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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Feb 23 03:42:31 2020, in response to Re: Feel the Bern, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Feb 23 02:57:45 2020. With a total shithead? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Feb 23 03:43:12 2020, in response to Re: Feel the Bern, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 23 01:22:32 2020. LOL! You’re describing Trump. And your leader even paints his face. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Feb 23 03:44:00 2020, in response to Re: Feel the Bern, posted by mtk52983 on Sat Feb 22 18:14:23 2020. I love the shear hypocrisy of people who voted for a radical like Trump have the balls to try to lecture the democratic party on who they vote for.You like the soapbox much? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Feb 23 03:44:46 2020, in response to Re: Feel the Bern, posted by ClearAspect on Sun Feb 23 03:44:00 2020. Excellent post. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Feb 23 04:14:59 2020, in response to Re: Feel the Bern, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Feb 23 03:44:46 2020. he needs to explain why.Trump won because a radical Obama won. Now Bernie is a threat. It keeps getting more radical. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Feb 23 04:45:58 2020, in response to Re: Feel the Bern, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Feb 23 04:14:59 2020. What did Obama do that was Radical?Of all the fearmongering, what did he do that disrupted the status quo? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Feb 23 05:03:11 2020, in response to Re: Feel the Bern, posted by ClearAspect on Sun Feb 23 04:45:58 2020. health care is not better. He made it worse.He didn't even campaign on health care. He knew his plan would not be popular with voters. He's fake. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Feb 23 05:47:20 2020, in response to Re: Feel the Bern, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Feb 23 05:03:11 2020. How did it make health care worse? So you were okay with insurances denying people life saving or necessary medical care?Got you. People are against it because Republicans lie about it. Period. Healthcare for all if implemented properly would save thousands of people a year, infact one study said it would save over 68,000 lives a year. It would make the economy stronger because people instead of going to work sick or worse not come back to work due to not being to physically would instead seek treatment and come back to work increasing productivity. Also an overall healthier population decreases medical costs overall. A healthier population is a prosperous one. Unfortunately the people in congress and president trump who dont support that have access and can afford the best healthcare possible. Sadly we have evanglicals and republicans who talk about god and country but dont give a shit about saving their fellow countryman's life if it meant a few cents more on their taxes. Or as I call it Christian Lip service. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Feb 23 06:03:06 2020, in response to Re: Feel the Bern, posted by ClearAspect on Sun Feb 23 05:47:20 2020. the population is not healthier and the quality of health care isn't going to get better if it's free.The population is far unhealthier and getting worse but that ain't Obama's fault. The cost increase is though. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Feb 23 06:26:23 2020, in response to Re: Feel the Bern, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Feb 23 06:03:06 2020. Youre making an assumptions, dozens of studies say you are wrong.Cost increase is? Well Trump has been here 3 years what did he do about it? He said he was gonna fix healthcare and give everyone the same coverage for cheaper and slash the cost of medicine which is going up faster than inflation. Stick to diets luch, you know nothing else. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Sun Feb 23 06:32:28 2020, in response to Re: Feel the Bern, posted by ClearAspect on Sun Feb 23 03:44:00 2020. Ratboy, the joke is on you as I have never voted for Trump. Our system of government works best when you have two fairly equal parties having to pitch to legitimately swing voters in order to obtain a majority. I have stated that an ideal Supreme Court would have a 4-4 split with the 9th Justice more of a wildcard that is liable to jump to the other side if one group of 4 goes too far. A lot of our Constitution is clear. The 3rd Amendment, for example, is very black and white. The issue becomes that with other places like the 8th Amendment, the founders stated more abstract goals and did not define within the document all of the terms. Cases involving the latter, unless it is agreed under any standard that the law violates the Constitution (i.e. mandatory remand for any violation of the law, mandatory vehicle forfeiture out of proportion to fine charged offense or possible fine), should involve robust debate an acting solely on the facts of the case rather than use it as a vehicle to enact sweeping changes to the law. The Democrats are becoming more brazenly out of touch with mainstream America. I want that to be curtailed so they don’t go the way of the Whig Party and we are stuck with one party rule. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Feb 23 06:44:42 2020, in response to Re: Feel the Bern, posted by mtk52983 on Sun Feb 23 06:32:28 2020. Oooh the stalking lawyer opened his mouth.look at you making inaccurate statements again “The Democrats are becoming more brazenly out of touch with mainstream America. I want that to be curtailed so they don’t go the way of the Whig Party and we are stuck with one party rule.” This is where you fail. You fail to understand just like with Trump there is a growing number not happy with where the party and country is. Especially among younger voters. Something you seem to completely ignore... but again people ignored Trump and look where we are. The only thing salvaging trump are a lot of Bernie supporters havent reached voting age but he speaks to them. College costs are insane Cost of healthcare is insane The economy though strong doesnt afford one the opportunity to afford a home on one persons salary or wage. You say bernie is out of touch with mainstream america, no hes hitting the right tones because these are issues affecting people just not people like you or trump supporters which are mostly white, and tend to be older, which some of these issues arent important to them. Democrats are fine, theyre going through the same transition that Republicans went through in 2016. Even if Trump wins 2020, 2024 a lof of people who young voters who like Bernie who believe in these core issues will be able to vote. Republicans are the Party of Trump they embraced hard right. Democrats are going the way of Bernie because thats what alot Americans want. You sound the Republicans during 2016 decrying Trump. Now they fall in line. Enough fearmongering and lies out of you. If Bernie and dems were out of touch they wouldnt be pulling record turn out for caucus. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Sun Feb 23 07:10:07 2020, in response to Re: Feel the Bern, posted by ClearAspect on Sun Feb 23 06:44:42 2020. College costs are insane because heaven forbid it not have a bloated administrative staff with more Deans and Assistant Deans than faculty, or heaven forbid it not have the newest gym, dorms, or dining hall facilities. The other problem is that we have demonized trade schools and union apprenticeships as alternative means of advancement versus going to college. Electricians, auto repairmen, etc. will always be needed.Health care was going up well before Trump was elected. For someone like me, Affordable Care Act has been a disaster. My premiums have gone up every year thanks to fewer insurance companies in the marketplace for consistently decreasing benefits. Since the Affordable Care Act was passed, my insurance has changed 5 or 6 times due to plans no longer being offered, my rates have more than doubled, and I am getting less. First it was not having out of network benefits, then they curtailed who was in network, then they took away the ability to see “specialists” without needing a referral. I was/am young, healthy, and do not have any pre-existing conditions. Finding inexpensive high quality health insurance prior to Affordable Care Act was not an issue. With housing, growth has exceeded wage growth. In any non-government controlled economy that happens. If your entry level job is no longer meeting your needs, acquire the tools to get a better job. It is not the job of the government to provide housing and a wage to everyone. This isn’t Venezuela. The solutions to your problems are not more government regulation as Sanders proposes. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Feb 23 07:27:53 2020, in response to Re: Feel the Bern, posted by mtk52983 on Sun Feb 23 07:10:07 2020. “With housing, growth has exceeded wage growth. In any non-government controlled economy that happens. If your entry level job is no longer meeting your needs, acquire the tools to get a better job. It is not the job of the government to provide housing and a wage to everyone. This isn’t Venezuela.”Using Venezuela? Fearmongering much? Again you act like you understand? Telling people what to do. You act as if the tools are available to everyone to move forward. Republicans have been removing money from Education while college costs of have soared. You may it seem like you dont like the entry level job you can just run get the tools and voila a better job. You over simplify for the sake of a flawed argument. The tools arent easy to find and hiding it being the veil of “capitalism” is also wrong. Especially when you have nations out there with better educated populaces, higher per person wages and happier people overall. But wait those are countries with free or almost free tuition like Sweden and Norway. But you somehow forget these nations and use venezuela. Oh yeah it doesnt work for your fearmongering argument. You are the one out of touch, using mccarthy tactics and lying to push flawed points. Yes college can be free or tuition be reduced so people have the tools to move forward. Also why are you ignoring stats showing many college students having to work 2 jobs to ends meet? You look at your life and then use a broad brush assuming everyone had the same tools and access. So take your fearmongering, your lies and your push of ignorance and take it elsewhere and next time you remember when you bring up venezuela theres other nations out there that are better