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Re: BUILD THE WALL
Posted by mtk52983* on Sat Dec 29 11:17:13 2018, in response to Re: BUILD THE WALL, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Dec 29 11:09:25 2018.* If you want to talk about Americans hating their country take a good long look in the mirror.
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Re: BUILD THE WALL
Posted by chicagomotorman* on Sat Dec 29 11:24:33 2018, in response to Re: BUILD THE WALL, posted by mtk52983 on Sat Dec 29 11:17:13 2018.* Not now, I just shaved.
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Re: BUILD THE WALL
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sat Dec 29 11:37:04 2018, in response to Re: BUILD THE WALL, posted by AlM on Sat Dec 29 11:06:17 2018.* PWN3D!
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Posted by AlM* on Sat Dec 29 11:40:08 2018, in response to Re: BUILD THE WALL, posted by mtk52983 on Sat Dec 29 11:17:13 2018.* He doesn't hate his country. He just doesn't have the skills to figure out what is good for his country and what isn't.
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Posted by JayZeeBMT* on Sat Dec 29 11:50:19 2018, in response to Re: BUILD THE WALL, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Dec 29 11:09:25 2018.* How do you feel about Trump demanding five billion dollars for a completely useless and unnecessary border wall, while at the same time threatening to keep the government partially closed AND signing an executive order freezing federal employees' wages?
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE* on Sat Dec 29 11:51:34 2018, in response to Re: BUILD THE WALL, posted by AlM on Sat Dec 29 11:40:08 2018.* Barack Obama hated his country and wanted to fundamentally change it.
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE* on Sat Dec 29 12:07:27 2018, in response to Re: BUILD THE WALL, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Dec 29 11:50:19 2018.* LOL. What a tool. Who says the wall is useless? JayZero the ex-emt or JayZero the faux journalist? Certainly not JayZero the immigration expert. Apparently the wall/fence was a great idea in 2009 and 2013 when the Democrats supported it The shutdown, though, is not over the wall. It's over cunt Democrats who intends to hold this country hostage because they don't like this president and seek to block him at every chance they get. If it were not the wall/Fence/whatever it would be something else. The line was drawn and the Democrats crossed it. As for shutting down the government, you mindless drone, SCUMBAMA shut the government down for 16 days over a very flawednand now dying healthcare plan. Wake up and smell the shit you are shoveling. ** Yes I responded to your bullshit this time. You had your chance.
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Re: BUILD THE WALL
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sat Dec 29 12:14:48 2018, in response to Re: BUILD THE WALL, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sat Dec 29 11:51:34 2018.* LOL!
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Re: BUILD THE WALL
Posted by JayZeeBMT* on Sat Dec 29 12:32:51 2018, in response to Re: BUILD THE WALL, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sat Dec 29 12:07:27 2018.* 1. The wall is both unnecessary and useless. We currently have a negative net immigration exchange with Mexico. eVerify would be far more effective, and far less costly at reducing illegal immigration than this $5B manifestation of fear. 2. The 2009 and 2013 appropriations were both for fence maintenance, improvement, and CBP personnel, NOT a "wall". 3. Trump has repeatedly and publicly stated the Shutdown, which he has boasted is his creation, is about his wall. Trump has also stated he will not reopen the government until his wall is funded, we hich the Democrats, correctly, will not do. 4. This year, 2018, began and will end, with a shutdown, despite the GOP controlling all three branches of government. That is not the doing of the Democratic party, it is the result of the Republicans' failure to government. 5. Your diatribe is the stinky shit being peddled here, and gaslighting will not change these facts.
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Posted by chicagomotorman* on Sat Dec 29 12:48:46 2018, in response to Re: BUILD THE WALL, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Dec 29 11:50:19 2018.* I said earlier I stated that it's very hard for me to accept that almost 50% of Americans hate this country. There is no question that you don't.
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Re: BUILD THE WALL
Posted by chicagomotorman* on Sat Dec 29 12:50:48 2018, in response to Re: BUILD THE WALL, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sat Dec 29 11:51:34 2018.* +45
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Re: BUILD THE WALL
Posted by chicagomotorman* on Sat Dec 29 12:53:06 2018, in response to Re: BUILD THE WALL, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sat Dec 29 12:07:27 2018.* Outstanding post.
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Posted by JayZeeBMT* on Sat Dec 29 12:54:08 2018, in response to Re: BUILD THE WALL, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Dec 29 12:48:46 2018.* You didn't answer my question, as usual.
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Posted by chicagomotorman* on Sat Dec 29 12:55:30 2018, in response to Re: BUILD THE WALL, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Dec 29 12:54:08 2018.* You've never answered my question.
