:31 2020, in response to Auckland thrown into chaos by new lockdown over four cases (How New Zealand Got Rid of COVID-19?), posted by Olog-hai on Wed Aug 12 01:55:21 2020. The Daily Mail is being senstionalist.From the article: 'Four cases only… No need to warrant a lockdown,' one frustrated resident wrote online. 'Four cases enough to shut down 1.6 million people… welcome to the world of tyrants.' Here's why it does warrant a lockdown in part. Here are five quick answers to questions about these new cases. Who are the new cases? All four cases are members of one family from South Auckland. The first case was a person aged in their 50s who had no history of overseas travel. That person was tested twice on Monday after visiting their GP, with both results coming back positive. This person was then interviewed by health officials and all six of their family members were tested. Three were negative, but three were positive, including one woman in her 20s. Close contacts have been tested and all remain in isolation for 14 days, regardless of their test results. How far could the virus have spread? New Zealand's Director-General of Health Ashley Bloomfield has revealed the woman in her 20s travelled to Rotorua while symptomatic. She is one of four family members who travelled to Rotorua together. "We are working with urgency to find out what places the family may have visited while in Rotorua over the weekend," Dr Bloomfield said. "But the important thing here [is] people in Rotorua and around the country should be vigilant about their health, and seek advice if they have symptoms." Anyone who was in Rotorua — a popular tourist destination — over the weekend has been urged to get tested. Back in Auckland, three colleagues of one of the cases are symptomatic and are being tested. Those people and their families are now in isolation, and the workplace, which spans four sites across Auckland, has been shut down, with around 160 staff tested. How did this family get coronavirus? We still don't know. Health officials are working to trace the origin of the infection, and contact tracing is underway, but investigations will include looking at whether the virus was imported by freight. Dr Bloomfield said surface testing was underway in an Auckland cool store where a man from the infected family worked. "We are working hard to put together the pieces of the puzzle about how this family became infected … and to contact trace anyone who may have been in contact with them," Dr Bloomfield said. "We are testing all close and casual contacts of the people who have tested positive for COVID-19." Why did Auckland go into lockdown? According to Ms Ardern, it's all part of the NZ Government's coronavirus action plan. "We have had 102 days [without a new case] and it was easy to feel New Zealand was out of the woods," Ms Ardern said. "No country has gone as far as we did without having a resurgence and because we were the only ones, we had to plan. And we have planned." Gatherings of more than 10 people are now banned in Auckland, and people have been told to stay home from work and school. Ms Ardern urged all New Zealanders not to visit friends or family and to maintain physical distancing at all times. She said all aged care facilities would be closing their doors to everyone but staff and essential deliveries. |
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Re: Auckland thrown into chaos by new lockdown over four cases (How New Zealand Got Rid of COVID-19?) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Aug 12 22:53:10 2020, in response to Auckland thrown into chaos by new lockdown over four cases (How New Zealand Got Rid of COVID-19?), posted by Olog-hai on Wed Aug 12 01:55:21 2020. Got no replies to this one either. |
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Quarantine camps set up (How New Zealand Got Rid of COVID-19?) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Aug 13 06:19:23 2020, in response to How New Zealand Got Rid of Covid-19, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Aug 9 10:14:40 2020.
