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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Jan 10 19:33:27 2024, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by AlM on Wed Jan 10 18:51:32 2024. I already said that it was a little girl. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 10 19:38:08 2024, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by #4SeaBeachFred on Wed Jan 10 18:19:29 2024. LOL at “foul air.”Staten Island is literally the trash dump borough. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 10 19:47:53 2024, in response to Re: I Am Pissed Off, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jan 10 19:21:03 2024. That’s a shame. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Jan 10 19:57:00 2024, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Jan 10 19:32:51 2024. Huh?Murder rate, assault rate, burglary rate, etc. 2245 murders in 1990, 386 in 2023. Link |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Jan 10 20:12:03 2024, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Jan 10 19:33:27 2024. ???You preceded me by a minute. No one checks every minute to see if their post has been preceded by a similar one. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 10 20:57:47 2024, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by AlM on Wed Jan 10 20:12:03 2024. Says you |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Jan 10 20:58:27 2024, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jan 9 20:56:20 2024. I Said You were a "Gatekeeper",and I meant it. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jan 10 21:44:52 2024, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Edwards! on Wed Jan 10 20:58:27 2024. YOU, as another native NYer, are OK with all of this? I'm not allowed to have an opinion on our city going back to shit? What exactly is a gatekeeper? |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jan 10 21:45:49 2024, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by AlM on Wed Jan 10 18:54:50 2024. Lo@lm! |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Jan 10 21:52:25 2024, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by AlM on Wed Jan 10 19:57:00 2024. I knew you’d do that! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 10 21:57:39 2024, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Jan 10 21:52:25 2024. Facts > vibes |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jan 10 22:02:01 2024, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by AlM on Wed Jan 10 18:49:07 2024. No it's not. Don't be delightfully naive. Crime in the streets had always been here. What HAS changed is the fudging of crime stats, classifications being changed, the willful nonenforcement of non-felony crimes, etc...Mayors like Giuliani and Bloomberg, with Old School Police leadership, a la Bratton and Kelly, were able to keep violent crimes down enough that it never made the news. Wilhelm single-handedly destroyed all that progress, because enforcing the law and expecting people to behave is "racizms". Adams tries to straddle the fence, but ultimately is owned by his overlords, who share the "progressive democratic worldview where crime is part of life, criminals have rights, police and courts are villafied, etc... |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jan 10 22:05:14 2024, in response to Re: I Am Pissed Off, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 10 19:47:53 2024. Indeed it was |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 10 22:10:01 2024, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jan 10 22:02:01 2024. LOL! |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Jan 10 22:11:56 2024, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 10 21:57:39 2024. I wouldn’t be so quick to chalk it up to that and dismiss. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jan 10 22:34:24 2024, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 10 22:10:01 2024. To quote Kurt Angle... |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Jan 10 23:30:49 2024, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by AlM on Wed Jan 10 18:51:32 2024. Tex Antoine was great. I enjoyed watching him and his drawings. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jan 11 02:59:22 2024, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jan 10 22:02:01 2024. Right. The five-fold decrease in murders is a fiction. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Jan 11 03:06:59 2024, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by AlM on Thu Jan 11 02:59:22 2024. You are singling out a specific crime. I was talking about crime in general.But, that being said, do YOU truly believe that there's been a fivefold decrease in murders? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 11 09:44:28 2024, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Jan 11 03:06:59 2024. Murder is the hardest crime to fudge the stats on. Or do you somehow believe that murders went down alone? |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Jan 11 10:51:38 2024, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jan 10 22:02:01 2024. It interesting to see which commands have the most change since 1990. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jan 11 11:41:44 2024, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Jan 11 03:06:59 2024. I believe there has been a five-fold decrease in murders.There is a long-term rough correlation between murders and other crime. I have no reason to believe that other crime has gone down as much as murders. But I do believe it has gone down significantly. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Jan 11 12:58:30 2024, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 11 09:44:28 2024. Mope vs mope, it's easier to downgrade, same with skell vs skell.I believe that there were more murders back then, no cameras, craxk wars, etc.. but I also believe those days are coming back, albeit slowly |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Jan 11 13:02:51 2024, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by AlM on Thu Jan 11 11:41:44 2024. Psst! Wanna buy a bridge? |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Jan 11 13:04:08 2024, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Jan 11 12:58:30 2024. 87 people in one fell swoop in 1990 otherwise 1990 and 1991 were almost identical. 2001 doesn’t count the nearly 2800 lost in lower Manhattan so in 10 years there were about 1500 less murdered. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jan 11 13:16:45 2024, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Jan 11 13:04:08 2024. Bill is alleging in another post that the murder statistics are faked. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 11 13:19:48 2024, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Jan 11 13:04:08 2024. Did the Happy Land fire actually count against the murder count in 1990? |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Jan 11 13:45:01 2024, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by AlM on Thu Jan 11 13:16:45 2024. Lots of murders are downgraded to manslaughter. Facts. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Jan 11 13:45:27 2024, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 11 13:19:48 2024. Yes |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jan 11 14:14:29 2024, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Jan 11 13:45:01 2024. Ah, well. Actually I think the stats are for homicides, not murders. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Jan 11 14:52:48 2024, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 11 13:19:48 2024. I have not seen any footnotes to the contrary. But for 2001 there is a footnote. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Jan 11 14:59:40 2024, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 10 19:38:08 2024. It was. But Fresh Kills landfill has been closed for years. I remember the talk of high cancer rates on the west side of the island due to the chemically enhanced air pollution blowing in from NJ. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jan 11 15:13:27 2024, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by #4SeaBeachFred on Wed Jan 10 18:19:29 2024. The air in NYC is way better than it used to be.- First they banned coal heating. - Then they banned #6 and #4 fuel oil. - More buses are not diesel. - Cars have far fewer emissions than they used to. Getting lead out of gasoline was a massive health improvement, but the particulates are greatly reduced too. - NJ has cleaned up its act a fair amount. For example, the Linden refinery on the NJ Turnpike smells way less bad than it used to. In the 1970s I lived in Renton WA, south of Seattle, for a few years. I have never experienced such eye-irritating air in NYC as I experienced there. Living with lots of cars and high mountains to your east is way worse than NYC. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Jan 11 15:53:42 2024, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by AlM on Thu Jan 11 15:13:27 2024. Less we forget that just about every apt. house had an incinerator to burn the tenants garbage. Municipal incinerators were in use also.Growing up in Woodside, the Van Iderside (sp) fat rendering plant located on the Newtown Creek in Greenpoint would stink out the entire neighborhood if the wind was right, or wrong depending on where you lived. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jan 11 16:18:57 2024, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Jan 11 15:53:42 2024. Agreed, I forgot all about the incinerators. Seriously bad smoke from those.And the highly polluting industrial stuff that Peter Rosa laments so much. :) |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Jan 11 17:47:17 2024, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Jan 11 15:53:42 2024. I really miss the scent of burning leaves. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 11 17:48:29 2024, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Jan 11 17:47:17 2024. They have that now but with a different kind of “leaf” and it’s unpleasant. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jan 11 19:52:18 2024, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Jan 11 17:47:17 2024. I used to, until the first time I ended up hiking downwind from a forest fire. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Jan 11 21:15:59 2024, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by AlM on Thu Jan 11 19:52:18 2024. Oh God |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri Jan 12 04:06:28 2024, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by AlM on Wed Jan 10 18:54:50 2024. Exactly!A sibling related a subway story way back when. When the train arrived, 1 car was strangely empty and the next car was packed. They went into the empty car, only to find a homeless person defecating inside, with the appropriate smells. They immediately went into the packed car, where they overheard a person jovially telling a tourist, "Bet you don't have this where you come from." |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri Jan 12 04:16:30 2024, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Jan 11 15:53:42 2024. Oh, man, I remember the incinerator in my old building! Sometimes something would go wrong, and instead of some smoke and ash it would be clouds of smoke even getting into the apartments, for which somebody would call the fire department. Eventually, the incinerator was replaced with a trash compactor, but if you can read the raised writing covered with many years of paint, it's still referred to as an incinerator. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri Jan 12 04:18:55 2024, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by AlM on Thu Jan 11 15:13:27 2024. I remember riding the Staten Island Ferry back to Manhattan in the early '80s, and seeing an ugly brown haze over Manhattan. That's something about the past I don't miss. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Jan 12 17:10:45 2024, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by 3-9 on Fri Jan 12 04:18:55 2024. Yeah that was nasty. I’d see it from the bay wall out in the Rockaways. 9/11/01 coincidentally was an extremely rare day when that haze was not there in the morning. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 12 17:35:56 2024, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Jan 12 17:10:45 2024. Honestly, I remember that haze but I didn’t notice it disappear. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jan 12 19:28:37 2024, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Jan 12 17:10:45 2024. The morning of 9/11 was beautiful. Not a cloud in the sky. Just a little crispness in the air to give a hint of the upcoming season change.Then it got real cloudy...espically over lower Manhattan and Brooklyn. Shown here is lower Manhattan from satellite after the attacks.  |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Jan 12 22:49:27 2024, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 12 17:35:56 2024. When I left my house for work and drove over the Cross Bay bridge I looked across the bay and Brooklyn and Queens out to the city like usual and it was absolutely crystal clear I could see the sun reflecting off the windows of buildings in Manhattan let alone the towers. We would have maybe 4 or 5 days a year that would be that clear and that day was the most brilliant of them all ever. Zero haze. It was surreal in retrospect.Matter of fact the bay was so still that the towers were reflecting off the bay. Believe it or not. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Jan 12 22:50:22 2024, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jan 12 19:28:37 2024. I know man. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Jan 13 07:35:57 2024, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by AlM on Thu Jan 11 15:13:27 2024. YesThere is still a rotten eggs smell in Newark on certain days,because of the refineries,but not as bad as it use to be for North Jersey. I remember the dank hazy crappie looking skies over NYC.. One visit to WTC2 on a very bright sunny day in 1976,was like looking at pea soup floating in the air. It was THAT pronounced. There is still a lurking dirty cloud over the city,but not as bad as it's been. The Canadian Wild Fires last year kinda reminded me of how bad the smog use to be in NYC when I was a kid. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sat Jan 13 21:08:57 2024, in response to Re: I Am Not Panicking, posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Jan 12 22:49:27 2024. Yeah, I also remember what a clear, beautiful day it was. I had a late start to work then. |
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Posted by chicagoMotorman on Tue Jan 23 14:12:09 2024, in response to I Am Not Panicking, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Mar 12 20:17:30 2020. 
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