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Not good polling news for Democrats |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Mon Aug 3 20:30:11 2020 LINK |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Aug 3 20:43:22 2020, in response to Not good polling news for Democrats, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Aug 3 20:30:11 2020. Um, that's Montana.PA Biden +6.6. WI Biden +6.7 If Biden can win both PA and WI, he can win 270+ electoral votes. I'm not saying that those margins can't disappear, or not all be there in the first place. But right at this moment, things look pretty good for him. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Mon Aug 3 20:49:53 2020, in response to Re: Not good polling news for Democrats, posted by AlM on Mon Aug 3 20:43:22 2020. If the Democrats want to retake the Senate, Montana’s seat is important. Otherwise Republicans will vote down every nominee for at least two years if they even give a vote. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Aug 3 21:03:12 2020, in response to Re: Not good polling news for Democrats, posted by AlM on Mon Aug 3 20:43:22 2020. After the debate, that disappears. |
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Posted by Dave on Mon Aug 3 21:11:29 2020, in response to Not good polling news for Democrats, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Aug 3 20:30:11 2020. Movin' to Montana soon,Gonna be a dental floss tycoon. Just me and the pygmy pony! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 3 21:44:39 2020, in response to Re: Not good polling news for Democrats, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Aug 3 20:49:53 2020. It’s not ideal, but removing Trump is the most important.#AmericaOrTrump |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Aug 3 21:52:39 2020, in response to Re: Not good polling news for Democrats, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 3 21:44:39 2020. Using Biden to do it will be unsuccessful. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 3 21:55:59 2020, in response to Re: Not good polling news for Democrats, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Aug 3 21:52:39 2020. False! Biden has the advantage of not alienating anyone, and rational people who aren’t up Trump’s ass realize that Trump is even more of a dotard. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Aug 3 22:28:07 2020, in response to Re: Not good polling news for Democrats, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 3 21:55:59 2020. Trump's an obnoxious jerk, but not senile. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 3 22:57:15 2020, in response to Re: Not good polling news for Democrats, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Aug 3 22:28:07 2020. So he just suffers from lifelong stupidity then?Evidence shows that Trump used to make much more cogent arguments on TV in prior years. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Aug 3 23:07:37 2020, in response to Re: Not good polling news for Democrats, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 3 22:57:15 2020. He was also never attacked as much as he is now |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 3 23:34:42 2020, in response to Re: Not good polling news for Democrats, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Aug 3 23:07:37 2020. What does that have to do with anything? |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Aug 3 23:36:56 2020, in response to Re: Not good polling news for Democrats, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 3 23:34:42 2020. He's in defense mode |
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Posted by Jimmymc25 on Mon Aug 3 23:44:16 2020, in response to Re: Not good polling news for Democrats, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Aug 3 23:36:56 2020. He’s a professional victim |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Aug 4 03:22:43 2020, in response to Re: Not good polling news for Democrats, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 3 21:44:39 2020. At the moment it's looking like Biden will roll over for the far left like a good doggie, #AmericaOrBiden is a bit more accurate. He has a Progressive Unity Platform [usnews] and was endorsed by Communist Angela Davis on RT as able to be 'pressured'.Keeping things the way they are (aka Conservatism) and/or pushing them a bit towards the right is preferable to the absolute psychosis the current left is spewing. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Aug 4 07:10:23 2020, in response to Re: Not good polling news for Democrats, posted by AlM on Mon Aug 3 20:43:22 2020. Senate race for Montana is closer, the Democrat candidate being a the former governor. Montanans often split tickets for various statewide offices. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Aug 4 07:19:51 2020, in response to Re: Not good polling news for Democrats, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Aug 4 03:22:43 2020. Trump is admired by David Duke and the KKK. What's your point ?Conservatism now means Fascism. There is nothing conservative about bigotry, tariff wars, and trillion dollar deficits before the pandemic. The dam broke when Trump pulled his Communist-like stunt at Lafayette Square, then using the DHS like his personal militia without state or city approval or cooperation in Portland, which accomplished nothing but further inflamed the situation. The biggest economic crisis since 1930. The worst pandemic since 1918. The worst race relations since 1968. Trumnp has fucked that all up and threw oil at the fire. His shrinking Cult holds him responsible for nothing. That's why he's down 10 point in the polls, and the polls are far more locked in now than they were at this point in 2016. The debates won't make a difference. Every clause that comes out of Trump's mouth can assumed to be a lie. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Aug 4 07:55:41 2020, in response to Re: Not good polling news for Democrats, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Aug 3 23:36:56 2020. An intellectually adept politician can still make coherent arguments when in defense mode. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Aug 4 08:15:08 2020, in response to Re: Not good polling news for Democrats, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Aug 3 20:49:53 2020. Montana is the most Republican state where Democrats have a chance at a Senate seat. They need 4, and ME, CO, NC, and AZ are much less Republican. They can probably also make it worth Murkowski's while to cross the aisle.PS. You are accusing Republicans of gross abuse of the Constitution. How could you possibly ever support a party that you believe to be so corrupt? |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Tue Aug 4 08:19:51 2020, in response to Re: Not good polling news for Democrats, posted by AlM on Tue Aug 4 08:15:08 2020. Murkowski will caucus with Republicans and if Trump wins then Pence breaks 50-50 tie. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Aug 4 08:22:19 2020, in response to Re: Not good polling news for Democrats, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Aug 4 08:19:51 2020. Murkowski will caucus with RepublicansUnder a wide range of circumstances, yes. Has she personally assured you that she will do so under all circumstances? And it doesn't change that Democrats have far easier opportunities for a flip than MT. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Aug 4 09:07:57 2020, in response to Re: Not good polling news for Democrats, posted by AlM on Tue Aug 4 08:15:08 2020. Democrats will lose AL. With a Biden victory, they need a net gain of 3.Graham of SC has to spend money to defend his seat,. He is only 2 or 3 points ahead. McSally of AZ polls so badly, she could flip the entire state Blue. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 4 09:38:02 2020, in response to Re: Not good polling news for Democrats, posted by Joe V on Tue Aug 4 07:19:51 2020. LOL!!!! First off, they were burnign the church down in Lafayette Park.Second, the "bad race relations" were started under Obama, who iunstead of helping, set the relations on a downward spiral, as much of the democrats do. Third, yes it's a bad pandemic, but that is not trump's fault. The entire world is experiencing it. Forth, the "economic crisis" is caused by the Pandemic, not trump. The pandemic is neither the democrats or the republicans fault. In fact, it was the best economy before it struck. If anything, the Democrats are preventing it from coming back. But truly, it is the pandemic. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Aug 4 09:51:25 2020, in response to Re: Not good polling news for Democrats, posted by AlM on Mon Aug 3 20:43:22 2020. Yeah, Montana sucks.If Alberta and company break off and form their own company, we should give them Montana. They don't count! Agreed! |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Aug 4 09:59:07 2020, in response to Re: Not good polling news for Democrats, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Aug 4 09:51:25 2020. Montana sucksWhy do you say that? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 4 10:05:49 2020, in response to Re: Not good polling news for Democrats, posted by AlM on Tue Aug 4 07:55:41 2020. Not even a politician. Pretty much everyone who isn’t both a thin-skinned, whiny, little bitch, and a dotard suffering from lifelong stupidity. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 4 10:08:30 2020, in response to Re: Not good polling news for Democrats, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Aug 4 03:22:43 2020. Conservatism would be fine if its figurehead weren’t Trump. Trump must be stopped at any cost.The fact that Angela Davis is endorsing Biden is as irrelevant as David Duke endorsing Trump. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Aug 4 10:11:44 2020, in response to Re: Not good polling news for Democrats, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 4 10:08:30 2020. Henry is a die-hard conservative, so he keeps needing excuses for ignoring Trump's wannabe fascist leanings. We have to thank God (or alternate sources of good fortune) that he isn't very competent at his attempted fascism. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Aug 4 10:18:15 2020, in response to Re: Not good polling news for Democrats, posted by AlM on Tue Aug 4 09:59:07 2020. Based on your assessment. I am agreeing and am in lockstep with The Party. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Aug 4 10:20:57 2020, in response to Re: Not good polling news for Democrats, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 4 09:38:02 2020. The fire was Sunday night May 31. It was done for a photo op on the evening of June 1, with a bible to suck up to the Fundamentalists.Race riots started with George Floyd, after a series of similar events over several years. The Republicans detested a black man as President. Trump ran with Birtherism and on bigoty. We have 4% of the world's population, 25% of the deaths, 33% of the infections. No national strategy. Nothing but denial, happy-talk, attacking the NIH, the CDC, medial community in general, Fauci, and now Birx as "pathetic". It is now a Trump Pandemic. Pro-longed pandemic means pro-longed economic depression. It's a Trump Depression. Canada is doing fine, and without American tourists. 