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Re: Quarantine camps set up (How New Zealand Got Rid of COVID-19?) |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Aug 13 07:47:14 2020, in response to Quarantine camps set up (How New Zealand Got Rid of COVID-19?), posted by Olog-hai on Thu Aug 13 06:19:23 2020. One wonders whether "reddpill" is a native Kiwi or foreigner whose agenda is denigrating New Zealand's success in containing Covid.Isolating all Covid cases is critical to becoming free of Covid, in the absence of an effective treatment or vaccine. The absence of Covid cases does not mean that the population is immune. It just means they have not been exposed. The task is to keep them from being exposed. There have been cases where people confirmed and suspected cases have violated the self-quarantine mandate. These transgressions have resulted in scores of new infections. Therefore, quarantine in designated quarantine facilities is required. NYC used to use Hart and Blackwell's Islands as quarantine facilities before antibiotics. New Zealand appears to have its share of "don't ask - don't tell" people who refuse to take the diagnostic test. The Prime Minister's response has been to double the quarantine period for those who refuse to take a diagnostic test. This disease is highly contagious. Each case must be isolated to keep it under control. Most people understand this. Here's some news from yesterday. New Outbreak In New Zealand Leads To New Rules And Supermarket Runs August 12, 20202:10 PM ET After more than 100 days without any community spread of COVID-19, New Zealand moved to an elevated alert level Wednesday with news of four new cases and another four probable ones. The country had returned to normal life, but the mystery of the new outbreak's source has led to increased restrictions and concern in the island nation. The first four cases are members of the same family in the city of Auckland. The new probable cases — based on symptoms but still awaiting test results — are linked to the cases in the Auckland family. "Two are work colleagues and two are another related household that one of the cases had stayed at in the preceding week," Dr. Ashley Bloomfield, New Zealand's director-general of health, said of the probable cases in a media conference Wednesday. At noon Wednesday, New Zealand began a three-day period at alert level two, with Auckland at the higher level three. The country had been at level one since June 9 when life had largely returned to normal. Under the tighter level three restrictions, most businesses and schools in Auckland are closed, and bars and restaurants may only offer takeout. Elsewhere in the country, level two measures mean people can still go to work and school but are urged to take safety precautions, including social distancing and the wearing of masks. Despite requests not to engage in panic buying and assurances that grocery stores would remain open for contactless pickup and delivery during the three-day period, Aucklanders formed long lines at supermarkets before the measures went into effect. Testing centers for the coronavirus throughout the city also saw long lines. Bloomfield said 6,000 to 7,000 people were being tested in Auckland as well as in the cities of Christchurch, Wellington and Rotorua. Special testing sites are available to those identified as close or casual contacts of the Auckland cluster. The new probable cases announced Wednesday include three adults and one teenager. "They're probables because there's a clear epidemiological link [to the other four cases] and they're symptomatic," Bloomfield said. All four are in isolation, and contact tracing is underway as they await test results. Bloomfield said four members of the family in the Auckland COVID-19 cluster had traveled in recent days to Rotorua, a city known for its geothermal features and Maori culture, where they visited tourist attractions and eateries. Two members of the family subsequently tested positive for the virus, raising the possibility they could have spread it to Rotorua. The government is conducting genome testing to identify the strain of the virus in the new cluster. More than 200 contacts of the new cases had been identified, mostly at two workplaces where the individuals who tested positive are employed. One is Americold, a cool storage facility in Auckland. That facility has been swabbed for the virus to investigate the possibility that the virus could have arrived in New Zealand via refrigerated freight. Bloomfield ordered employees and contractors at Americold and a finance company called Finance Now, as well as their family members, to isolate at home and not go to work until they are contacted by contact tracers and given further direction. Because Auckland is under level three alert, people at those workplaces would be staying home anyway. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern announced two additional regulations on Wednesday. First, it's now mandatory for any business or service to display prominently a QR code for the country's NZ Covid Tracer smartphone app at all entry points. That will enable Kiwis to use the app to scan the QR code and log the businesses they visit, making it easy for contact tracers to notify people of any possible exposures. "The ability to contact trace is one of the key tools we have to find new cases and get them in isolation to avoid future lockdowns," Ardern said. "Using the app is a big investment in keeping our businesses and economy open." The prime minister said that more than 100,000 people had downloaded the app the previous night. Second, people flying out of Auckland must now wear face coverings. The only people traveling by plane from Auckland, she noted, are those who don't live there and need to return home. During this time, Auckland residents are asked but not required to wear face masks. The government has released 5 million additional masks from the national stockpile. Ardern said the government is working with social service agencies to distribute 3 million masks to those who might struggle to afford or have access to them. The new outbreak raises the possibility of postponing New Zealand's upcoming election, scheduled for Sept. 19. Parliament was to be dissolved on Wednesday, but Ardern delayed that until at least Monday in case the body needs to meet in short order. Under New Zealand law, the election could be postponed about two months, The Associated Press reported. New Zealand now has 26 active cases. None of the patients require hospital-level care. Excepting the four cases and the four suspected in the Auckland cluster, the rest of the nation's cases are in people arriving in the country; they were all put immediately into managed isolation facilities or quarantine. Every person arriving in New Zealand is required to be isolated from others in the country for a minimum of 14 days. To illustrate the importance of taking the risk of spread seriously, Ardern pointed on Wednesday to neighboring Australia, which had more than 300 new cases the previous day and more than 650 people hospitalized. "Our response to the virus so far has worked. It opened our economy and our communities and gave New Zealanders freedoms that we cherished and we all want to get back there as soon as we can," Ardern said. "We know how to beat this, but we also know we don't need to look far to see what it can mean if we don't get on top of it." |
