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New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Mar 20 23:13:44 2019

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/03/20/asia/new-zealand-christchurch-gun-ban-intl/index.html

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Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Mar 21 00:20:16 2019, in response to New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Mar 20 23:13:44 2019.

New Zealand, you do you.

What's interesting is four terrorists managed to disarm the citizens of an entire country, pretty impressive.

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Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Mar 21 00:22:40 2019, in response to New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Mar 20 23:13:44 2019.

Booooo!!! Typical knee-jerk reaction, now all of the law-abiding citizens suffer

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Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws

Posted by Fred G on Thu Mar 21 03:17:06 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Mar 21 00:20:16 2019.

They are not disarmed. They can still buy rifles and pistols

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Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws

Posted by 3-9 on Thu Mar 21 05:42:36 2019, in response to New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Mar 20 23:13:44 2019.

Awwww, now the citizens will lose the ability to overthrow their govt. Now they're destined to be a failed Communist state.

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Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws

Posted by bingbong on Thu Mar 21 08:52:50 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by Fred G on Thu Mar 21 03:17:06 2019.

And they actually have a higher percentage of gun owners than in America.

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Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws

Posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 21 09:33:11 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Mar 21 00:22:40 2019.

All ?
You need a automatic machine gun to prevent a robbery ?

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Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws

Posted by chicagomotorman on Thu Mar 21 10:30:04 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Mar 21 00:22:40 2019.

iawtlp

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Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Mar 21 11:00:03 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 21 09:33:11 2019.

Sure, why not?

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Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws

Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Thu Mar 21 11:03:25 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 21 09:33:11 2019.

If it's a home invasion involving several armed criminals you might.

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Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 21 11:03:30 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 21 09:33:11 2019.

Automatic rifle≠machine gun

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Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 21 11:04:18 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Thu Mar 21 11:03:25 2019.

I don’t think burst mode would help there anyway.

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Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws

Posted by 3-9 on Thu Mar 21 11:05:35 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Mar 21 11:00:03 2019.

"Peace through superior firepower." :-)

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Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws

Posted by AlM on Thu Mar 21 11:05:40 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 21 11:03:30 2019.

???

Agreed that semi-automatic rifle ≠ machine gun.



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Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 21 11:08:17 2019, in response to New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Mar 20 23:13:44 2019.

Ain't it funny that a prime minister with the same political beliefs as the shooter uses this as her moment to pounce?

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Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws

Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Thu Mar 21 11:08:48 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 21 11:04:18 2019.

But why do you think that if it's not your home, you need to decide how the owner defends it? More to the point, why is it after every criminal mass shooting, the liberal instinct is to disarm law abiding citizens,?

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Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 21 11:13:21 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Thu Mar 21 11:08:48 2019.

Why are you complaining to me? I’m just pointing out a fact about automatic mode outside of movies.

That said, “assault weapons” bans are bullshit. I’d like to hear a gun grabber define “assault weapon” and explain why they should be banned.

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Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 21 11:15:35 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by AlM on Thu Mar 21 11:05:40 2019.

Although your statement is true, I never said that, so that’s not out there for you to agree with.

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Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws

Posted by AlM on Thu Mar 21 11:16:14 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 21 11:13:21 2019.

I hereby propose, in response to your request, that semi-automatic weapons should be banned.

Canada bans them and has 1/7th the gun murder rate of the US, while having a comparable non-gun murder rate (thus proving that it's not a cultural thing - Canadians are just as murder-inclined as Americans; they just can't implement as effectively).

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Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws

Posted by AlM on Thu Mar 21 11:17:10 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 21 11:15:35 2019.

I inferred it.

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Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws

Posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 21 11:22:48 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by AlM on Thu Mar 21 11:16:14 2019.

They have had some mass shootouts, one in the food court in Eaton's Center in Toronto, then in a Muslim Mosque south of Quebec City, but their carnages are nothing like ours.

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Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 21 11:36:17 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by AlM on Thu Mar 21 11:16:14 2019.

Really? So only single action revolvers are allowed wrt pistols?

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Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws

Posted by AlM on Thu Mar 21 11:45:40 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 21 11:36:17 2019.

I guess it depends how you define semi-automatic. :)

I suspect NZ is going to allow more rapid-fire guns than single action revolvers.

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Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 21 11:49:25 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by AlM on Thu Mar 21 11:45:40 2019.

Unlike "assault rifle," Semi-automatic has a specific definition not subject to debate. A succinct and accurate definition is available in the first sentence of the Wikipedia article about semi-automatic firearm:
A semi-automatic firearm, also called self-loading firearm or autoloading firearm (though fully automatic and selective fire firearms technically are also self-loading), is one that not only fires a bullet each time the trigger is pulled, but also performs all steps necessary to prepare it to discharge again—assuming cartridges remain in the firearm's feed device. Typically, this includes extracting and ejecting the spent cartridge case from the firing chamber, re-cocking the firing mechanism, and loading a new cartridge into the firing chamber. To fire again, the trigger is released and re-pressed.

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Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws

Posted by AlM on Thu Mar 21 11:51:56 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 21 11:49:25 2019.