20 Senate Republicans will vote no on any future Cares legislation. There will be zero funding for state and local government. Republicans are the ones who will Defund the Police. Trump the great deal maker is totally absent. Mnuchin is the deal maker. Meadows has done nothing but blow up deals since there has been a Freedom Caucus. Your making Bogeyman out of Obama and Biden doesn't work, only with the imbeciles on FOX. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Aug 4 10:25:10 2020, in response to Re: Not good polling news for Democrats, posted by AlM on Tue Aug 4 10:11:44 2020. There is nothing wrong with conservatism. That's why there is the Lincoln Group and other Biden Republicans.But the Trumpicans are too stupid to know they have crossed the line into fascism. They are also fine with Trump now fucking up postal service operations to inhibit mail voting. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Aug 4 11:36:37 2020, in response to Re: Not good polling news for Democrats, posted by Joe V on Tue Aug 4 10:25:10 2020. Thoughts from the 69 senior office boy. Did you get the girls their coffee today, office boy? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 4 11:40:35 2020, in response to Re: Not good polling news for Democrats, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 4 09:38:02 2020. LOL!!!! First off, they were burnign the church down in Lafayette Park.Citation very much needed for this pernicious lie. Trump evacuated that park just for his "Gott mit uns" Bible photo op. Second, the "bad race relations" were started under Obama, who iunstead of helping, set the relations on a downward spiral, as much of the democrats do. They "started" under Obama because too many people just couldn't stand a black president. Trump is their avatar. Third, yes it's a bad pandemic, but that is not trump's fault. The entire world is experiencing it. Other countries experienced it before we did and have conquered it. Our response to it was woefully inadequate thanks to Trump and we are still suffering from it. That's entirely on Trump. Forth, the "economic crisis" is caused by the Pandemic, not trump. The pandemic is neither the democrats or the republicans fault. In fact, it was the best economy before it struck. If anything, the Democrats are preventing it from coming back. But truly, it is the pandemic. The economic crisis is caused by the pandemic, and by Trump's response to it. How the fuck are the Democrats "preventing it from coming back?" |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Aug 4 11:53:15 2020, in response to Re: Not good polling news for Democrats, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 4 11:40:35 2020. How the fuck are the Democrats "preventing it from coming back?"Because the Democrats effectively run both houses of Congress, the Presidency, and most governorships. They do this by their ultra-scary propaganda that makes the Senate, President, and Republican governors do their wishes because they all fear terrible things will happen to them otherwise. For example, Governor DeSantis of FL shut the bars back down, thus destroying the FL economy, only because of fear of the Democrats. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Aug 4 12:24:41 2020, in response to Re: Not good polling news for Democrats, posted by AlM on Tue Aug 4 11:53:15 2020. I watched the Trump interview with Axios. The man is so incoherent and stupid, it is embarrassing to watch.When told we have among the worst death rates per 100,000 people, for that looking at that metric, Trump said "you can't do that". Uhm, yes we can. I suppose for a mentally retarded individual, it is overload. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Aug 4 12:27:44 2020, in response to Re: Not good polling news for Democrats, posted by Joe V on Tue Aug 4 12:24:41 2020. Don't forget, if we only reduced our testing the number of cases would go down. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Aug 4 12:31:21 2020, in response to Re: Not good polling news for Democrats, posted by AlM on Tue Aug 4 12:27:44 2020. Yes. I guess all those ICU beds filled up down south must be bee stings, snake bites, and hay fever. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Aug 4 12:59:47 2020, in response to Re: Not good polling news for Democrats, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 4 10:08:30 2020. It's not the endorsement itself it's her reasoning why - that he can be pressured, not that he himself holds those views. The far left know they're getting someone malleable.Funny aside: Trump wasn't David Duke's first choice, he originally endorsed Tulsi Gabbard... And there's nothing Trump has done that's remotely as terrible as the left's current platform of defund/abolish the police combined with the most unconstitutional gun platform in history (see page 43): -end online sales of guns and ammunition -prevent individuals who have been convicted of hate crimes from possessing firearms (note: pouring paint on "Black Lives Matter" counts as a hate crime) -ban the manufacture and sale of assault weapons (whatever those are) and high capacity magazines -licensing requirements for owning firearms and “red flag” laws (a litany of issues with red flag laws) -pass legislation requiring that guns be safely stored in homes (aka in a state completely useless for repelling a home invasion) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 4 13:07:58 2020, in response to Re: Not good polling news for Democrats, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Aug 4 12:59:47 2020. 