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Posted by Train Dude on Sat May 30 22:25:22 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by TUNNELRAT on Sat May 30 09:12:32 2020. Or at least have his teeth knocked out again |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sat May 30 22:27:43 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by Easy on Sat May 30 10:23:04 2020. IAWTP |
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Posted by Easy on Sun May 31 00:28:55 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 30 05:43:47 2020. I'm watching buildings burning, businesses looted, looters jacking each other, and remembered that you support all of this. Unbelievable. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sun May 31 00:36:24 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by Easy on Sun May 31 00:28:55 2020. That's right.Good post. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun May 31 05:59:50 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by Easy on Sun May 31 00:28:55 2020. That's right....he does. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun May 31 06:24:50 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by Easy on Sun May 31 00:28:55 2020. Maybe the police will think twice before summarily executing a handcuffed prisoner who is, in fact, begging for his life while dying horribly.People don't get this furious without a very good reason. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun May 31 06:27:33 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun May 31 06:24:50 2020. It's not about Floyd anymore for the ones burning and looting. Sorry, they destroyed his memory, not helped it. There's a difference between protest and utter rwmpage |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun May 31 06:29:30 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun May 31 06:27:33 2020. The rage is equal to the atrocity. Sorry, but you don't get to tell people who can be killed by the state at any moment for being Black or brown, how to express their cumulative anger. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun May 31 06:38:53 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun May 31 06:29:30 2020. Again, it no longer has anything to do with it. Sorry, there's a difference. And no, those aren't thinking about him. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Sun May 31 06:43:02 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun May 31 06:29:30 2020. What do synagogues being vandalized have to do with George Floyd? Police officers not even involved in that matter being attacked? Last I checked, NYC’s 88th Precinct didn’t stop George Floyd. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun May 31 06:44:12 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun May 31 06:38:53 2020. It is absolutely about Floyd. Stop telling people of color how to bleed after we have been collectively stabbed. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Sun May 31 06:51:37 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun May 31 06:44:12 2020. Nobody on this thread is saying that you can’t peacefully protest for reform nationwide. Violence and criminal activity, on the other hand, is rightfully stopped by police. People are indiscriminately looting and destroying businesses. A friend of a friend is an immigrant looking for a better life in the United States had his small business looted and destroyed by protesters. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun May 31 07:11:03 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by mtk52983 on Sun May 31 06:51:37 2020. Seen on Facebook, and it's absolutely true:Colin Kaepernick tried to peacefully warn is that something was deeply and systemically wrong, and he was vilified and ignored for it. Understand that I do prefer nonviolent direct action over rioting. (I myself helped organize and lead several marches against gay-bashing when I lived in Queens.) But there does come a time when ceful protesting stops working. Gay men went peacefully to horrible fates at the hands of the justice system, for breaking laws that were themselves unjust, for all of American history, until one night in 1969. I find it the height of absurdity to be expected to absorb the excruciatingly atrocious death of George Floyd peacefully. Again, people of color have been collectively knifed by the repeated incidences of the state taking their lives and blaming the victims, and Floyd's death is an especially egregious example of this. Nobody gets to tell us how to bleed. |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Sun May 31 08:30:25 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 30 05:43:47 2020. Your LGBT community does not have a right to cause destruction and mayhem, just like any other group.Since Atlanta has a large LGBT community, I am sure some of the LGBT owned property was looted or destroyed. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun May 31 08:36:53 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Sun May 31 08:30:25 2020. "My" LGBTQ community won our rights by rioting when peaceful tolerance of the abuse and violence directed against us clearly wasn't working.Much of Atlanta's LGBTQ community is Black and brown, and they were out there in solidarity with everyone else yesterday. I have first-hand accounts of that. So please kindly STFU. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun May 31 08:44:27 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by mtk52983 on Sun May 31 06:51:37 2020. Violence and criminal activity, on the other hand, is rightfully stopped by police.100% agreed. It's morally wrong, illegal, and bad tactics. Nobody on this thread is saying that you can’t peacefully protest for reform nationwide. However, JayZ is correct in saying that many people, including many on OTChat, asserted that Colin Kaepernick did not have the right to protest. Without at all excusing destruction of property or attempted murder of police officers, maybe these violent protests wouldn't have happened if so many people hadn't been so dismissive of Kaepernick's actions. