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Re: Never thought I'd ever say this |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Feb 27 11:17:00 2020, in response to Never thought I'd ever say this, posted by Dave on Thu Feb 27 11:10:09 2020. All the professional epidemiology-related positions at the high levels in the federal government are vacant. If, perchance, he actually listens to the carefully considered opinions of the career personnel who remain, at least he will be heard when he proposes specific measures.Of course, if he doesn't listen, we're screwed. |
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Posted by Dave on Thu Feb 27 11:20:54 2020, in response to Re: Never thought I'd ever say this, posted by AlM on Thu Feb 27 11:17:00 2020. They're vacant because Trump fired all of them in 2017. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Feb 27 11:21:46 2020, in response to Re: Never thought I'd ever say this, posted by Dave on Thu Feb 27 11:20:54 2020. Well, yeah. They weren't needed then, were they? |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Feb 27 11:40:35 2020, in response to Never thought I'd ever say this, posted by Dave on Thu Feb 27 11:10:09 2020. What's a science denier? And what function should Vice President serve besides just the president of the senate, or waiting for the president to become incapacitated? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 27 11:42:37 2020, in response to Re: Never thought I'd ever say this, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Feb 27 11:40:35 2020. A science denier is someone who doesn't believe in 53 distinct gender identities |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 27 12:21:53 2020, in response to Never thought I'd ever say this, posted by Dave on Thu Feb 27 11:10:09 2020. You've thrown away objective reasoning.You really want to go down the same route Obama did with his "czars"?? and he's a science denier You have no basis for that accusation. Just call yourself a liberal and be honest with yourself for once. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 27 12:24:36 2020, in response to Re: Never thought I'd ever say this, posted by Dave on Thu Feb 27 11:20:54 2020. And now you illustrate that you're all for big, bloated, top-down iron-fisted government. Thanks for showing your true colors. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 27 12:28:21 2020, in response to Re: Never thought I'd ever say this, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Feb 27 11:40:35 2020. What's a science denier?That's left-wing-speak for someone who does not believe in the false religion of "global warming", or more than two genders, or "rights" given solely by government ad nauseam. And what function should Vice President serve besides just the president of the senate, or waiting for the president to become incapacitated? Don't expect a coherent answer. And don't expect him to mention that Obama's "Ebola czar" had zero medical expertise—the man is a lawyer. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Feb 27 12:43:09 2020, in response to Re: Never thought I’d ever say this?, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 27 12:21:53 2020. You have no basis for that accusationPence is a science denier. Pence is a science denier. Pence is a science denier. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Feb 27 12:48:31 2020, in response to Re: Never thought I’d ever say this?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Feb 27 12:43:09 2020. Why would you argue with a science denier about whether Pence is a science denier? |
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Posted by Dave on Thu Feb 27 12:53:37 2020, in response to Re: Never thought I’d ever say this?, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 27 12:24:36 2020. WTF are you rambling on about this time? |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Feb 27 12:59:27 2020, in response to Re: Never thought I’d ever say this?, posted by Dave on Thu Feb 27 12:53:37 2020. +50 |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Thu Feb 27 13:11:26 2020, in response to Re: Never thought I'd ever say this, posted by Dave on Thu Feb 27 11:20:54 2020. HE FIRES EVERYBODY |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Feb 27 13:15:54 2020, in response to Re: Never thought I'd ever say this, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Thu Feb 27 13:11:26 2020. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Feb 27 13:56:11 2020, in response to Re: Never thought I’d ever say this?, posted by Dave on Thu Feb 27 12:53:37 2020. He is saying that we don't need no effing government getting involved with epidemic control. Private enterprise is quite capable of providing the necessary services. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Feb 27 13:56:46 2020, in response to Re: Never thought I'd ever say this, posted by AlM on Thu Feb 27 11:17:00 2020. Doesn't Tiffany Trump need to do something? Give her the job! |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Feb 27 13:57:45 2020, in response to Re: Never thought I’d ever say this?, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 27 12:24:36 2020. I think you're the only person here who took it like that |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Thu Feb 27 14:41:07 2020, in response to Re: Never thought I'd ever say this, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Feb 27 13:15:54 2020. HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