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Re: Quarantine camps set up (How New Zealand Got Rid of COVID-19?) |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Aug 13 14:39:28 2020, in response to Quarantine camps set up (How New Zealand Got Rid of COVID-19?), posted by Olog-hai on Thu Aug 13 06:19:23 2020. Here's some more current information regarding New Zealand's current outbreak. The number of cases is up to 17 for the new cluster.The number of new cases is sufficiently low, that they can isolate and trace to contain it. It does not appear to be somebody who cheated a quarantine. Authorities have used genome sequencing to investigate the source of the outbreak, but have found no link between the community cases and imported cases in New Zealand's managed isolation quarantine facilities, Bloomfield said. "What we do know is that the genome sequence of the new cases broadly most closely resemble the patterns from the United Kingdom and Australia," he said. |
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Re: How New Zealand delays Fall elections |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Aug 16 21:26:16 2020, in response to How New Zealand Got Rid of Covid-19, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Aug 9 10:14:40 2020. NZ Herald |
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Re: How New Zealand delays Fall elections |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 16 22:32:42 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand delays Fall elections, posted by Easy on Sun Aug 16 21:26:16 2020. Thanks. |
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Re: How New Zealand delays spring elections |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 16 22:36:35 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand delays Fall elections, posted by Easy on Sun Aug 16 21:26:16 2020. Thanks.JFTR, though, that would be spring elections; seasons are inverted south of the equator. |
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Re: How New Zealand delays Fall elections |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Aug 17 09:10:09 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand delays Fall elections, posted by Easy on Sun Aug 16 21:26:16 2020. Setting election days is an option of the ruling party in a parliamentary system. It isn't in the US, where dates are set by the Constitution. It was these dates' inflexibility that was the basis for the Supreme Court stopping Florida's recount in Bush v. Gore in 2000.The election was moved from Sept 19th to Oct 17th. The expectation is that New Zealand will again be Covid free for several weeks before the election date. This will permit normal electioneering and voting. The initial data suggests that this will be the case. https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-novel-coronavirus-news-and-media-updates is the link for New Zealand's daily press briefings. There have been 58 confirmed cases including the initial 4 cases, associated with this cluster. It has not spread beyond the Aukland area, according to rigorous contact tracing. We should know in a week, whether New Zealand's shutdown, based on 4 new cases, nipped Covid before it could spread. They will still need 2 weeks with no new cases to confirm that they did. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 17 10:56:53 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand delays Fall elections, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Aug 17 09:10:09 2020. 1. FALSE! The date of the election is set by statute. Congress could change the date if it so desired. The only problem is that the Constitution does set the dates when the new Congress and the president are sworn in, regardless of whether an election were held, and in the absence of an election, the seats would be vacant. So if the election are postponed or cancelled, Chuck Grassley* would become the president on January 20, 2021.*Senator Grassley is the President Pro Tempore of the US Senate, and the only person in the line of succession whose term doesn’t end on 1/20/21 or earlier. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Aug 17 11:24:33 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand delays Fall elections, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 17 10:56:53 2020. Cabinet members don't continue in office if they don't resign or get dismissed? (Sure, I could look this up, but I'm not going to.) |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Aug 17 11:29:06 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand delays Fall elections, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 17 10:56:53 2020. The only problem is that the Constitution does set the dates when the new Congress and the president are sworn in, regardless of whether an election were held, and in the absence of an election, the seats would be vacant.Yes, that's the problem. So if the election are postponed or cancelled, Chuck Grassley* would become the president on January 20, 2021. Not necessarily. If elections were postponed, then the seats for those senators up for re-election would be vacant. That's 35 seats, of which 23 are Republican and 12 are Democratic. The current 53/45 Republican majority would consist of 30 Republicans and 33 Democrats. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Mon Aug 17 11:41:57 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand delays Fall elections, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 17 10:56:53 2020. Are you sure about Senator Grassley? When the Senate reconvenes in January, if elections are not resolved, there are more Democrats than Republicans not running for re-election this year so I believe Senator Leahy will become President Pro Tempore. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 17 11:52:37 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand delays Fall elections, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Aug 17 11:29:06 2020. I did the math and if we assumed that governors filled all the resulting vacancies, Democrats would have a 49-48 advantage, with three unfillable vacancies. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 17 11:53:42 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand delays Fall elections, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 17 11:52:37 2020. Maybe later I’ll figure out the impact of the 11 gubernatorial elections that are taking place this year. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 17 11:56:20 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand delays Fall elections, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Aug 17 11:41:57 2020. That was a quick and dirty assumption, I’ve since realized that it wouldn’t work that way.Also, the President Pro Tempore is only the most senior member by convention. If the Senate knew that whomever they chose would become Acting President, they could pick someone else. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Aug 17 12:06:20 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand delays Fall elections, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 17 11:53:42 2020. Maybe later I’ll figure out the impact of the 11 gubernatorial elections that are taking place this year.It's probably not worth the effort for such a hypothetical situation. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Aug 17 12:13:04 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand delays Fall elections, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 17 10:56:53 2020. Congress could change the date if it so desired.Of course, the chances of the current Congress doing that are approximately 0.00000%. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 17 12:16:58 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand delays Fall elections, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Aug 17 12:06:20 2020. Sure it is!There are 4 states which have both a gubernatorial election and a Senate election in 2020: NH, NC, DE, and MT. In DE and NH, the term of the governor runs later than 1/3/21, allowing the outgoing governor to appoint the Senator to fill the vacancy. The former is a Democrat and the latter is a Republican. In MT and NC, the term of the governor ends upon the qualification of his successor, allowing the incumbent governor to remain in office indefinitely. Both are Democrats. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Aug 17 12:29:44 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand delays Fall elections, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 17 12:16:58 2020. Have you factored in a Senate filibuster? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 17 12:30:44 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand delays Fall elections, posted by AlM on Mon Aug 17 11:24:33 2020. It's my understanding that they do, but the Congressional officers are ahead of them in the line of succession. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Aug 17 12:33:35 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand delays Fall elections, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Aug 17 12:29:44 2020. The majority party can always kill off the filibuster for any issue if it so wishes. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Aug 17 12:34:45 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand delays Fall elections, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 17 12:30:44 2020. OK, it's just that you said Grassley is the "only" person in the line of succession ... |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 17 12:41:58 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand delays Fall elections, posted by AlM on Mon Aug 17 12:34:45 2020. I was wrong! |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Aug 17 13:49:51 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand delays Fall elections, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Aug 17 09:10:09 2020. It isn't in the US, where dates are set by the Constitution.You could have answered more succinctly had you used JayZee speak..."because 'Murica." I posted this because I understood your original post to infer that we should be more like New Zealand. Maybe we should, but whether locking down the entire country or postponing elections, we are very different from NZ. Postponing an election might be easier than locking down the entire country given that we have a process in place for that potential, yet no one wants that. Me either btw, but I'm consistent in that I acknowledge that a nationwide lockdown is just as, if not more, problematic. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Aug 17 14:08:03 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand delays Fall elections, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Aug 17 09:10:09 2020. It isn't in the US, where dates are set by the ConstitutionHow did you let yourself get pwnt on such an error, eh? |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Aug 17 14:17:37 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand delays Fall elections, posted by Easy on Mon Aug 17 13:49:51 2020. Locking down the nation (which I don't recommend) doesn't require a Constitutional Amendment. Postponing the election more than a few weeks does. Postponing it even a day requires an Act of Congress. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Aug 17 14:31:53 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand delays Fall elections, posted by AlM on Mon Aug 17 14:17:37 2020. We could lockdown the country if all 50 governors simultaneously agreed. Is that what you mean? |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Aug 17 14:34:09 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand delays Fall elections, posted by Easy on Mon Aug 17 14:31:53 2020. A lot could be done on a federal level if the emergency required it. Consider World War II. I don't think every governor individually issued rules. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Aug 17 14:38:58 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand delays Fall elections, posted by AlM on Mon Aug 17 14:34:09 2020. I'm not disagreeing, but I don't have the expertise to say what can and cannot be done at the federal level. Nor am I particularly familiar with WWII. What are you saying could have been done to implement a nationwide lockdown? |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Aug 17 14:51:17 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand delays Fall elections, posted by Easy on Mon Aug 17 14:38:58 2020. What are you saying could have been done to implement a nationwide lockdown?I think it could have been done with an Act of Congress. Trying to do it with presidential Executive Orders would probably have been very unwise. It definitely would not have required a Constitutional Amendment. And I don't think there should have been a national lockdown. I do think procurement of supplies should have been done nationally, and quickly. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Aug 17 15:04:53 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand delays Fall elections, posted by AlM on Mon Aug 17 14:51:17 2020. I'm not very knowledgeable in this area, but from what I've read congressional authority to do anything like a national lockdown in the same manner as NZ in response to a pandemic is unknown and there could certainly be constitutional implications.Here's the American Bar's take. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Aug 17 15:28:09 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand delays Fall elections, posted by Easy on Mon Aug 17 13:49:51 2020. I posted this because I understood your original post to infer that we should be more like New Zealand.Thank you for getting me off the tangent. Maybe we should, but whether locking down the entire country or postponing elections, we are very different from NZ. I'm not a New Zealand expert. I believe there's more in common among different nationalities than there are differences. I believe the US has a leadership deficiency. FDR convinced Americans to sacrifice far more for much longer than an 8 week long lockdown. Too many charlatans sought personal gain by denying the need for sacrifice. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Aug 17 20:39:50 2020, in response to How New Zealand Got Rid of Covid-19, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Aug 9 10:14:40 2020. Whenever I hear the SHIT about New Zealand the left pushes, I have to laugh.New Zealand population: 4.886 million. 103,483 mi² US population: 328.2 million. 3.797 million mi² |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Aug 17 20:42:53 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand Got Rid of Covid-19, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Aug 17 20:39:50 2020. Maybe. But it’s comparable to many states and even US states with far fewer people have fared worse. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Aug 17 20:56:59 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand Got Rid of Covid-19, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Aug 17 20:39:50 2020. Seems almost like poetic justice when Ardern and the media boast(ed) about eradicating the virus, and the "100 day" record . . . and then boom, they have cases again and Ardern imposes a lockdown that created chaos in Auckland.And of course, Ardern's postponement of elections; if Trump even suggests that, it's "Trump's a dictator!" out of the left, but silence when it comes to her since she's a darling of the left. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Aug 17 21:26:23 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand Got Rid of Covid-19, posted by Easy on Mon Aug 17 20:42:53 2020. But it has no borders. The only state in the U.S. that has no borders is Hawaii. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Aug 17 22:11:31 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand Got Rid of Covid-19, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Aug 17 21:26:23 2020. And yet covid is much worse in Hawaii which currently has 3,683 cases per million people and 28 deaths per million people versus NZ's 328 and 4. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Aug 17 22:17:45 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand Got Rid of Covid-19, posted by Easy on Mon Aug 17 22:11:31 2020. You trust what Ardern's NZ reports? |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Aug 17 22:18:49 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand Got Rid of Covid-19, posted by Easy on Mon Aug 17 22:11:31 2020. And Hawaii is a blue state for those like JoeV which likes to pull the "red state" crap. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Aug 17 22:19:50 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand Got Rid of COVID-19?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Aug 17 20:56:59 2020. Yeah exactly. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Aug 17 22:22:17 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand Got Rid of Covid-19, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Aug 17 22:18:49 2020. Hawaii has the third lowest infection rate of all states trailing only Maine and Vermont. It's just way behind NZ. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Aug 17 22:30:00 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand Got Rid of Covid-19, posted by Easy on Mon Aug 17 22:22:17 2020. And it's an island(s).... |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Aug 17 22:37:39 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand Got Rid of Covid-19, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Aug 17 22:18:49 2020. Not just blue, but deep blue. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Aug 17 22:37:39 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand Got Rid of Covid-19, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Aug 17 22:18:49 2020. Not just blue, but deep blue. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Aug 17 22:54:56 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand Got Rid of Covid-19, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Aug 17 20:39:50 2020. New Zealand population: 4.886 million. 103,483 mi²US population: 328.2 million. 3.797 million mi² You forgot two parameters: New Zealand: 1280 cases; 22 deaths. United States: 5,488,763 cases; 172,146 deaths. Let's compare the ratios for area; population; cases; deaths. Area US/NZ: 36.69 Population US/NZ: 67.17 Cases: US/NZ 4288.1 Deaths: US/NZ 7824.8 Taking into account the difference in area, the US performance has been 117 times worse for the number of Covid cases and 213 times wors for Covid deaths. Taking into account the difference in population, the US performance has been 64 times worse for Covid cases and 117 times worse for Covid deaths. Clearly, a factor or factors other than size is responsible for New Zealand's superior performance vis-a-vis the US. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Aug 17 22:58:04 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand Got Rid of Covid-19, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Aug 17 22:54:56 2020. Yup. The size difference the fact it's also island. The fact that it also doesn't have the shear travel us has (had) |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Aug 17 23:06:10 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand Got Rid of Covid-19, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Aug 17 22:54:56 2020. NZ is doing well. It's no China though. China's rates are lower than NZ's and they had to deal with being the first country that had to deal with it. They responded very strongly. I don't personally believe their numbers, but I know that they have strong support here. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Aug 17 23:06:56 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand Got Rid of Covid-19, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Aug 17 22:58:04 2020. The fact that it also doesn't have the shear travel us has (had)Covid initially came to the US by air and sea, not by its land borders. The land borders have been closed for some time. Actually, the Canadians closed their border to protect themselves from us. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Aug 17 23:13:43 2020, in response to Re: How New Zealand Got Rid of Covid-19, posted by Easy on Mon Aug 17 23:06:10 2020. New Zealand may be a better example for comparing responses because it and the US acted on the same information in the same time frame. |
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