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Re: Dems win in VA

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Nov 7 20:34:58 2019, in response to Re: Dems win in VA, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Nov 7 20:04:02 2019.

Such as? Don’t remember any “first black” thread.

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Re: Dems win in VA

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Nov 7 20:48:02 2019, in response to Re: Dems win in VA, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Nov 7 20:34:58 2019.

Oh please

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Re: Dems win in VA

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Nov 7 21:00:55 2019, in response to Re: Dems win in VA, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Nov 7 20:48:02 2019.

Exactly.

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Re: Dems win in VA

Posted by orange blossom special on Fri Nov 8 10:20:39 2019, in response to Re: Dems win in VA, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Nov 7 21:00:55 2019.

There's that one I posted 2 days ago. But I see the senility is setting in.

Tell me, did this blackface governor you like also yell out crazy anti-semitic conspiracy theories like the due in Florida did? I have a hard time believing that someone who does a The View style blackface wouldn't do that too.

Nice party you got there.

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Dems win in VA: Northam declares “This is a blue state”; pushes gun control, healthcare, min. wage…

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Nov 8 14:18:18 2019, in response to Dems win in VA, posted by WayneJay on Wed Nov 6 09:12:27 2019.

Bye-bye Virginia.

Richmond Times-Dispatch

‘This is a blue state’: Northam outlines priorities in Cabinet meeting after Democrats win control

By Mel Leonor
Nov. 6, 2019
In declaring Virginia a “blue state,” Gov. Ralph Northam vowed Wednesday to move ahead on liberal issues he said have long been stalled by Republican control of the statehouse.

Inside a room on the upper floors of the Capitol, Northam held an open Cabinet meeting that featured talk of “a new landscape” full of “great opportunity” for the administration’s ideals.

Surrounded by his top officials, Northam vowed to move forward on the gun control measures he pitched to lawmakers after the May 31 mass shooting in Virginia Beach. He talked about decriminalizing marijuana and sanctioning no-excuse absentee voting.

He backed an increase to the state’s minimum wage and an end to gerrymandering of political boundaries. He pitched plans for a new state-based health insurance marketplace to boost the number of insured Virginians. He proclaimed the expansion of early childhood education a top priority, along with battling climate change.

The list went on.

“This is a blue state. I declared that last night,” Northam said, adding that the “blue wave” that swept Virginia in 2017, when Democrats swept the top three statewide offices and gained 15 House seats, “was still out there” Tuesday night.

New Democratic majorities in the House and Senate will come at a critical time for Northam, who is retooling his signature budget and legislative package to take advantage of his party’s newfound power.

The two-year spending plan for July 1, 2020, to June 30, 2022, that Northam is expected to present to the General Assembly’s money committees on Dec. 17 is the only budget that he will build and roll out during his four-year term.

Worker protections

On Wednesday, Northam repeatedly promoted Virginia’s designation as the “No. 1 state to do business,” bestowed upon the state by CNBC.

“While we are the No. 1 state in the country in which to do business, I want to do everything that I can to support our workers as well,” Northam said.

Northam signaled boosting workforce training as a key way to help workers. Asked about more contentious proposals promoted by progressive Democrats, Northam appeared split.

Northam threw his weight behind an increase to the minimum wage, which right now sits at $7.25 an hour. Past efforts on the minimum wage, he said, have “fallen on deaf ears.”

“All of us could hopefully agree that there is no way you could support yourself or your family on $7.25,” Northam said. “To what level, or how fast we get there, I can’t tell you. But we’re certainly open, and I’ll support raising the minimum wage.”

Asked about a repeal of the state’s “right-to-work” law, which prohibits private sector unions from forcibly collecting dues, Northam refused to engage with “a hypothetical question.”

“I deal with what is put on my desk,” he said.

While appetite for repealing the law is not pervasive among Democrats, more progressive senior and incoming members support a repeal or have said they would consider one.

“If something like that gets to my desk, I’ll certainly look at it.”

Gun control

Eight bills backed by Northam and introduced by Democrats during a July 9 special session on gun control will be at the top of the administration’s legislative to-do list.