OK. NZ does not appear to be proposing a ban on all semi-automatic weapons, and I don't believe Canada's ban is that broad either.

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Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws

Posted by AlM on Thu Mar 21 11:59:36 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by AlM on Thu Mar 21 11:51:56 2019.

Looks like NZ is proposing to ban semi-automatic weapons with large magazines.

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Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws

Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Mar 21 12:34:18 2019, in response to New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Mar 20 23:13:44 2019.

Several New Zealanders did not wait for the new law.

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Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Mar 21 16:31:25 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Mar 21 12:34:18 2019.

Because THAT makes sense!🙄🙄

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Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Mar 21 23:15:54 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by AlM on Thu Mar 21 11:59:36 2019.

Considering magazines are detachable/interchangeable, shouldn't they just be banning high capacity magazines like several states have done?

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Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Mar 21 23:18:28 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by 3-9 on Thu Mar 21 05:42:36 2019.

Not all countries with strict gun laws become failed communist states, but all countries that have become failed communist states have strict gun laws...

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Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 21 23:24:52 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Mar 21 23:18:28 2019.

Not all countries with strict gun laws become failed communist states

That's the slippery slope there, though. And if you mean that they don't become failed communist states in particular, that's true; some become failed fascist/national-socialist states instead.

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Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 21 23:26:20 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Mar 21 23:15:54 2019.

What's that done?

Some terrorists choose to run over crowds with trucks. Trucks haven't been banned; that's a bit difficult (of course AOC would ban them for a far different reason).

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Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Mar 22 01:47:21 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Mar 21 00:22:40 2019.

Typical knee-jerk leftist reaction. Also a power grab.

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Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws

Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Fri Mar 22 06:25:47 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Mar 22 01:47:21 2019.

After every criminal mass shooting, the first reaction of the liberal socialist democrats is to take guns away from the law abiding citizens, the ones least likely to commit gun crimes. Funny how the mind of the liberal Socialist democrat misfires.

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Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws

Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Fri Mar 22 06:29:03 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 21 23:26:20 2019.

Ban trucks and terrorists will use high speed ox carts to now down unsuspecting pedestrians. AOC would then propose a ban on oxtail stew.

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Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws

Posted by 3-9 on Fri Mar 22 08:07:44 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Mar 21 23:18:28 2019.

Did czarist Russia, Korea, or the Republic of China have strict gun laws?

Communists had much more than a handful of people backing them when they took power.

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Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws

Posted by 3-9 on Fri Mar 22 08:08:55 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Mar 21 12:34:18 2019.

The guns probably weren't in working condition.

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Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws

Posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 22 09:12:27 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Mar 21 16:31:25 2019.

It does. Worked in Australia, which PM Ardern modeled their plans upon.

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Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Mar 22 09:16:17 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Fri Mar 22 06:25:47 2019.

Oh; it's not a misfire when it's a power grab.

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Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Mar 22 09:34:17 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 22 09:12:27 2019.

All it does is fuck over the law abiding Citizen

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Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws

Posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 22 10:00:51 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Mar 22 09:34:17 2019.

Wrong. It reduces the sheer number of guns whihby default if nothing more, reduces gun crime. And suicides. As the parent of teens, you should be well aware of the danger of having guns in the home(especially unsecured) and suicide risks. A teen's bad day can become a tragedy quickly.

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Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Mar 22 10:15:14 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 22 10:00:51 2019.

My statement still stands true, if Fox law-abiding citizens over. Thank God we live here in United States and because of the second amendment, that will never ever ever ever happen!

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Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws

Posted by AlM on Fri Mar 22 10:22:32 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Mar 22 09:34:17 2019.

I am law-abiding, and my rights are in no way impinged if I am not allowed to own a semi-automatic rifle with a 100-round magazine.

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Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws

Posted by AlM on Fri Mar 22 10:24:20 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Mar 22 10:15:14 2019.

For over 200 years, the Supreme Court has never interpreted the Second Amendment to mean that citizens may possess all types of arms.

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Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws

Posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 22 10:47:12 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by AlM on Fri Mar 22 10:24:20 2019.

That's correct, and they fully expected gun control laws to control access to firearms. The entire po8ntof the second amendment was gett8ng slave holding states to sign on to the Constitution, so they left it open. "Well controlled" should say it all.

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Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 22 10:48:46 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by AlM on Fri Mar 22 10:22:32 2019.

My rights are infringed if I am not allowed to own a semiautomatic rifle.

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Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Mar 22 10:49:25 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 22 10:47:12 2019.

Oh my God, you're not using that Lefty tactic of equating Second Amendment with slaves now are you? It's bad enough you do it with the Electoral College

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Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 22 10:49:34 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Mar 22 09:34:17 2019.

IAWTP

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Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 22 10:51:38 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Mar 22 10:49:25 2019.

Except when it comes to the electoral college, it’s actually true.

I agree with you that the connection between the Second Amendment and slavery is tenuous at best.

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Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 22 10:52:31 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 22 10:47:12 2019.

WABB! IT DOES NOT SAY “WELL CONTROLLED.”

The term is “well organized” and does not mean what you think it means.

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