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Re: BUILD THE WALL
Posted by Fred G* on Sat Dec 29 13:36:39 2018, in response to Re: BUILD THE WALL, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sat Dec 29 11:51:34 2018.* 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
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Posted by Fred G* on Sat Dec 29 13:37:13 2018, in response to Re: BUILD THE WALL, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Dec 29 12:14:48 2018.* The deadline for Post Of The Year is fast approaching 😂🤣😂🤣
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Re: BUILD THE WALL
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sat Dec 29 13:42:03 2018, in response to Re: BUILD THE WALL, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Dec 29 12:32:51 2018.* And people wonder why I wish he were dead.
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE* on Sat Dec 29 13:43:02 2018, in response to Re: BUILD THE WALL, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Dec 29 13:42:03 2018.* Who do you out wish were dead?
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Re: BUILD THE WALL
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sat Dec 29 13:43:54 2018, in response to Re: BUILD THE WALL, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Dec 29 11:09:25 2018.* How is it looking that way?
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Re: BUILD THE WALL
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sat Dec 29 13:44:26 2018, in response to Re: BUILD THE WALL, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sat Dec 29 13:43:02 2018.* ???
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Re: BUILD THE WALL
Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Sat Dec 29 13:44:31 2018, in response to Re: BUILD THE WALL, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Dec 29 12:50:48 2018.* -100
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sat Dec 29 13:44:59 2018, in response to Re: BUILD THE WALL, posted by Fred G on Sat Dec 29 13:37:13 2018.* The OTscars.
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Posted by chicagomotorman* on Sat Dec 29 13:54:26 2018, in response to Re: BUILD THE WALL, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Dec 29 13:44:31 2018.* figures
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Re: BUILD THE WALL
Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Sat Dec 29 14:02:39 2018, in response to Re: BUILD THE WALL, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Dec 29 13:54:26 2018.* WHAT ??????????????????????????????????
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Re: BUILD THE WALL
Posted by Edwards!* on Sat Dec 29 14:25:53 2018, in response to Re: BUILD THE WALL, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Dec 29 12:32:51 2018.* CORRECT. However... "NothingMATTERS"..especially in light of Conservative Fearmongering...
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Re: BUILD THE WALL
Posted by Fisk Ave Jim* on Sat Dec 29 14:54:22 2018, in response to Re: BUILD THE WALL, posted by Fred G on Sat Dec 29 13:37:13 2018.*
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Re: BUILD THE WALL
Posted by Fred G* on Sat Dec 29 15:08:30 2018, in response to Re: BUILD THE WALL, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Dec 29 13:44:59 2018.* The OTscars.
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Posted by Fred G* on Sat Dec 29 15:34:23 2018, in response to Re: BUILD THE WALL, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Dec 29 14:54:22 2018.* Ha that looks pretty good for right about now 👍🏽
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Re: BUILD THE WALL
Posted by jimmymc25* on Sat Dec 29 16:39:11 2018, in response to Re: BUILD THE WALL, posted by mtk52983 on Sat Dec 29 11:17:13 2018.* BINGO!!!!!
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Re: BUILD THE WALL
Posted by chicagomotorman* on Sat Dec 29 19:54:47 2018, in response to BUILD THE WALL, posted by chicagomotorman on Sun Dec 23 18:22:31 2018.*
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Posted by AlM* on Sat Dec 29 20:11:24 2018, in response to Re: BUILD THE WALL, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Dec 29 19:54:47 2018.* Vetted legal immigrants, and people born in the US, commit murders too. In fact the latter do so at a higher rate.
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Posted by Easy* on Sat Dec 29 20:21:53 2018, in response to Re: BUILD THE WALL, posted by AlM on Sat Dec 29 20:11:24 2018.* Link?
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Posted by AlM* on Sat Dec 29 20:24:01 2018, in response to Re: BUILD THE WALL, posted by Easy on Sat Dec 29 20:21:53 2018.* I've posted them multiple times. It takes some work to find the data.
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Posted by Easy* on Sat Dec 29 20:27:15 2018, in response to Re: BUILD THE WALL, posted by AlM on Sat Dec 29 20:24:01 2018.* I saw data on murder “convictions” which is different than murders committed. But it did show that native born Americans are convicted of murder at a significantly higher rate.
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Re: BUILD THE WALL
Posted by TRAIN DUDE* on Sat Dec 29 20:43:18 2018, in response to Re: BUILD THE WALL, posted by AlM on Sat Dec 29 20:24:01 2018.* In other words, bullshit.