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun May 31 08:48:35 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by AlM on Sun May 31 08:44:27 2020. Kaepernick was the warning.Now we're dealing with the consequences of ignoring that warning. |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Sun May 31 09:03:06 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun May 31 08:36:53 2020. Wow, the hatred coming from you, since I actually support anyone who is peacefully protesting, including the LGBT community often targeted by offiers and civilians who are thugs/homophobes that attack LGBT.But of course you don't see the whole picture. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun May 31 09:12:08 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Sun May 31 09:03:06 2020. Want to know why the riots are happening?Let me give you an excellent example: The noted rapper T.I. made an impassioned plea, on live TV, for people in Atlanta to "stop destroying the city, because Atlanta has always been there for us". T.I. then returned home to his gated community, which had previously arrested him because their security didn't believe he lived there. Racism permeates everything. You don't get to be the arbiter of how people respond to the enormity of the atrocity that caused the death of George Floyd. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun May 31 09:13:57 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun May 31 06:29:30 2020. His risk of being killed by the police is actually very similar to the risk of hispanic men.Black men are 2.5 times more likely to be killed by the police than white men. Hispanic men are 1.3 times more likely. Asian men are less than half as likely. Source |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun May 31 09:16:14 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Sun May 31 09:03:06 2020. Here's another example of the kind of racism that makes our blood boil. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun May 31 09:16:29 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun May 31 09:12:08 2020. Everyone has a different perspective and that's fine. You don't get to be the arbiter of which perspectives are allowed to be expressed. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun May 31 09:16:46 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun May 31 09:12:08 2020. Everyone has a different perspective and that's fine. You don't get to decide which perspectives are allowed to be expressed. |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Sun May 31 09:25:29 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by Easy on Sun May 31 09:16:29 2020. 💯 💯 💯 💯 💯 💯 |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun May 31 09:25:37 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by AlM on Sun May 31 08:44:27 2020. No one said that kaelernick didn't have the right to protest. It was said that he didnt have the right to protest on his bosses dime, Mr rationalizer. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun May 31 09:28:48 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by Easy on Sun May 31 09:13:57 2020. It's easy for him to dictate how others should respond, when he knows it is far less likely to happen to him, than to those aggrieved by what DID happen to Floyd. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun May 31 09:29:29 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by Train Dude on Sun May 31 09:25:37 2020. I'd say that whether or not he had that right was between him and his employer. But none of us are able to live without consequences for our actions. He protested to get a reaction and he got a reaction. And I think that he's fine with that. He made his political statement and he's making more money than ever because of his Nike contract that he wouldn't have had otherwise. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun May 31 09:32:20 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by Easy on Sun May 31 09:29:29 2020. Now we are collectively living with the consequences of ignoring Kaepernick's warning. |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Sun May 31 09:32:50 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun May 31 09:16:14 2020. That is pure racism, calling police on your own mayor of Mount Vernon, along with two people who were with him.Again, nationwide protest in every city may involve blocking traffic and stopping streets. It does not give anarchists the right to throw a Molotov cocktail at an occupied police van, smash a deputy inspector with a brick, shove a dumpster at a protestor, break windows at an Auto Zone while carrying an umbrella, destroy property, cause fear among other protestors and non protestors, etc. |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Sun May 31 09:35:38 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun May 31 09:32:20 2020. Kaepernick disrespected the 🇺🇸 flag while on the NFL's time. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun May 31 09:35:53 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Sun May 31 09:32:50 2020. That deputy inspector wasn't "smashed with a brick". He had underlying health problems that caused his face to bleed.See how absurd that sounds? This is why people are wilding out in the streets. |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Sun May 31 09:36:42 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun May 31 09:35:53 2020. Boy you sure do love this mayhem and destruction. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun May 31 09:36:43 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun May 31 09:12:08 2020. You are correct and rioting and looting will certainly change the hearts and minds of people who are racist. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun May 31 09:37:06 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Sun May 31 09:35:38 2020. Kaepernick didn't "disrespect" the flag. A decorated US Army veteran suggested kneeling during the national anthem as an appropriate protest. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun May 31 09:40:18 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Sun May 31 09:36:42 2020. You sure love demonizing something you don't understand. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun May 31 09:42:23 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun May 31 09:37:06 2020. so let's get this straight. Most Americans believed that kaepernick was disrespecting the flag and said so by protesting the NFL. You found ONE person who feels that Kaepernick was right. So obviously if you found one person who agreed with jaepernicm then obviously, you can declare everyone else wrong. There is a lot of logic that went into that conclusion, I am sure. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun May 31 09:43:20 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by Train Dude on Sun May 31 09:42:23 2020. Kaepernick WAS right, as evidenced by events happening now. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun May 31 09:46:22 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun May 31 09:40:18 2020. certainly, I understand it. So if I want to protest what I perceive as your racism, I can burn down your business or set fire to a strangers car. Yup, makes perfect sense. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun May 31 09:49:51 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun May 31 06:44:12 2020. Oh stop with the shit. There are white people thugs burning and looting right next to the others. Burning and looting your city, and small business owner (as well as big) is not bringing light to an issue, it's insanity.Stop with your self rigeous rap |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun May 31 09:50:00 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun May 31 06:44:12 2020. Oh stop with the shit. There are white people thugs burning and looting right next to the others. Burning and looting your city, and small business owner (as well as big) is not bringing light to an issue, it's insanity.Stop with your self rigeous crap |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun May 31 09:50:19 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by mtk52983 on Sun May 31 06:51:37 2020. Exactly. |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Sun May 31 09:55:56 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun May 31 09:40:18 2020. I have called the four officers in the Diallo killing to be convicted of the top charge of murder for their senseless act 24 years ago. I have been so impartial in viewing both sides, from the police and victims viewpoints.White people have been destroying black owned businesses and you do condone their acts of terrorism. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun May 31 09:58:05 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun May 31 08:48:35 2020. Burning a city down is not protesters, it just makes the stereotype more pronounced and leads people even further from a cause, even from those that otherwise would be sympathetic |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun May 31 09:59:40 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun May 31 09:43:20 2020. No, it just proves he was even more wro g. The violence just proves an appearance of a stereotype that shouldn't be proven. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun May 31 10:01:33 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by mtk52983 on Sun May 31 06:43:02 2020. You can fill in Target and the mom and pop sneaker stores and other hard worked businesses (many minority owned as well). Many of these businesses (most?) Will not be returning for decades, if ever. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun May 31 10:07:56 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by Train Dude on Sun May 31 09:46:22 2020. Yup, this is helping the cause of minorities...and all alike:https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-05-29/minneapolis-minority-business-owners-awake-to-destruction  Brenda Lenton is consoled by a passerby as she watches her apartment burn Friday in Minneapolis. (Brian Peterson / Star Tribune) |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun May 31 10:14:43 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by Train Dude on Sat May 30 21:52:39 2020. WTF do you think, given an opportunity, anyone would voluntarily remain in a toxic, harassing Cultural environment?Maybe if there were fewer people like you downstate I wouldn't have moved. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun May 31 10:35:49 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun May 31 09:37:06 2020. There is absolutely nothing you can say that would make this right. Sorry, this is pure evil.My heart burns for people like this poor man, not your evil violent destructors. THIS is who my heart bleeds for. https://www.faithwire.com/2020/05/29/small-business-owner-reduced-to-tears-watching-rioters-destroy-his-dream/ |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun May 31 10:36:32 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Sun May 31 09:55:56 2020. Yes, the thugs are white and black, and they are evil. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun May 31 10:42:36 2020, in response to Re: Atlanta Buring, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun May 31 10:07:56 2020. In a way, this calls to mind the scene in The Godfather where the Dons are discussing selling drugs and they decide to keep in in the black neighborhoods because "they're animals anyway." Certainly a small number of cops feel that way but I don't see vandalizing a NYPD patrol car changing the heart and mind of a racist cop from Hastings on Hudson. |
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