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Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jun 11 04:04:52 2019

Im just curious.....Im not trying to be stupid here....
But why is it okay to advertise housing for one type of person, but the reverse would not be allowed or would be attacked?

For example, the article says, that "anyone can come". Okay ,that's fine, but what if a project advertised that it is a "Heterosexual" Senior development, although anyone can come?

I really don't get it. (And no, I have no problem with the project).

https://www.newsday.com/long-island/suffolk/lgbt-affordable-housing-stonewall-seniors-1.32224649

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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 11 04:14:05 2019, in response to Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jun 11 04:04:52 2019.

Because every senior housing building or development is safe and supportive of heterosexual tenants.

LGBTQ seniors aren't always welcomed into "mainstream" senior housing, especially if said senior citizen is transgender. I actually know LGBTQ seniors who were refused senior housing because other tenants objected to having gay neighbors.

Every senior housing facility is "heterosexual" by default, like so many other things in our society.

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Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex

Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Jun 11 04:15:11 2019, in response to Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jun 11 04:04:52 2019.

According to the county executive, "it would promote inclusivity" by excluding 90% of the citizens of Suffolk county. Now that makes sense in an Orwellian soer of way.

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Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jun 11 04:17:22 2019, in response to Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 11 04:14:05 2019.

It's still reverse discrimination, and one sided.

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Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jun 11 04:19:20 2019, in response to Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Jun 11 04:15:11 2019.

It promotes exclusion INSTEAD of inclusion.
It makes people MORE separated. It does the exact opposite of everything groups have actually been working for. What's next, the gay car on the train? And I am not trying to be a dick, people really should be thinking about where they are going with this.

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Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 11 04:24:51 2019, in response to Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jun 11 04:17:22 2019.

You will never get it.

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Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 11 04:25:08 2019, in response to Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jun 11 04:19:20 2019.

TNHIW

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Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex

Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Jun 11 04:29:27 2019, in response to Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jun 11 04:19:20 2019.

Exactly but that's political "double speak" for you.

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Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 11 04:50:16 2019, in response to Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 11 04:24:51 2019.

The problem is that if straights donít want to live in senior homes with gays, the solution isnít to perpetuate this sort of discrimination by building homes for gays.

The civil rights movement didnít seek to mitigate segregation by building high quality schools for African Americans. African Americans purposefully attended white schools even when they were subjected to violence.

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Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 11 05:03:24 2019, in response to Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 11 04:50:16 2019.

The issue is safety for the LGBTQ seniors, as well as access to a supportive environment, just like straight seniors normally expect.

That isn't always so for LGBTQ seniors in ordinary housing. There have been cases where senior LGBTQ couples have been denied the ability to share a unit together, something almost always afforded straight couples. There have been cases where senior housing staff and tenants have objected to the presence of LGBTQ people living in such housing facilities. There have been incidents of violence against LGBTQ seniors by straight tenants.

Again, heterosexual senior citizens wouldn't ever have to think twice about any of these things before seeking housing. Elderly LGBTQ people MUST.

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Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 11 05:06:07 2019, in response to Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 11 04:50:16 2019.

Oh, and Black people most certainly DID build their own high quality schools when faced with white violence.

Google "HBCU".

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Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 11 06:02:22 2019, in response to Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 11 05:06:07 2019.

All of which were founded before 1955.

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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 11 06:03:10 2019, in response to Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 11 05:03:24 2019.

LGBTQ seniors should be accommodated in the same homes as everyone else.

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Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 11 06:06:38 2019, in response to Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 11 06:02:22 2019.

And? Before 1955, many universities, especially in the South, had long-standing policies of not admitting non-white students, and they sometimes defended those policies by force.

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Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 11 06:07:07 2019, in response to Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 11 06:03:10 2019.

Yes, they should.

We're not there yet.

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Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 11 06:14:04 2019, in response to Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 11 06:06:38 2019.

But civil rights activists fought to put a stop to that! Why should you want to stay in the "bad old days?"

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Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex

Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Jun 11 06:36:23 2019, in response to Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 11 06:14:04 2019.

County Executive Steve Bellom and certain segments of our society refuse to acknowledge that separate but equal is 65 years in our rear view mirror .

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Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex

Posted by Mtk52983 on Tue Jun 11 07:05:21 2019, in response to Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 11 06:07:07 2019.

So the solution is to discriminate on thur basis of sexual orientation? The only way to stop discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation is to stop discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation.

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Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 11 07:30:49 2019, in response to Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex, posted by Mtk52983 on Tue Jun 11 07:05:21 2019.

You guys are missing the point.

It's not "discrimination", it's providing a safe, supportive space for people who often aren't welcome in mainstream senior housing.

What part of that is so difficult to understand?

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Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 11 07:53:10 2019, in response to Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 11 07:30:49 2019.

Itís not discrimination, itís segregation.

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Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 11 08:11:21 2019, in response to Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 11 07:53:10 2019.

Made necessary by whom, again?

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Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 11 08:20:53 2019, in response to Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 11 08:11:21 2019.

So what? They way to fight against that is to push MORE integration. Not less.

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Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 11 09:44:14 2019, in response to Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 11 04:14:05 2019.