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Re: BUILD THE WALL
Posted by Chicagomotorman* on Sat Dec 29 20:53:33 2018, in response to Re: BUILD THE WALL, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sat Dec 29 20:43:18 2018.* Iawtlp
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sat Dec 29 21:01:16 2018, in response to Re: BUILD THE WALL, posted by Easy on Sat Dec 29 20:27:15 2018.* Those statistics are only significantly different if there is a large rate of unsolved murders, people wrongly convicted of murder and/or people wrongly acquitted of murder.
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Posted by AlM* on Sat Dec 29 21:07:30 2018, in response to Re: BUILD THE WALL, posted by Easy on Sat Dec 29 20:21:53 2018.* Since TD is making a fool of himself again, I dug this up. There are multiple references there. I'm sure he would claim they are all rigged.
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Re: BUILD THE WALL
Posted by Easy* on Sat Dec 29 22:20:07 2018, in response to Re: BUILD THE WALL, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Dec 29 21:01:16 2018.* In LA poor neighborhoods where black people and Latinos live lots of murders go unsolved. Think of gangs like MS13 and 18th Street. At one time MS 13 was very likely predominantly illegal.
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Re: BUILD THE WALL—Yet another reason
Posted by Olog-hai* on Sat Dec 29 22:40:45 2018, in response to BUILD THE WALL, posted by chicagomotorman on Sun Dec 23 18:22:31 2018.* Associated Press California officer’s killing reignites sanctuary law fight By Olga R. Rodriguez and Jocelyn Gecker The shooting death of a California police officer has reignited the debate over sanctuary laws, with a sheriff all but blaming the statewide immigration policy for the killing as he announced the arrest of a man living in the U.S. illegally. A two-day statewide manhunt ended Friday with the arrest of Gustavo Perez Arriaga, who came out with his hands up as a SWAT team prepared to raid a home in Bakersfield, about 200 miles (320 kilometers) southeast of where Cpl. Ronil Singh was shot in the small town of Newman before dawn Wednesday. Perez Arriaga was captured while planning to flee to his native Mexico, authorities said. Sheriff Adam Christianson, who led the investigation, blamed California’s sanctuary law for preventing local authorities from reporting Perez Arriaga to U.S. immigration officials for deportation after two previous drunken driving arrests. “We can’t ignore the fact that this could have been preventable,” Christianson told reporters, asking why the state was “providing sanctuary for criminals (and) gang members. It’s a conversation we need to have.” The laws are a flashpoint between jurisdictions that say they allow immigrant communities to report crimes without fear of deportation and the Trump administration, which has vowed to crack down on such cities and states. President Donald Trump tweeted about Singh’s killing Thursday by saying it was “time to get tough on Border Security. Build the Wall!” The immigration fight has intensified as Trump pushes for funding for a border wall that congressional Democrats oppose, forcing a partial government shutdown. Perez Arriaga crossed the border in Arizona several years ago and had worked a variety of jobs as a laborer, including at several dairies. The 33-year-old had gang affiliations and multiple Facebook pages with different names, Christianson said. An email to a sheriff’s spokesman asking whether Perez Arriaga had a lawyer who could speak on his behalf wasn’t returned and a phone call rang to a voicemail that was full. California’s sanctuary law includes more than 800 exceptions for violent crimes and felonies and bars police from asking people about their citizenship status. Gov. Jerry Brown has said the law strikes a balance between protecting families and ensuring consequences for serious criminals. His spokesman said Friday that if the suspect was a known gang member, police could have informed federal authorities. “California law fully permits the sharing of information on dangerous gang members,” spokesman Evan Westrup said. Former state Sen. Kevin de Leon, the Democrat who wrote the legislation, said it’s “highly irresponsible” to blame the law for the officer’s death. “The type of tone and attitude that Sheriff Christianson has taken instills fear and panic in all immigrant communities” that could make people afraid to report crimes, de Leon told KNX-AM radio in Los Angeles. Cpl. Singh had pulled over a suspected drunken driver in Newman when he was fatally wounded, and he managed to fire back but didn’t hit the attacker, authorities have said. A resident who saw the driver get behind the wheel flagged down Singh and heard the gunshots minutes later, Stanislaus County sheriff’s Sgt. Tom Letras told the Modesto Bee newspaper. Authorities have arrested seven other people, including Perez Arriaga’s brothers, 25-year-old Adrian Virgen and 34-year-old Conrado Virgen Mendoza; his girlfriend, 30-year-old Ana Leyde Cervantes; and a co-worker, 27-year-old Erik Razo Quiroz, authorities said. Three people were arrested at the home near Bakersfield. All are accused of helping Perez Arriaga, who’s expected to be arraigned on charges Wednesday, authorities said. Singh, 33, was also an immigrant, coming legally from his native Fiji to fulfill his dream of becoming an officer, authorities said. Singh had a newborn son and joined the 12-officer Newman police force in 2011. Newman Police Chief Randy Richardson called him a patriot. “This is a man that loved his country. This is a man that worked hard for what he believed in. He believed in this community,” the chief said at a candlelight vigil that hundreds attended Friday night to honor Singh. “Ronil loved his job,” Reggie Singh told the crowd, holding his brother’s 5-month-old son. Associated Press writers Daisy Nguyen in San Francisco, Amanda Lee Myers in Los Angeles and Kathleen Ronayne in Sacramento contributed to this report. Scumbag AP drawing false equivalence between Singh and his killer on the misnomer (with respect to the killer) “immigrant”. Singh was the only immigrant in this case; Perez Arriaga is an invader as are any of his relatives here illegally.