Northam proposed measures calling for universal background checks, a ban on assault weapons to include suppressors and bump stocks, a ban on high-capacity magazines, and to restore a state law, repealed in 2012, to restrict handgun purchases to one a month.

Northam also proposed legislation that would set tougher penalties for leaving a loaded gun near a child, that would allow for “extreme risk” protective orders to remove guns from people deemed a risk to themselves or others, and that would require people to report stolen or lost guns within 24 hours.

Northam is also pushing for legislation to allow localities to regulate firearms within their jurisdictions — including banning them in government buildings.

The state’s crime commission is expected to take up the issue this coming Tuesday, but it’s unclear whether the commission’s staff has finished studying the proposals, or whether the commission will make formal recommendations.

On Nov. 18, the current, GOP-controlled General Assembly is scheduled to reconvene to take up Northam’s proposals.

“We welcome their support, but regardless, it will be a new day,” said Brian Moran, Virginia’s secretary of public safety and homeland security.

Northam added: “I suspect most of the work will be done in January,” after the new General Assembly is sworn in.

Health care

Secretary of Health and Human Resources Daniel Carey said his office was working on a proposal that would bring a state-based health insurance marketplace to Virginia. The marketplace would allow Virginians to compare and enroll in a health care plan through a state-run website that pools in available plans. Right now, Virginians not covered by their workplace can enroll through the federal government’s marketplace.

Some states that rolled out their own marketplaces, many of which were controlled by Democrats, ran into technological roadblocks that forced them to return to the federal marketplace. But an April report by the National Academy for State Health Policy showed that state-based exchanges enrolled more people and offered lower health care costs than the federal marketplace.

Northam said the model would give the state “a lot more control and would save the commonwealth a lot of money.”

Carey also talked about maternal health and said that in the coming weeks, his office would release a five-year plan aimed at improving maternal mortality. Northam directed state officials earlier this year to study racial disparities in maternal mortality in Virginia that result in more black and Hispanic women dying during or after childbirth, compared with white women.

“We want to make sure that plan is rooted in the communities we want to serve,” Carey said.

Education

Northam reiterated Wednesday that expanding access to preschool in Virginia will be a budget priority moving forward. In referring to a “top to bottom review” of the state’s base budget, Northam cited the need for funding for early childhood education.

“I think we can all agree that if we can provide pre-K, early childhood education to all children across Virginia, it will really give them a good start,” Northam said.

Virginia Secretary of Education Atif Qarni also said his office was working on adjusting staffing ratios for support positions within schools.

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Re: Dems win in VA: Northam declares “This is a blue state”; pushes gun control, healthcare, min. wage…

Posted by cortelyounext on Fri Nov 8 15:13:24 2019, in response to Dems win in VA: Northam declares “This is a blue state”; pushes gun control, healthcare, min. wage…, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Nov 8 14:18:18 2019.

Said individual, hereafter referred to as dude for purposes of brevity, needs to pick and choose his zir battles. Like the Bloody Angle at Spotsylvania Court House and Marye's Heights at Fredericksburg, dude needs to understand the practical reality of fighting on a Virginia battlefield.

Who wishes to fight must first count the cost.

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Re: Dems win in VA: Northam declares “This is a blue state”; pushes gun control, healthcare, min. wage…

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 8 15:49:39 2019, in response to Dems win in VA: Northam declares “This is a blue state”; pushes gun control, healthcare, min. wage…, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Nov 8 14:18:18 2019.

Good!

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Re: Dems win in VA: Northam declares “This is a blue state”; pushes gun control, healthcare, min. wage…

Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Nov 8 15:51:18 2019, in response to Dems win in VA: Northam declares “This is a blue state”; pushes gun control, healthcare, min. wage…, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Nov 8 14:18:18 2019.

it bothers me that VA is blue.

I laugh at Dems who are said to hate racism, yet the Northam revelation only makes the state more blue.