1. Why do you believe Angela Davis about this assertion but not about everything else?I see less of a problem with this (largely nonspecific) gun policy than the totality of Trump’s presidency. So I’m willing to see this be implemented if it means the removal of the orange menace. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Aug 4 13:08:35 2020, in response to Re: Not good polling news for Democrats, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Aug 4 12:59:47 2020. Few on the left want to abolish or remove funding from the police. Biden and Sanders said at the get-go they are totally opposed.Online gun sales should go through the exact same restrictions as in-store, and want gun show loopholes closed. What is constitutional for one is also for the other. And most of the public is in favor, as they are for banning military assault weapons for sale to the general public. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Aug 4 13:09:31 2020, in response to Re: Not good polling news for Democrats, posted by AlM on Tue Aug 4 10:11:44 2020. Fascist leanings?? You're delusional.As for conservative, my views listed here have not changed, except I am a bit more open to the wall. I just hate the establishment Democrats and their constant capitulation to their progressive flank. I look at Republicans and they do nothing. Doing nothing is fine. A libertarian commentator I listen to put it best: Give Democrats a mandate of 1 foot, they'll take the foot and push for a mile. Give Republicans a mandate of 1 foot, they get terrified and backpedal after they've gained 2 inches (see: 2016-2018). |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Aug 4 13:14:55 2020, in response to Re: Not good polling news for Democrats, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 4 13:07:58 2020. You're willing to permanently lose 2nd Amendment rights over someone who's only in office for 4 more years, and has largely done nothing outside a typical Republican platform (save for his attempts at bringing troops home which I fully support)?You also do realize that the rubber band snap that will occur after 4 years of progressive nonsense will yield someone like Tom "send in the troops" Cotton winning 2024, right? And unlike Trump he'll get away with a lot more, because whatever hard-right candidate wins will play ball entirely with the so-called "deep state" and establishment interests who largely don't care what the domestic policy is. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Aug 4 13:21:57 2020, in response to Re: Not good polling news for Democrats, posted by Joe V on Tue Aug 4 07:19:51 2020. It'll be fun asking you "what happened?" on November 4th. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Aug 4 13:23:15 2020, in response to Re: Not good polling news for Democrats, posted by Joe V on Tue Aug 4 13:08:35 2020. Assault Rifles (full-automatic) are already heavily restricted. They must have been mfg'd before 1986.As for the other restrictions on the 2nd amendment re: "what is constitutional", it should be exactly as easy/difficult to get a gun as it is to vote. Both are constitutionally protected rights. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Aug 4 13:26:24 2020, in response to Re: Not good polling news for Democrats, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Aug 4 13:09:31 2020. Looking at the first few items on your punchlist:1- Trump opposes universal healthcare, trying to get the Supreme Court to kill ACA, with no replacement, which would affect not only 20 million people on it, but 100 million through pre-existing conditions, adult children to age 26, annual free physical, Part D donut hole comes back, and food labeling laws goes away. 3 - Trump levied a $18 Billion federal tax increase at NY by abolishing state and local deductions, while adding to the federal budget deficit by tax cuts to the already recipient states 5 - Trump is pro the useless, medieval wall. 6 - Trump is against DACA, and is defying the recent Supreme Court decision after 1 year 8 - Anti-war is not the same as antagonizing NATO and pulling thousands of troops out of Germany and Afganistan, both are favors to Putin. 9 -Trump is pro death penalty. So, why in why the world do you support him when you are on Biden's side for all of the above ? |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Aug 4 13:28:43 2020, in response to Re: Not good polling news for Democrats, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Aug 4 13:21:57 2020. We will not know by Nov 4. |
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Posted by Mtk52983 on Tue Aug 4 13:29:55 2020, in response to Re: Not good polling news for Democrats, posted by Joe V on Tue Aug 4 13:26:24 2020. Maybe 2, 4, and 7 are more important. |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Tue Aug 4 13:30:14 2020, in response to Re: Not good polling news for Democrats, posted by Joe V on Tue Aug 4 13:26:24 2020. IAWTP |
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Posted by Mtk52983 on Tue Aug 4 13:30:54 2020, in response to Re: Not good polling news for Democrats, posted by Joe V on Tue Aug 4 13:28:43 2020. Democrats need to know how many ballots are required to be manufactured. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Aug 4 13:32:49 2020, in response to Re: Not good polling news for Democrats, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Aug 4 13:14:55 2020. ???How is it that when Democrats get control 2nd amendment rights get "permanently" lost? And then in the next sentence you say that Tom Cotton will reverse everything else they pass. Surely you're not suggesting that Democrats can repeal a portion of the Second Amendment? Face it, you just want ultraconservative rule all the time. |
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