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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 22 10:54:32 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 22 09:12:27 2019. I agree that gun confiscation works to disarm law-abiding citizens. |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 22 10:55:03 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 22 10:48:46 2019. By what reasoning? How does this cause you quantifiable harm? It's well known that fewer guns reduces gun crime, suicide, and gun accidents. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 22 10:59:01 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 22 10:55:03 2019. It prevents me from owning a semiautomatic firearm! |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 22 11:01:40 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 22 10:51:38 2019. It was the basis for doing that amendment. Slave owners wanted to be free to roust posses to capture runaway slaves. They demanded that these posses be armed, and keeping lethal arms in ,the home exonerated them from having to procure, provide, maintain and store weapons for said posses. |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 22 11:03:04 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Mar 22 10:49:25 2019. The two intrinsically are. |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 22 11:04:20 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 22 10:52:31 2019. Okay, it does say REGULATED. |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 22 11:08:55 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 22 10:54:32 2019. And removes guns from the population which reduce gun crime, including (former?) gun owners, as the chance for having that gun stolen is reduced if the number of guns in a home is zero. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 22 11:11:56 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 22 11:01:40 2019. There is no evidence for your claim. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 22 11:12:55 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 22 11:04:20 2019. Wow. I feel dumb.But yes, regulated doesn’t mean what you think it means. It means regular, like a clock. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Fri Mar 22 11:14:17 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 22 11:08:55 2019. Maybe we should confiscate your car? After all, less cars reduce the chances that your car will be stolen and driven recklessly by a drunk driver. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 22 11:15:09 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 22 11:08:55 2019. And it punishes law abiding citizens because of the crimes of a few.Cars are also extremely dangerous and yet when someone runs over a crowd no one argues that cars should be banned. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Fri Mar 22 11:15:24 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 22 11:11:56 2019. She don't need no stinking evidence. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Mar 22 11:48:38 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by 3-9 on Fri Mar 22 08:07:44 2019. They all had strict gun laws by the time they turned to shit. That's how they were able to maintain power through those times.Mao's Great Leap backward could have resulted in an early end to Chinese communism had any meaningful armed resistance been possible. Taiwan (which still maintains the name Republic of China) would have easily been able to re-establish control. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Mar 22 12:31:13 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by AlM on Fri Mar 22 10:22:32 2019. As an American, they would be. And like myself and other like-minded people always say, whenever they do these gun grabs, it's never the criminal element or the unsteady people that get affected, it's only the law-abiding people that play by the book who wind up getting fucked and you know that's the truth |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Mar 22 12:35:00 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 22 10:55:03 2019. You have to realize that rights cannot get infringed because of an individual's personal views on a subject. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Mar 22 12:35:54 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 22 11:01:40 2019. Did you sit in on the meetings as it was getting drafted up? |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Mar 22 12:37:04 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 22 11:03:04 2019. Thank God you never taught history class! |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Mar 22 12:40:33 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 22 11:08:55 2019. Do you realize that the people that commit crimes with guns are not going to adhere to gun control? They are either hardcore criminals or mud jobs. And yes, it is irresponsible for people to get their firearms burgled from there homes, but you cannot punish the responsible homeowners that keep them safe and secure due to the actions of a few |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Mar 22 12:40:53 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 22 11:08:55 2019. Do you realize that the people that commit crimes with guns are not going to adhere to gun control? They are either hardcore criminals or nut jobs. And yes, it is irresponsible for people to get their firearms burgled from there homes, but you cannot punish the responsible homeowners that keep them safe and secure due to the actions of a few |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Mar 22 12:41:09 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Fri Mar 22 11:14:17 2019. Exactly! |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Fri Mar 22 12:41:47 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Fri Mar 22 06:29:03 2019. AOC has already done that with her COCKAMAMIE ban on Cows! |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 22 12:45:46 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 22 10:59:01 2019. That's not a quantifiable harm. Sorry. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 22 12:48:32 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Mar 22 12:35:54 2019. Huh? There are reports made of the debates, of prior drafts and of the contemponeous writings made by members of Congress.That having been said, they don’t support bingbong’s claim. She should put down the bingBong. |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 22 12:49:34 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 22 11:12:55 2019. No, it means compliance with rules and regulations. In this case,”gun control”. In some cases, it can produce clocklike results. Your confusion is understandable, being obviously denial based. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 22 12:49:52 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 22 12:45:46 2019. Yes it is. My property would be confiscated. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Mar 22 12:50:33 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 22 12:49:52 2019. Yep! |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Mar 22 12:50:48 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 22 12:45:46 2019. You don't get to decide that. Thank God for the Second Amendment! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 22 12:52:35 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 22 12:49:34 2019. LOL!Words change their meaning after 200 years. |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 22 12:54:21 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 22 11:15:09 2019. The only purpose for a gun is to kill.Cars have many many uses, primarily conveyance from point a to point b. They also haul qwap around, instead of having to use one's own back to do so. Saves medical expense for all those badbacks. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Mar 22 13:06:58 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 22 12:48:32 2019. I meant was she there for all of this? |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Mar 22 13:10:26 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 22 12:54:21 2019. Firearms are also used to obtain meat and protection. And just so you know, outside of War, when you fire a gun at somebody, it's to stop the threat, it doesn't necessarily mean to kill them |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 22 13:29:03 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Mar 22 12:35:00 2019. I do. But there has to be quantifiable damages to prompt a change in regulation. Fact is SP didn't demonstrate how not owning a semiautomatic rifle, while other rifles are available to him, causes any actual tangible damage. So banning semiautomatic rifles (by which we mean high speed assault weapons)stands. |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 22 13:30:01 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 22 12:52:35 2019. Not according to strict constructionists, the faves of extreme RWers. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 22 13:34:32 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 22 13:29:03 2019. First, I already own a semiautomatic firearm, and therefore if it were banned, I would suffer damage due to the loss of my property.Second, a semiautomatic firearm provides an advantage over a different kind of action. On an unrelated matter, now you're changing your argument. So you really meant not to ban all semiautomatic firearms, but "assault weapons." Please define assault weapons and explain why their dangerous outweighs their benefit. |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 22 13:35:08 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 22 12:49:52 2019. Doing an assault weapon ban mandates a buyback. Turn in the gun and receive a check. Use those funds to buy a legal lethal weapon if you must. The government can't simply confiscate property without compensation. So they must compensate owners,Iike the did in Australia and will be doing in New Zealand. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 22 13:37:10 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 22 13:30:01 2019. False mischaracterization. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Mar 22 13:37:56 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 22 13:29:03 2019. There does not need to be a change in regulation. |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 22 13:38:09 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Mar 22 13:10:26 2019. Which involves killing. And more often than not,the kill is successful. You can also obtain meat with a spear, dart or bow and arrow.The best means toeliminate the point of war is free and open trade. People who are making m9neydon't want to fight. They want to work and party. Much better uses of one's time, and better for mental health. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 22 13:38:26 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 22 13:35:08 2019. Assuming that any such compensation would be just (and it would have to be per the fifth amendment), this would cost the government billions of dollars. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Mar 22 13:38:45 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 22 13:34:32 2019. *grabs a seat and awaits her response* |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 22 13:40:09 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 22 13:38:09 2019. You can also obtain meat with a spear, dart or bow and arrow.Less efficient and more suffering for the animal. Unfortunately enough people don't agree and preparedness for war is absolutely necessary. |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 22 13:43:13 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 22 13:34:32 2019. Anything that can propel a bullet at high speed, accommodate an Unreasonable number of bullets and be converted readily to a full automatic weapon is an assault weapon. Their only purpose is killing, people in particular.A hunter should be able totake a deer down with one or two shots. Otherwise, they really have no business hunting. Legal weapons like AR-15s are pointless, and even dangerous(damage to forest, potential for stray bullets taking down other h7 terms for example), for hunting. |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 22 13:45:40 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 22 13:40:09 2019. Somehow I doubt you're looking to participate in a war, or you'd be in the army. |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 22 13:46:24 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 22 13:38:26 2019. It is what it is. Probably still run less than trump’s stupid wall. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 22 13:50:23 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 22 13:45:40 2019. I should have joined the armed forces when I had a chance. But if for some reason the government needed to draft people in their mid 30s to fight in a war, I wouldn’t flee the country. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 22 13:57:02 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 22 13:43:13 2019. 1. All guns can propel a bullet at high speed. You’d have to define high speed. Of course, one thing that slows down a bullet is a suppressor (aka silencer), but you probably want those banned.2. Define unreasonable number of bullets and accommodate how? What if the gun takes removable magazines, and such magazine can have a high capacity, but the user does not have any such magazine and has no intention of using one? 3. What sorts of features on a firearm do you believe would make it convertible to fully automatic and how do you believe such a thing could be done? 4. Killing other animals and even people in extreme circumstances is justifiable. 5. What feature of the AR-15 do you believe causes damage to nature that would be unavailable in a different gun? Did you know that even New York does not ban the “AR-15” as such? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 22 13:57:57 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 22 13:46:24 2019. Well, at least you admit that it would be costly. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Mar 22 14:02:23 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 22 13:38:09 2019. The whole point of a firearm is that you don't have to get up close to the prey and risk spooking it. But, you know this already! You live in some fantasy land where you think that firearms will be outlawed. It seems that you're in the wrong country! In fact, when I leave the house in 20 minutes to pick up one of my kids, my buddies mr. Smith and mr. Wesson we'll be right by my side! |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Mar 22 14:04:48 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 22 13:50:23 2019. Exactly |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Mar 22 14:07:43 2019, in response to Re: New Zealand announces new gun confiscation laws, posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 22 13:43:13 2019. I don't think you realize what you do. You take your personal opinions, and you foistthem as fact. Who are you to say that a hunter only needs one or two shots? If you ever went hunting, sometimes that's impractical. Sometimes the animal is hit but still alive. You sound like the people who say, whenever there is a fatal police shooting, oh, why didn't they shoot him in the arm? That's just not the way real life works. |
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