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Re: Dems win in VA: Northam declares “This is a blue state”; pushes gun control, healthcare, min. wage…

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 8 16:04:07 2019, in response to Re: Dems win in VA: Northam declares “This is a blue state”; pushes gun control, healthcare, min. wage…, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Nov 8 15:51:18 2019.

Because it turns out that the Twitter SJW brigade doesn’t represent voters.

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Re: Dems win in VA: Northam declares “This is a blue state”; pushes gun control, healthcare, min. wage…

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Nov 8 16:05:49 2019, in response to Re: Dems win in VA: Northam declares “This is a blue state”; pushes gun control, healthcare, min. wage…, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 8 15:49:39 2019.

They will be out quick. When voters see what they do, out they go.

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Re: Dems win in VA: Northam declares “This is a blue state”; pushes gun control, healthcare, min. wage…

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 8 16:11:49 2019, in response to Re: Dems win in VA: Northam declares “This is a blue state”; pushes gun control, healthcare, min. wage…, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Nov 8 16:05:49 2019.

The voters actually want this.

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Re: Dems win in VA: Northam declares “This is a blue state”; pushes gun control, healthcare, min. wage…

Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Nov 8 16:34:30 2019, in response to Re: Dems win in VA: Northam declares “This is a blue state”; pushes gun control, healthcare, min. wage…, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 8 16:04:07 2019.

people in VA sure vote like twitter SJW's.

I'd list the one's who post here.

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Re: Dems win in VA: Northam declares “This is a blue state”; pushes gun control, healthcare, min. wage…

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 8 16:45:44 2019, in response to Re: Dems win in VA: Northam declares “This is a blue state”; pushes gun control, healthcare, min. wage…, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Nov 8 16:34:30 2019.

No, they don’t. Otherwise they’d oppose Northam.

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Re: Dems win in VA: Northam declares “This is a blue state”; pushes gun control, healthcare, min. wage…

Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Nov 8 17:01:45 2019, in response to Re: Dems win in VA: Northam declares “This is a blue state”; pushes gun control, healthcare, min. wage…, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 8 16:45:44 2019.

Leftists are emotional, not rational.

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Re: Dems win in VA: Northam declares “This is a blue state”; pushes gun control, healthcare, min. wage…

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 8 17:04:01 2019, in response to Re: Dems win in VA: Northam declares “This is a blue state”; pushes gun control, healthcare, min. wage…, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Nov 8 17:01:45 2019.

FALSE!

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Re: Dems win in VA: Northam declares “This is a blue state”; pushes gun control, healthcare, min. wage…

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Nov 8 17:30:35 2019, in response to Re: Dems win in VA: Northam declares “This is a blue state”; pushes gun control, healthcare, min. wage…, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 8 16:11:49 2019.

Lol. Ok

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Re: Dems win in VA: Northam declares “This is a blue state”; pushes gun control, healthcare, min. wage…

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Nov 8 20:20:45 2019, in response to Re: Dems win in VA: Northam declares “This is a blue state”; pushes gun control, healthcare, min. wage…, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 8 17:04:01 2019.

No, he's right

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Re: Dems win in VA: Northam declares “This is a blue state”; pushes gun control, healthcare, min. wage…

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 8 20:22:26 2019, in response to Re: Dems win in VA: Northam declares “This is a blue state”; pushes gun control, healthcare, min. wage…, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Nov 8 20:20:45 2019.

Sure, Mr. Centrist.

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Re: Dems win in VA: Northam declares “This is a blue state”; pushes gun control, healthcare, min. wage…

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Nov 8 20:23:46 2019, in response to Re: Dems win in VA: Northam declares “This is a blue state”; pushes gun control, healthcare, min. wage…, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 8 16:11:49 2019.

If they get as out of control as new York Democrats, they'll be out in one cycle.

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Re: Dems win in VA: Northam declares “This is a blue state”; pushes gun control, healthcare, min. wage…

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Nov 8 21:04:35 2019, in response to Re: Dems win in VA: Northam declares “This is a blue state”; pushes gun control, healthcare, min. wage…, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 8 20:22:26 2019.

Not any more.