than the US in some metrics which have policies which you currently dont support. sucks for you |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Sun Feb 23 07:39:13 2020, in response to Re: Feel the Bern, posted by ClearAspect on Sun Feb 23 07:27:53 2020. If you believe that Sweden and Norway are better, nothing is stopping you from moving there. Sweden and Norway are able to do that because they are not expected to take in every poor soul who comes across their borders or act as a worldwide police force. If these countries had to have a significant military budget or provide for those who are not contributing their economies would collapse. It is not fearmongering, it is reality. Sweden and Norway also has an even worse tax structure than the United States. What R&D is Sweden and Norway at the forefront of besides IKEA? Excessive taxes to pay for social services stymies development because there is no incentive to create something new because you will never recoup your investment. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sun Feb 23 07:39:57 2020, in response to Re: Feel the Bern, posted by ClearAspect on Sun Feb 23 06:44:42 2020. creeps such as yourself always manage the find a reason to include the words "white people" in an attempt to be disparaging thereof.you stupid racist imbecile. one day, when you're all grown up you may, i said may understand what logic is. but that's not gonna happen for a long, long time. and everyone on this board knows it. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Feb 23 07:47:55 2020, in response to Re: Feel the Bern, posted by ClearAspect on Sun Feb 23 06:44:42 2020. College costs are insane?Ms. Warren was paid $400,000 to teach one course. College costs are insane? Bernie Sanders socialist wife ran her college into bankruptcy with, among other things, a honey land deal. College costs are insane? Why should taxpayers be forced to pay for a broken system? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Feb 23 07:47:58 2020, in response to Re: Feel the Bern, posted by ClearAspect on Sun Feb 23 06:44:42 2020. College costs are insane?Ms. Warren was paid $400,000 to teach one course. College costs are insane? Bernie Sanders socialist wife ran her college into bankruptcy with, among other things, a honey land deal. College costs are insane? Why should taxpayers be forced to pay for a broken system? |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Feb 23 07:57:37 2020, in response to Re: Feel the Bern, posted by mtk52983 on Sun Feb 23 07:39:13 2020. Oh the “move there” argument. How about “go fuck yourself, I have the option of voting for people or supporting movements to make things better here.Ah so the arguments are now illegal immigrants... Military budget... Yes, its the role you play when you are the beacon of freedom and democracy. If we can spend $700 billion a year for a military, literally handing them blank checks for failed projects such as F-35 we can make due spending our dollars to secure our nation through better infrastructure and education and making such available to more people. Its called an investment and like any investment you have to spend. As for Sweden and Norway, people are happier there, they make more money on a average than a person in the US. And youre saying there is no incentive? You have nothing to back that up and the economic numbers say you have no idea what youre talking about. Go home mtk, your arguments are steeped in ignorance, bathed in lies, and reek of racial stereotyping. Youre full of shit, must make you an amazing lawyer. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Feb 23 08:01:01 2020, in response to Re: Feel the Bern, posted by Train Dude on Sun Feb 23 07:47:58 2020. youre willing to pay tax money to fix a supposed broken military and a border wall...So youre already willing to fix those whats one more? You generation failed and let it get to that point. Now your generation cant own up to fix the mess? |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sun Feb 23 08:05:43 2020, in response to Re: Feel the Bern, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Feb 23 03:42:31 2020. here, lemme quote you:"lol". ya know, the fact that you have a small dick doesn't mean you have to live life being a big dick to compensate for your shame. i'm sure the laughter you heard in the locker room from all the fellas has twisted you and filled you with thoughts of revenge. i mean, yeah, yeah, your life sucks. but still... man up, so to speak. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sun Feb 23 08:05:45 2020, in response to Re: Feel the Bern, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Feb 23 03:42:31 2020. here, lemme quote you:"lol". ya know, the fact that you have a small dick doesn't mean you have to live life being a big dick to compensate for your shame. i'm sure the laughter you heard in the locker room from all the fellas has twisted you and filled you with thoughts of revenge. i mean, yeah, yeah, your life sucks. but still... man up, so to speak. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Feb 23 08:08:52 2020, in response to Re: Feel the Bern, posted by ntrainride on Sun Feb 23 07:39:57 2020. Says the number 1 racist on subchat.Keep your mouth shut and stay in the corner like the little roach you are. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Sun Feb 23 08:09:56 2020, in response to Re: Feel the Bern, posted by ClearAspect on Sun Feb 23 07:57:37 2020. You still have not answered my question Ratboy, what has Sweden and Norway been at the forefront of in terms of R&D? If life is so great there shouldn’t they be innovating something? Being the beacon of freedom and democracy comes at a cost as money is not infinite. If you had $500,000 you can give 5 people $100,000 or you can give 500 people $1,000. I want things better here, but it is not going to happen if you stifle private enterprise and rely on the government for everything. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Feb 23 08:10:41 2020, in response to Re: Feel the Bern, posted by ntrainride on Sun Feb 23 08:05:43 2020. How do you know I got a small dick? You come to my house to measure?This tough talk coming from the guy that is scared of spider pig. Yeah pussy tough talk from you. Go to your mom and take the ball from her and play in the crib. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Feb 23 08:18:47 2020, in response to Re: Feel the Bern, posted by mtk52983 on Sat Feb 22 18:14:23 2020. Meanwhile, the republicans cave to nationalistic, despotic, dogmatic fascism. Not much of a choice there. I'd prefer the ineffective, it would be an improvement compared to the destructive.Biggest problem here is, regardless, if those are the options, Putin wins. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Feb 23 08:30:11 2020, in response to Re: Feel the Bern, posted by mtk52983 on Sun Feb 23 08:09:56 2020. Now its research and development?Moving goalposts cause your venezuela argument tanked faster than the titanic? No one is stifling innovation except you... We want big corporations broken up to create more competition We want more people to go to college to develop a talented pool of people who can lead a new generation of product and research development. You dont mention china produces 10X the number of engineers as the US, you dont mention how many foreigners are hired by corporation for their talents because the US pool isnt as big. You want to suppress this country by denying people to the NECESSARY tools and thus stunting our economic growth opportunity. And you call yourself a lawyer... did you go to the devry school of law? |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sun Feb 23 08:39:30 2020, in response to Re: Feel the Bern, posted by mtk52983 on Sun Feb 23 08:09:56 2020. hazyaspect is the dumbest eleventh grader in his school. if you show him a plate with an apple, an orange and a banana on it and ask him to name which one is a citrus fruit he says "the tomato!". |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Feb 23 08:43:19 2020, in response to Re: Feel the Bern, posted by ntrainride on Sun Feb 23 08:39:30 2020. Beta boy is desperate today. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Sun Feb 23 08:43:21 2020, in response to Re: Feel the Bern, posted by ClearAspect on Sun Feb 23 08:30:11 2020. Not as fast as you move the goalposts whenever you open your mouth. China’s population is larger than the United States so they are going to have more engineers. Foreigners are hired because they are cheaper, not because they are better. At the end of the day businesses want to make a profit. If you are taxing like would be necessary to afford what you are looking to do there won’t be any profit from new development. The solution to spur economic growth opportunity is not increasing government control, but reducing red tape and needless bureaucracy. Much like the colleges with bloated administrative overhead, we can better serve the needs of the country by streamlining government not adding to its largesse. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Feb 23 08:46:31 2020, in response to Re: Feel the Bern, posted by mtk52983 on Sun Feb 23 07:39:13 2020. If you believe that Sweden and Norway are better, nothing is stopping you from moving there.False. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Feb 23 08:57:20 2020, in response to Re: Feel the Bern, posted by mtk52983 on Sun Feb 23 08:43:21 2020. Lol! That argument has been tried and failed!So lets streamline the military first... thats bloated... we could trim 300-400 billion |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Sun Feb 23 08:59:56 2020, in response to Re: Feel the Bern, posted by ClearAspect on Sun Feb 23 08:57:20 2020. Yes we can if we stop giving aid to people like “Palestinians” who don’t support interests of the United States and stop being the world’s police force via the United Nations. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Feb 23 09:04:53 2020, in response to Re: Feel the Bern, posted by mtk52983 on Sun Feb 23 08:59:56 2020. We stopped already... so with trump not wanting to police the world why is the military budget still going up? Could you explain mr lawyer and why you are willing to fuck over our future while keeping your head in the sand about that? |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Feb 23 09:07:40 2020, in response to Re: Feel the Bern, posted by mtk52983 on Sun Feb 23 08:09:56 2020. what has Sweden and Norway been at the forefront of in terms of R&D?These are small countries with populations of: 9 million - Sweden; 6 million - Norway; and 5 million for Denmark and Finland. However, Sweden's R&D expenditure is 4.3% of its GDP vs. 2.8% for the USA. Their small size relative to the USA means that their R&D expenditures are tiny compared to the USA and other large countries. The Scandinavian countries have been in the forefront of software development, where great amounts of capital are not required. Denmark is the birthplace of C++ and Ruby on Rails. Finland is the birthplace of Linux. Sweden is the birthplace of Skype and MySQL. Norway is the birthplace of Siri. Much of their software is open source and is shared freely by commercial companies like Google, Apple, and Facebook. Many of their developments are subsequently bought by American firms and incorporated into their "American" products. This represents a shift in the 50+ years, since I earned my engineering degrees. The USA used to be the chief inventor and exporter of technological innovation. More and more the USA is becoming a major purchaser. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Feb 23 09:09:11 2020, in response to Re: Feel the Bern, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Feb 23 09:07:40 2020. Thank you. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sun Feb 23 09:11:32 2020, in response to Re: Feel the Bern, posted by ntrainride on Sun Feb 23 08:05:43 2020. oh, and once again, i'm not gonna read the response that you know who is gonna make. he can't help himself, i know... lesser beings always crave attention from their betters but that moron always says the same thing. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Feb 23 09:15:55 2020, in response to Re: Feel the Bern, posted by ntrainride on Sun Feb 23 09:11:32 2020. Because youre a pussy. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sun Feb 23 09:56:22 2020, in response to Re: Feel the Bern, posted by bingbong on Sun Feb 23 08:18:47 2020. geezuz, are you still around? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Feb 23 10:17:10 2020, in response to Re: Feel the Bern, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Feb 23 00:24:13 2020. Maxine Waters could make a credible run for the presidency as a candidate from the "Aunt Esther Party". |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Feb 23 10:21:21 2020, in response to Re: Feel the Bern, posted by ClearAspect on Sun Feb 23 09:15:55 2020. Are you ever going to answer my question, RB1? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Feb 23 10:27:18 2020, in response to Re: Feel the Bern, posted by ClearAspect on Sun Feb 23 08:01:01 2020. Why are you moving the goal posts again, RB1? It's the scummy democrats who have corrupted the higher education system. It's the scummy democrats who have convinced 2 generations of youth that they MUST go to college to specialize in courses of study where there is no market for the skills they are taught. It is also the scummy democrats that put the government into the business of financing of useless college educations only to wrap another tentacle of government poser around the throats of an unsuspecting public. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Feb 23 10:28:56 2020, in response to Re: Feel the Bern, posted by Train Dude on Sun Feb 23 10:21:21 2020. Hmm? You mean how Trump was a registered democrat from 2001-2009? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Feb 23 10:34:18 2020, in response to Re: Feel the Bern, posted by ClearAspect on Sun Feb 23 10:28:56 2020. No, although I was a registered democrat from 1969 until 1980 when I switched to Republican. Bernie is only a democrat when he needs to run for office. Hardly the same as our current president. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Feb 23 10:34:46 2020, in response to Re: Feel the Bern, posted by Train Dude on Sun Feb 23 10:27:18 2020. Democrats convinced 2 generations? Yeah youre full of shit.Next time make it so your generation doesnt require ridiculous shit because people like you were worried about smarter more talented people taking your jobs |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Feb 23 10:37:43 2020, in response to Re: Feel the Bern, posted by Train Dude on Sun Feb 23 10:34:18 2020. So?Ill vote for him just because fuck you. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Feb 23 10:50:10 2020, in response to Re: Feel the Bern, posted by ClearAspect on Sun Feb 23 10:34:46 2020. I'm full of shit? Is that the best argument you can muster? Not very persuasive. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Feb 23 10:53:55 2020, in response to Re: Feel the Bern, posted by ClearAspect on Sun Feb 23 10:37:43 2020. My friend, you have some severe emotional issues that really should be looked into! The idea that you would vote for a candidate against your own best interest and the interests of your way of life just to "fuck" a person whom you've never met, is indicative a some severe psychological impairment. Seek help, little buddy. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Feb 23 10:56:11 2020, in response to Re: Feel the Bern, posted by AlM on Sun Feb 23 08:46:31 2020. I’m sick of the right wing “you can emigrate anywhere” fallacy. It’s like they’re stuck in the 19th Century. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Feb 23 10:56:32 2020, in response to Re: Feel the Bern, posted by Train Dude on Sun Feb 23 10:53:55 2020. Says the one who stalks people. |
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