Wow, you sure play up that victim card to the hilt! The big bad world is out to get the gays and the trannies! That's not how it works. I can't believe that you are actually trying to make excuses to justify that illegal, segregated housing.

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Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 11 09:44:57 2019, in response to Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 11 09:44:14 2019.

#Gaslighting

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Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 11 09:45:18 2019, in response to Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 11 04:24:51 2019.

Then with your logic, anytime white people want to live together, away from those troubling minorities that cause trouble and mayhem wherever they go, that's okay?

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Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 11 09:50:13 2019, in response to Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 11 09:45:18 2019.

White flight had nothing to do with an existential threat to white people's safety. That's not the case with LGBTQ seniors.

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Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 11 10:09:14 2019, in response to Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 11 09:44:14 2019.

Gay bashing is a real thing and still happens.

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Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 11 10:10:46 2019, in response to Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 11 09:50:13 2019.

The first black students who went to white schools did face an existential threat to their safety. They did it anyway, because it was the right thing to do.

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Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 11 10:20:14 2019, in response to Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 11 10:10:46 2019.

I agree.

HBCUs arose, however, because going to school shouldn't be a life safety issue.

I will be the first one to applaud and cheer on the day LGBTQ people are able to be who they are without fearing for life and limb.

Think about this: the saddest part of Pride is STILL the train ride home.
Everybody removes their beads, stickers, and Pride-themed apparel, so they don't get fucking jumped at their home stations.

When that is no longer necessary, I will then say special senior homes for LGBTQ elders aren't, either.

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Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 11 10:25:05 2019, in response to Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 11 10:20:14 2019.

All HBCUs predate Brown vs. Board of Education. HBCUs were founded because without them, African Americans would have almost no opportunity for education at all.

Everybody removes their beads, stickers, and Pride-themed apparel, so they don't get fucking jumped at their home stations.

I hope that one day when this happens, the perpetrators get shot and killed. I hope that happens every time.

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Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex

Posted by bingbong on Tue Jun 11 11:40:37 2019, in response to Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 11 08:20:53 2019.

Given the LGBTQ comm7 itís is about 10% of the population, such would be inevitable. The thing is finding tolerant hetero people who will coexist peacefully. Sadly, this isn't as easy as it actually should be (I for one could care less about that, just understand and respect my personal hetero lifestyle, I just want peaceful neighbors that would support me as I would them as warranted). Until that day comes, a place that bills itself as LGBTQ friendly and supportive is needed. Just as long as they don't discriminate or evict on the basis of such.

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Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 11 12:42:33 2019, in response to Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 11 04:25:08 2019.

YIIHIW

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Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 11 12:45:38 2019, in response to Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 11 05:03:24 2019.

You are STILL defending segregation!! I'm gonna call you Jay Crow

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Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 11 12:46:03 2019, in response to Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 11 06:07:07 2019.

🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

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Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 11 12:47:21 2019, in response to Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 11 08:11:21 2019.

Jay Crow!

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Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 11 12:48:22 2019, in response to Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex, posted by bingbong on Tue Jun 11 11:40:37 2019.

Remember, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

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Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 11 12:49:15 2019, in response to Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 11 06:14:04 2019.

Exactly!

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Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 11 12:56:21 2019, in response to Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 11 09:44:57 2019.

#youknowI'mright

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Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 11 12:56:47 2019, in response to Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 11 10:09:14 2019.

Yes, but that isn't what this is about.

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Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 11 12:57:29 2019, in response to Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 11 09:50:13 2019.

Of COURSE it does! That's why the whites move!

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Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 11 12:59:37 2019, in response to Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 11 10:25:05 2019.

Jay Crow, you can't justify ONE type of segregation without defending ALL segregation

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Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 11 13:00:33 2019, in response to Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 11 12:56:21 2019.

Are poundtags allowed to have apostrophes?

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Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 11 13:08:48 2019, in response to Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 11 12:45:38 2019.

Stop gaslighting.

Did you ever worry that you would be beaten or killed for holding your girlfriend or wife's hand in public?

InB4 "I don't hold hands in public"

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Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 11 13:12:18 2019, in response to Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 11 12:56:21 2019.

#IKnowNoSuchThing

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Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex

Posted by Allan on Tue Jun 11 13:22:59 2019, in response to Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jun 11 04:19:20 2019.

You must have missed this from the article:

"While the complex will be LGBT-friendly, it will be open to all who meet age and income requirements and will abide by federal fair housing guidelines, he said."

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Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 11 13:47:22 2019, in response to Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 11 13:08:48 2019.

What the hell does "INB4" even mean? It's like a 14 year old wrote it.

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Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 11 13:51:03 2019, in response to Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 11 13:00:33 2019.

I don't know.

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Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 11 13:51:29 2019, in response to Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 11 13:12:18 2019.

#pw3nt

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Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Jun 11 15:36:03 2019, in response to Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 11 04:50:16 2019.

That's exactly my point.

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Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Jun 11 15:38:25 2019, in response to Re: Bay Shore First Gay/Lesbian Affordable Senior Housing Complex, posted by Allan on Tue Jun 11 13:22:59 2019.

Who missed that? I even mentioned it in the post.. it doesn't change that it's segregation

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