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Re: Dems win in VA: Northam declares “This is a blue state”; pushes gun control, healthcare, min. wage…

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 8 21:36:40 2019, in response to Re: Dems win in VA: Northam declares “This is a blue state”; pushes gun control, healthcare, min. wage…, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Nov 8 20:23:46 2019.

LOL!

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Re: Dems win in VA: Northam declares “This is a blue state”; pushes gun control, healthcare, min. wage…

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Nov 8 23:25:31 2019, in response to Re: Dems win in VA: Northam declares “This is a blue state”; pushes gun control, healthcare, min. wage…, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Nov 8 21:04:35 2019.

That's becoming correct.
As part of the Moral Foundations Theory.

The Cliff's notes - the theory is based on 5 (or 6) principles: Care, Fairness, Loyalty, Authority, Sanctity, (and liberty).

Relevant passage, emphasis mine:
Researchers have found that people's sensitivities to the five/six moral foundations correlate with their political ideologies. Using the Moral Foundations Questionnaire, Haidt and Graham found that libertarians are most sensitive to the proposed Liberty foundation, liberals are most sensitive to the Care and Fairness foundations, while conservatives are equally sensitive to all five/six foundations.

Care, Fairness, and Sanctity are lead more by emotion, while Loyalty and Authority are lead more by rationality. By authority they mean something like - a lawyer is an authority on legal matters, a doctor is an authority on medical matters, an economist is an authority on economic matters, while an actor or musician is not typically an authority on any of those topics.

I would opine that stating liberals are more emotional and conservatives are more rational is a fair take.

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Re: Dems win in VA: Northam declares “This is a blue state”; pushes gun control, healthcare, min. wage…

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 9 00:33:41 2019, in response to Re: Dems win in VA: Northam declares “This is a blue state”; pushes gun control, healthcare, min. wage…, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Nov 8 23:25:31 2019.

In your simplified definition of authority, you’re ignoring that the theory also includes deference to tradition and leadership. In other words how common people define “authority.” Following a leader and being loyal to him just because it’s always been done that way is completely irrational.

And I subscribe to the moral foundations theory. I dismiss authority and loyalty, for the most part (not completely, I offer loyalty and submission to whoever earns it). Witness my disdain for people who claim that the president ought to be a “leader.”

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Re: Dems win in VA: Northam declares “This is a blue state”; pushes gun control, healthcare, min. wage…

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Nov 9 01:28:39 2019, in response to Re: Dems win in VA: Northam declares “This is a blue state”; pushes gun control, healthcare, min. wage…, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 9 00:33:41 2019.

The full line of authority is: Authority or respect: submitting to tradition and legitimate authority; opposite of subversion

Nuance of course being that respect is earned. Leadership is not mentioned (I'd put that more under loyalty), I would say "legitimate authority" is the examples I gave. Submitting to tradition is pretty much the textbook definition of conservative, though in many cases it's the wise approach ("If it ain't broke, don't fix it" or the Chesterton's Fence approach to reform).

As for loyalty, the opposite stance is betrayal. A common trope is "the left eats its own" which (even beyond cancel culture) has been true politically: see supporters of far left progressives (the squad, Sanders) vs the establishment / moderate left (Pelosi, Biden). There was "Bernie or Bust," and Cenk Uygur's statement when forming the Justice Democrats that they were going to "destroy the party from the inside". Right now impeachment is unifying them and has the potential to split the Republicans, which makes it a good strategic move, but before this there was much infighting.

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Re: Dems win in VA: Northam declares “This is a blue state”; pushes gun control, healthcare, min. wage…

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 9 09:07:07 2019, in response to Re: Dems win in VA: Northam declares “This is a blue state”; pushes gun control, healthcare, min. wage…, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Nov 9 01:28:39 2019.

Pelosi and Biden are not moderates.

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Re: Dems win in VA: Northam declares “This is a blue state”; pushes gun control, healthcare, min. wage…

Posted by bingbong on Sat Nov 9 13:13:41 2019, in response to Re: Dems win in VA: Northam declares “This is a blue state”; pushes gun control, healthcare, min. wage…, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 9 09:07:07 2019.

