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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Apr 20 02:19:06 2019 Recently, Trump began "cracking down" on those immigrants seeking asylum in the United States. He even dangled a pardon in front of his CBP commissioner, should he be jailed for refusing to admit asylum seekers into the country.The actual law governing political asylum in the United States is fairly liberal: 8 U.S. Code 1158. "(a) Authority to apply for asylum (1) In general Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien’s status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this section or, where applicable, section 1225(b) of this title." So why is Trump flouting its provisions, when a prerequisite for asylum is being physically present in the US? |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Sat Apr 20 04:16:35 2019, in response to How Trump May Be Violating Federal Law, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Apr 20 02:19:06 2019. Key is “may apply for asylum.” That does not mean they have to be granted asylum and the United States is well within its rights to limit the granting of asylum. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Apr 20 04:47:48 2019, in response to How Trump May Be Violating Federal Law, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Apr 20 02:19:06 2019. Why do you love people that are hurting your people worse than any group? |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Apr 20 04:48:18 2019, in response to How Trump May Be Violating Federal Law, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Apr 20 02:19:06 2019. Nowhere does it say they're automatically granted this. You guys really need to read properly. And you guys are going to lose again because doesn't nitpick at every single aspect of everything. It's gotten old |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Apr 20 04:49:44 2019, in response to Re: How Trump May Be Violating Federal Law, posted by mtk52983 on Sat Apr 20 04:16:35 2019. They’re entitled to apply and Trump is trying to block that. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Apr 20 04:51:27 2019, in response to Re: How Trump May Be Violating Federal Law, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Apr 20 04:48:18 2019. You really need to learn how to read. MTK got it wrong and you just paraphrased his post and got it wrong too.Nobody is saying that anybody is entitled to asylum but they are entitled to enter the United States to apply |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Apr 20 05:31:23 2019, in response to Re: How Trump May Be Violating Federal Law, posted by Fred G on Sat Apr 20 04:51:27 2019. they are entitled to enter the United States to applyChris obviously has it totally wrong but I'm not sure you have it completely right either. They are entitled to apply if they are within the United States. I am not sure they are entitled to enter the United States in order to apply. If they come up to a valid border station, my understanding is that they must be allowed to apply but need not be allowed to enter. I may not have it quite right either, however. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Apr 20 05:42:29 2019, in response to Re: How Trump May Be Violating Federal Law, posted by AlM on Sat Apr 20 05:31:23 2019. Not only are asylum applicants permitted to be in the US, they have up to one year to apply for asylum status once here. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Apr 20 06:00:18 2019, in response to Re: How Trump May Be Violating Federal Law, posted by AlM on Sat Apr 20 05:31:23 2019. We're CLOSED!!! *door slam* |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Apr 20 06:06:35 2019, in response to Re: How Trump May Be Violating Federal Law, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Apr 20 05:42:29 2019. That's if you are in. The question is whether you must be admitted in the first place. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Apr 20 06:07:50 2019, in response to Re: How Trump May Be Violating Federal Law, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Apr 20 06:00:18 2019. You're in jail for contempt of court. *door slam*If Trump wants changes to the law, maybe he should ask Congress for changes to the law. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 20 06:13:18 2019, in response to How Trump May Be Violating Federal Law, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Apr 20 02:19:06 2019. Baloney, lol. Keeping them out does not violate this law. This has been debunked two weeks ago; you're way late to the party. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Apr 20 06:16:55 2019, in response to Re: How Trump May Be Violating Federal Law, posted by AlM on Sat Apr 20 06:07:50 2019. Not gonna happen to the Prexy! |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Mon Apr 22 10:25:59 2019, in response to How Trump May Be Violating Federal Law, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Apr 20 02:19:06 2019. May be a surprise to you that you're also violating slews of Federal Laws too. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Apr 22 10:27:34 2019, in response to Re: How Trump May Be Violating Federal Law, posted by orange blossom special on Mon Apr 22 10:25:59 2019. Really? Which federal laws am I "violating", and how am I "violating" them? |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Apr 22 10:35:16 2019, in response to Re: How Trump May Be Violating Federal Law, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Apr 20 04:47:48 2019. WTF is that supposed to mean ?who is hurting who what ???? |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Apr 22 11:06:58 2019, in response to Re: How Trump May Be Violating Federal Law, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Apr 22 10:35:16 2019. Broken record. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Apr 22 11:10:37 2019, in response to Re: How Trump May Be Violating Federal Law, posted by AlM on Sat Apr 20 06:06:35 2019. The law states that application may be made for asylum once the petitioner is in the US, regardless of the manner in which they arrived, including over the oceans.That strongly suggests that admission for the purpose of seeking asylum cannot be refused. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Apr 22 11:11:41 2019, in response to Re: How Trump May Be Violating Federal Law?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 20 06:13:18 2019. I posted the verbatim text of the applicable statute. How has this been "debunked"? |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Apr 22 11:17:16 2019, in response to Re: How Trump May Be Violating Federal Law, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Apr 22 11:10:37 2019. That strongly suggests that admission for the purpose of seeking asylum cannot be refused.Why? So it says, if you're in the US, you can apply for asylum. That doesn't say we must let you into the US to apply for asylum. Canada, for instance, does not allow that. If you go up to a border station and say I want to apply for asylum, they don't let you in and don't let you apply. But if you sneak over the border and wave down a cop and say I want to apply for asylum, they let you apply. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Apr 22 11:19:54 2019, in response to Re: How Trump May Be Violating Federal Law?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Apr 22 11:11:41 2019. No one here has addressed the authority or lack thereof for keeping people out of the United States. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 22 11:22:14 2019, in response to Re: How Trump May Be Violating Federal Law?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Apr 22 11:11:41 2019. Because the statute does not say that the applicant must be admitted to the United States pending processing of the application. In fact, immigration authorities are permitted to detain such applicant until such time as the application is properly heard. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Apr 22 11:25:07 2019, in response to Re: How Trump May Be Violating Federal Law, posted by AlM on Mon Apr 22 11:17:16 2019. That would be paradoxical, though. A person seeking asylum must be in the US to apply, but can be refused entry for the purpose of applying? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 22 11:27:30 2019, in response to Re: How Trump May Be Violating Federal Law, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Apr 22 11:25:07 2019. A person seeking asylum need not be in the US. They can apply at a port of entry. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Mon Apr 22 11:33:39 2019, in response to Re: How Trump May Be Violating Federal Law, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Apr 22 11:25:07 2019. Based on my reading of 8 U.S.C. §1158 and related statutes there is nothing that prohibits the United States from refusing entry to those who are only seeking entry for purpose of applying for asylum |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Apr 22 11:35:30 2019, in response to Re: How Trump May Be Violating Federal Law, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Apr 22 11:33:39 2019. As I mentioned, that is what Canada does. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Apr 22 11:50:44 2019, in response to Re: How Trump May Be Violating Federal Law, posted by AlM on Mon Apr 22 11:17:16 2019. I don't get that. If you sneak over the border, you have broken the law.So if you go up to a cop (in Canada) and ask for asylum, and the cop knowing that you've broken the law already, since you are already there, they let you apply for asylum being a known lawbreaker? What am I missing? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 22 12:08:32 2019, in response to Re: How Trump May Be Violating Federal Law, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Apr 22 11:50:44 2019. Do you know what asylum is? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Apr 22 12:27:16 2019, in response to Re: How Trump May Be Violating Federal Law, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 22 12:08:32 2019. The place where Bingbong and little Jizzy got their liberal training. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Apr 22 12:30:27 2019, in response to Re: How Trump May Be Violating Federal Law, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Apr 20 04:47:48 2019. how are they hurting our people, they work jobs no one wants, but every American benefits, be it landscaping , farm helps , masonry, roofing, basically no American want , not even our kids , picking produce , being used as slave labor, not getting benefits ??? only people hurting Murica is narrow minded Trumperina's. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Apr 22 12:32:25 2019, in response to Re: How Trump May Be Violating Federal Law, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 22 11:27:30 2019. you must have missed this : https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-asylum/asylum |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Apr 22 13:52:39 2019, in response to Re: How Trump May Be Violating Federal Law, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 22 12:08:32 2019. Umm, I think its this, correct me if I'm wrong... the protection granted by a nation to someone who has left their native country as a political refugee.That said, In the Canadian example previously posted, why do you have to sneak over the border to get asylum but just walking up to the border asking for asylum you'll get turned away? |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Apr 22 13:55:59 2019, in response to How Trump May Be Violating Federal Law, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Apr 20 02:19:06 2019. Give it a REST already!Why don't you concentrate on finding a candidate to beat him next year instead of wasting your time imagining new ways to get rid of him now? You're not going to be able to get rid of him quickly anyway . |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Apr 22 14:01:22 2019, in response to Re: How Trump May Be Violating Federal Law, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Apr 22 13:55:59 2019. People like him are the reason Trump will win again |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 22 14:02:56 2019, in response to Re: How Trump May Be Violating Federal Law, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Apr 22 13:55:59 2019. Why don't you concentrate on finding a candidate to beat him next yearLol, they'd have to find a candidate who would run to the right of Trump, not to the left of Stalin as all of them are. Problem is, that would piss off their donors. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 22 14:04:39 2019, in response to Re: How Trump May Be Violating Federal Law, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Apr 22 14:01:22 2019. Gotta love the "may be" bit. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Apr 22 14:05:41 2019, in response to Re: How Trump May Be Violating Federal Law, posted by Train Dude on Mon Apr 22 12:27:16 2019. 
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Apr 22 14:08:09 2019, in response to Re: How Trump May Be Violating Federal Law, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Apr 22 12:30:27 2019. Before the illegals came, teenagers did all of that. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 22 14:10:21 2019, in response to Re: How Trump May Be Violating Federal Law, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Apr 22 13:52:39 2019. I don't know, nor care about Canada.In America, you can walk up to the border at an official crossing and request asylum and your application is honored (may be eventually rejected anyway). You can also apply if you've already crossed the border, legally or otherwise. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Apr 22 14:13:56 2019, in response to Re: How Trump May Be Violating Federal Law, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Apr 22 14:08:09 2019. Now they just play video games and live in the basement when they get older. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 22 14:22:45 2019, in response to Re: How Trump May Be Violating Federal Law, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Apr 22 14:13:56 2019. Another Fox Fable. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Apr 22 14:39:25 2019, in response to Re: How Trump May Be Violating Federal Law, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Apr 22 14:08:09 2019. these days Teenagers won't get off their ass or smartphone so thank Illegals for filling the gap. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 22 14:45:28 2019, in response to Re: How Trump May Be Violating Federal Law, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Apr 22 14:39:25 2019. How many teenagers do you know who worked as roofers or masons back in the day? |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Apr 22 15:14:01 2019, in response to Re: How Trump May Be Violating Federal Law, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Apr 22 11:10:37 2019. We're full! |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Apr 22 15:15:25 2019, in response to Re: How Trump May Be Violating Federal Law, posted by AlM on Mon Apr 22 11:17:16 2019. That's what all the Hatians are doing. They go upstate and sneak into Quebec, when they demand Asylum and those stupid Canucks give it to them, instead of giving them a one-way ticket back to Haiti. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Apr 22 15:18:23 2019, in response to Re: How Trump May Be Violating Federal Law, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Apr 22 13:55:59 2019. It reminds me of the James Bond movies or the Batman series, where everyone keeps on trying to come up with imagine two ways to kill them, except in the end it never works. If they had just shot Batman and Robin and James Bond in the head, they would be gone. If you just vote Trump out of office, he will be gone! |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Apr 22 15:19:22 2019, in response to Re: How Trump May Be Violating Federal Law, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Apr 22 14:01:22 2019. Yep |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Apr 22 15:20:37 2019, in response to Re: How Trump May Be Violating Federal Law, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Apr 22 14:13:56 2019. And apparently it extends through their 20s and most if their 30s as well. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Apr 22 15:21:17 2019, in response to Re: How Trump May Be Violating Federal Law, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 22 14:22:45 2019. As Kurt Angle says... |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Apr 22 15:21:59 2019, in response to Re: How Trump May Be Violating Federal Law, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 22 14:45:28 2019. Americans did that. |
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