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Posted by 3-9 on Thu Feb 27 14:51:16 2020, in response to Re: Never thought I’d ever say this?, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 27 12:24:36 2020. I was wondering how long it would take for someone to say something like this! |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Feb 27 14:51:43 2020, in response to Re: Never thought I’d ever say this?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Feb 27 12:43:09 2020. I’m glad that we have people that question science. Without them we’d still be taught that meat turns into maggots and that wood in its elemental state is composed of fire.We are at a point where non-scientists accept all science that supports their opinions and rejects science that doesn’t. It’s become very political on both sides. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Thu Feb 27 14:52:18 2020, in response to Re: Never thought I'd ever say this, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Thu Feb 27 13:11:26 2020. Except his daughter and her husband. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Thu Feb 27 15:06:38 2020, in response to Re: Never thought I’d ever say this?, posted by Easy on Thu Feb 27 14:51:43 2020. I'm not a scientist, and I won't reject science that doesn't support my opinions. In fact, I would find it enlightening. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Feb 27 15:13:53 2020, in response to Re: Never thought I’d ever say this?, posted by Easy on Thu Feb 27 14:51:43 2020. Pence wrote a paper that denied smoking is carcinogenic. Now that might be his "opinion", and it might involve science that doesn't support his opinion, but it contradicts known scientific FACT.I don't want someone in charge of the coronavirus response who chooses to ignore scientific facts because they may not comport with his opinions. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Feb 27 15:25:46 2020, in response to Re: Never thought I’d ever say this?, posted by Easy on Thu Feb 27 14:51:43 2020. But science should be questioned from a scientific point of view. Once something is scientifically proven, it's time to move on. Otherwise you just have flat earthers.Let me give a politically conservative example. Leftists say that fracking causes pollution and earthquakes. But the science strongly posits that it's not fracking that causes pollution; it's careless practices that are equally a part of regular gas drilling. The solution is not to curb fracking but to curb careless drilling practices. Similarly, science tends to show it's not fracking that causes the earthquakes, it's injecting the used fracking water back into the ground that does. So don't ban fracking; ban re-injection of the fracking water. So I'm all for scientists questioning science. I'm not so much for people ignorant of the science questioning science. They question science without using established scientific methods to show the errors. "Meat turns into maggots" was disproved by good science, not by random people saying it's not so. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Feb 27 15:26:59 2020, in response to Re: Never thought I'd ever say this, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Thu Feb 27 14:41:07 2020. Glad you liked it. |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Thu Feb 27 15:35:29 2020, in response to Re: Never thought I'd ever say this, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Feb 27 15:26:59 2020. ..............................................................OK |
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Posted by Dave on Thu Feb 27 15:36:05 2020, in response to Re: Never thought I’d ever say this?, posted by AlM on Thu Feb 27 15:25:46 2020. IAWTP. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Feb 27 16:25:27 2020, in response to Never thought I'd ever say this, posted by Dave on Thu Feb 27 11:10:09 2020. Rare time I agree with you.Pence, besides being one of the stupidest persons in the administration, fundamentalist fanatic, anti-science, fucked up the HIV crisis in Indiana, and doubts smoking causes cancer, Trump's idiotic press conference yesterday, contradicting the CDC, and putting Pence in charge of communication messaging is why the stock market is down 1,200 points today, the largest point drop in history. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Feb 27 16:34:11 2020, in response to Re: Never thought I’d ever say this?, posted by AlM on Thu Feb 27 13:56:11 2020. When the private sector doesn't make their "quarterly number" set by the childish attention spans of Wall Street analysts, they get rid of people. It does not matter what their workload is.Goldman Sachs expects net zero corporate earnings for 2020. That means the private health sector will have to be subsidized to do anything required for public health. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 27 16:36:25 2020, in response to Re: Never thought I’d ever say this?, posted by Easy on Thu Feb 27 14:51:43 2020. No, those people didn’t question science. They used science to show that common beliefs were wrong. Pence, OTOH ignores science because it contradicts the buy-bull. |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Feb 27 17:11:02 2020, in response to Re: Never thought I’d ever say this?, posted by 3-9 on Thu Feb 27 15:06:38 2020. I don’t think that most people are knowledgeable to even make such distinctions. As an example there are a minority but still plenty of scientists that disagree that climate change is caused by man-made greenhouse gases. But you can’t even point that out without being labeled a science denier. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Thu Feb 27 17:14:08 2020, in response to Never thought I'd ever say this, posted by Dave on Thu Feb 27 11:10:09 2020. JFK named Lyndon Johnson to head the Mercury space program in the early 1960’s. What experience in space did LBJ have?This is more of an honorary position than anything else. |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Feb 27 17:21:25 2020, in response to Re: Never thought I’d ever say this?