The queen of England is to the left of you.

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Re: Dems win in VA: Northam declares “This is a blue state”; pushes gun control, healthcare, min. wage…

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 9 14:19:19 2019, in response to Re: Dems win in VA: Northam declares “This is a blue state”; pushes gun control, healthcare, min. wage…, posted by bingbong on Sat Nov 9 13:13:41 2019.

Mohammed bin Salman is to the left of him.

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Re: Dems win in VA: Northam declares “This is a blue state”; pushes gun control, healthcare, min. wage…

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Nov 9 16:00:22 2019, in response to Re: Dems win in VA: Northam declares “This is a blue state”; pushes gun control, healthcare, min. wage…, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 9 09:07:07 2019.

Not by a long shot. Sadly, with the state of the Democrats right now, pelosi almost looks like a moderate, that's how bad it's become

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Re: Dems win in VA: Northam declares “This is a blue state”; pushes gun control, healthcare, min. wage…

Posted by cortelyounext on Sat Nov 9 16:31:09 2019, in response to Re: Dems win in VA: Northam declares “This is a blue state”; pushes gun control, healthcare, min. wage…, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Nov 9 16:00:22 2019.

Text corrected. Not a problem.

Not by a long shot. Sadly, with the state of the Democrats right now, Pelosi almost looks like a moderate, that's how bad it's become.

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Re: Dems win in VA

Posted by Train Dude on Mon Nov 11 08:28:01 2019, in response to Dems win in VA, posted by WayneJay on Wed Nov 6 09:12:27 2019.

Alas while we focus on the Democratic taking both houses as well as the governorship, the truth of what a slime bucket government Virginia now has.

Let's look at state senator Jim Morrissey. Here is what they elected in Virginia:

While in his 50s had sex with a 15 year old.
Disbarred lawyer
Arrested for a fist fight in court

So much more and yet he was a democratic candidate for Senate.
Totally sickening. They might as well make bill Clinton the governor.

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Re: Dems win in VA

Posted by ClearAspect on Mon Nov 11 09:35:36 2019, in response to Re: Dems win in VA, posted by orange blossom special on Fri Nov 8 10:20:39 2019.

You mean like the Republican party and conservatives electing a guy who pushed a conspiracy theory that our former president was a Muslim and not an American citizen?

The same party that thought that our former president was going to initial martial law during military training exercises?

Shall I go on OBS

I love how you and your fellow conservatives try their damnest but

Those in glass houses shouldnt throw bricks.

In other words shut your mouth

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Re: Dems win in VA

Posted by Train Dude on Mon Nov 11 11:55:50 2019, in response to Re: Dems win in VA, posted by ClearAspect on Mon Nov 11 09:35:36 2019.

No, why don't you talk about State Senator elect Jim Morrissey, the disbarred lawyer convicted of assault and having sex with a 15 year old. Let's talk about how a guy like that wins in viginia. Clearly the voters there have the ethics of bingbong.

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Re: Dems win in VA

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 11 12:17:04 2019, in response to Re: Dems win in VA, posted by Train Dude on Mon Nov 11 11:55:50 2019.

Why should anyone give a fuck about State Senator Scumbag? Is he the Democratic nominee for President?

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Re: Dems win in VA

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Nov 11 14:07:35 2019, in response to Re: Dems win in VA, posted by ClearAspect on Mon Nov 11 09:35:36 2019.

It bothers me that the Dems did so well in VA.

I know a female, vegan, university professor who lives there.

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Re: Dems win in VA

Posted by Train Dude on Mon Nov 11 14:41:11 2019, in response to Re: Dems win in VA, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 11 12:17:04 2019.

LoL, it's indicitive of the morals and ethics of the democrat voters. I can understand that you'd not want to discuss it.

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Re: Dems win in VA

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 11 16:29:57 2019, in response to Re: Dems win in VA, posted by Train Dude on Mon Nov 11 14:41:11 2019.

No, it’s only about the morals and ethics of the voters in that district.

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