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Re: BUILD THE WALL
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sat Dec 29 22:43:06 2018, in response to Re: BUILD THE WALL, posted by Easy on Sat Dec 29 22:20:07 2018.* Do you have any stats?
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Posted by AlM* on Sat Dec 29 23:04:41 2018, in response to Re: BUILD THE WALL, posted by Easy on Sat Dec 29 22:20:07 2018.* Yes, the lower the income level the greater a percentage of murders go unsolved. But that's true whether the low income people are legal residents or not.
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Posted by Easy* on Sat Dec 29 23:26:47 2018, in response to Re: BUILD THE WALL, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Dec 29 22:43:06 2018.* My knowledge is mostly based on reading about drive by’s and other murders and you usually don’t read someone got caught. LAPD also has stats but they tend to make the stats that make them look bad hard to find. I did find this page that shows that nearly half of all LA county homicides go unsolved and it’s worse for black and Hispanic men. https://projects.dailynews.com/unsolved-homicides/ Also keep in mind that lots of LA’s most violent gang members were deported in the 90’s and 2000’s. That wouldn’t happen anymore although gang crime is way down here anyway.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sat Dec 29 23:36:35 2018, in response to Re: BUILD THE WALL, posted by AlM on Sat Dec 29 23:04:41 2018.* That weakens your claim.
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BUILD THE WALL—FB thugs censor post honoring Ronil Singh
Posted by Olog-hai* on Sun Dec 30 06:08:30 2018, in response to BUILD THE WALL, posted by chicagomotorman on Sun Dec 23 18:22:31 2018.* . . . because of a phrase they dislike. FB won't censor antisemitic posts though; they don't violate their "Community Standards" somehow.
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Re: BUILD THE WALL—FB thugs censor post honoring Ronil Singh
Posted by Dave* on Sun Dec 30 07:40:37 2018, in response to BUILD THE WALL—FB thugs censor post honoring Ronil Singh, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Dec 30 06:08:30 2018.* Bad link.
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Re: BUILD THE WALL—FB thugs censor post honoring Ronil Singh
Posted by AlM* on Sun Dec 30 08:17:08 2018, in response to BUILD THE WALL—FB thugs censor post honoring Ronil Singh, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Dec 30 06:08:30 2018.* Facebook censors lots of leftists too. Their algorithms aren't accurate enough to distinguish truly objectionable speech from simply unpopular speech.
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Re: BUILD THE WALL—FB thugs censor post honoring Ronil Singh
Posted by TRAIN DUDE* on Sun Dec 30 08:25:02 2018, in response to Re: BUILD THE WALL—FB thugs censor post honoring Ronil Singh, posted by AlM on Sun Dec 30 08:17:08 2018.* But it's obvious that the algorithm for censorship of liberal speech has not the same latitude as that for conservative speech. There in lies the rub.
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It's not a wall any more Re: BUILD THE WALL
Posted by AlM* on Sun Dec 30 13:28:45 2018, in response to BUILD THE WALL, posted by chicagomotorman on Sun Dec 23 18:22:31 2018.* Per Chief of Staff Kelly “To be honest, it’s not a wall,” Mr. Kelly told The Los Angeles Times. And then we have: “There may be a wall at some places, there may be steel slats, there may be technological enhancements,” Conway said. “But always saying ‘wall’ or ‘no wall’ is being very disingenuous and turning a complete blind eye to what is a crisis at the border when it comes to the drugs pouring in.” So if Trump just wants improved border security, he should say so and everyone can negotiate exactly how much funding to put in. But instead he lied for 2 years to amp up his base.
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Re: It's not a wall any more Re: BUILD THE WALL
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sun Dec 30 13:36:53 2018, in response to It's not a wall any more Re: BUILD THE WALL, posted by AlM on Sun Dec 30 13:28:45 2018.* Because you know he’s all about that base, ‘bout that base.
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