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Feb 27 15:13:53 2020. Was cigarette smoke listed by EPA as a known carcinogen when he wrote that article?The scare over modelovirus is out of proportion to the actual danger. I do t know Pence’s qualifications but so far I’m glad that we don’t have a President fear mongering. |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Feb 27 17:22:59 2020, in response to Re: Never thought I’d ever say this?, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 27 16:36:25 2020. They first questioned then they experimented. And they were ridiculed by the scientific community at the time because there was already consensus. This has occurred throughout history. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Feb 27 17:26:20 2020, in response to JFK (Re: Never thought I'd ever say this), posted by Mitch45 on Thu Feb 27 17:14:08 2020. Pence may be used to control messaging from the CDC, so as not to contradict Trump, who thinks it will not spread any further when the whether gets warm in April and it is just like Flu. THAT is the danger.This is far more contagious than flu and there won't be a vaccine for a year. Then there are the cuts to CDC and NIH. He said last night he can get their staff back when he needs to. if they get other jobs, no he can't. They are not like furloughed railroad crews. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Thu Feb 27 17:39:16 2020, in response to Re: Never thought I’d ever say this?, posted by Easy on Thu Feb 27 17:11:02 2020. That's a very tiny minority we're talking about. And I'm not sure that saying that there are scientists that disagree is bad - there are scientists that disagree on a lot of things. It's when people point to that 1%-3% and go "See? Climate change isn't settled, therefore it's BS", or twisting statements, or take them out of context, that they start being labeled as science deniers. |
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Re: JFK (Re: Never thought I'd ever say this) |
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Posted by 3-9 on Thu Feb 27 17:40:21 2020, in response to Re: JFK (Re: Never thought I'd ever say this), posted by Joe V on Thu Feb 27 17:26:20 2020. IAWTP |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Feb 27 17:45:21 2020, in response to JFK (Re: Never thought I'd ever say this), posted by Mitch45 on Thu Feb 27 17:14:08 2020. Very good post. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Feb 27 17:45:45 2020, in response to Re: Never thought I’d ever say this?, posted by 3-9 on Thu Feb 27 17:39:16 2020. Even the FOX chief meteorologist believers in man-made climate change. The research has gotten down to analyzing carbon isotopes and determined they had to be sourced from fossil fuel. The 3% who still don't believe it are compensated by the energy industry who go for interviews at Fox news. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Feb 27 17:59:26 2020, in response to Re: JFK (Re: Never thought I'd ever say this), posted by Joe V on Thu Feb 27 17:26:20 2020. This is far more contagious than flu and there won't be a vaccine for a year.It's not particularly MORE contagious than the flu. It's as contagious and more deadly. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Feb 27 18:05:03 2020, in response to JFK (Re: Never thought I'd ever say this), posted by Mitch45 on Thu Feb 27 17:14:08 2020. Government medical personnel are being told to clear their statements with Pence first. That's not an honorary role. At worst, it's a censorship role. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Feb 27 18:24:34 2020, in response to Re: JFK (Re: Never thought I'd ever say this), posted by AlM on Thu Feb 27 17:59:26 2020. the vaccine is a preventative for future, its not a cure or solution for current cases. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Feb 27 18:26:18 2020, in response to Re: JFK (Re: Never thought I'd ever say this), posted by AlM on Thu Feb 27 17:59:26 2020. I'm afraid it is, according to NBC News medical contributor Dr. Natalie Azar:https://www.today.com/health/doctor-discusses-differences-between-coronavirus-flu-more-t174643 "Though the coronavirus is "definitely" more contagious than the flu, it's important to remember that it usually isn't fatal, said Azar. "For flu, it's about 0.1% mortality. For coronavirus, it's about 2%. SARS was 10%," she explained." |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Feb 27 18:55:32 2020, in response to Re: Never thought I’d ever say this?, posted by Easy on Thu Feb 27 14:51:43 2020. Don't forget going to the barbershop for bloodletting! |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Feb 27 19:34:01 2020, in response to Re: Never thought I'd ever say this, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Feb 27 13:15:54 2020. Who's Vince McMahon? |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Feb 27 19:36:02 2020, in response to Re: Never thought I’d ever say this?, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 27 12:28:21 2020. You have to be an idiot to deny global warming. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 27 19:39:04 2020, in response to Re: Never thought I'd ever say this, posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Feb 27 19:34:01 2020. Founder of the WWE. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 27 19:39:29 2020, in response to Re: Never thought I’d ever say this?, posted by Easy on Thu Feb 27 17:11:02 2020. The minority is so small that you can almost dismiss them all as hacks or in someone’s pocket. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 27 19:40:27 2020, in response to Re: Never thought I’d ever say this?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Feb 27 19:36:02 2020. You can't be much smarter if you think cyclic climate changes are man made or controllable by humans. |
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