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Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 3 22:29:54 2018

No mentions of so-called MGTOW allowed here. That would be a thread hijack, since it’s not related.

Bloomberg News via Financial Post

Men on Wall Street are so spooked by the #MeToo movement they're avoiding women at all costs

By Gillian Tan and Katia Porzecanski
December 3, 2018 2:00 PM EST
No more dinners with female colleagues. Don’t sit next to them on flights. Book hotel rooms on different floors. Avoid one-on-one meetings.

In fact, as a wealth adviser put it, just hiring a woman these days is “an unknown risk.” What if she took something he said the wrong way?

Across Wall Street, men are adopting controversial strategies for the #MeToo era and, in the process, making life even harder for women.

Call it the Pence Effect, after U.S. Vice President Mike Pence, who has said he avoids dining alone with any woman other than his wife. In finance, the overarching impact can be, in essence, gender segregation.

Interviews with more than 30 senior executives suggest many are spooked by #MeToo and struggling to cope. “It’s creating a sense of walking on eggshells,” said David Bahnsen, a former managing director at Morgan Stanley who’s now an independent adviser overseeing more than US$1.5 billion.

This is hardly a single-industry phenomenon, as men across the country check their behaviour at work, to protect themselves in the face of what they consider unreasonable political correctness — or to simply do the right thing. The upshot is forceful on Wall Street, where women are scarce in the upper ranks. The industry has also long nurtured a culture that keeps harassment complaints out of the courts and public eye, and has so far avoided a mega-scandal like the one that has engulfed Harvey Weinstein.

Now, more than a year into the #MeToo movement — with its devastating revelations of harassment and abuse in Hollywood, Silicon Valley and beyond — Wall Street risks becoming more of a boy’s club, rather than less of one.

“Women are grasping for ideas on how to deal with it, because it is affecting our careers,” said Karen Elinski, president of the Financial Women’s Association and a senior vice president at Wells Fargo & Co. “It’s a real loss.”

There’s a danger, too, for companies that fail to squash the isolating backlash and don’t take steps to have top managers be open about the issue and make it safe for everyone to discuss it, said Stephen Zweig, an employment attorney with FordHarrison.

“If men avoid working or traveling with women alone, or stop mentoring women for fear of being accused of sexual harassment,” he said, “those men are going to back out of a sexual harassment complaint and right into a sex discrimination complaint.”

While the new personal codes for dealing with #MeToo have only just begun to ripple, the shift is already palpable, according to the people interviewed, who declined to be named. They work for hedge funds, law firms, banks, private equity firms and investment-management firms.

For obvious reasons, few will talk openly about the issue. Privately, though, many of the men interviewed acknowledged they’re channeling Pence, saying how uneasy they are about being alone with female colleagues, particularly youthful or attractive ones, fearful of the rumour mill or of, as one put it, the potential liability.

A manager in infrastructure investing said he won’t meet with female employees in rooms without windows anymore; he also keeps his distance in elevators. A late-40-something in private equity said he has a new rule, established on the advice of his wife, an attorney: no business dinner with a woman 35 or younger.

The changes can be subtle but insidious, with a woman, say, excluded from casual after-work drinks, leaving male colleagues to bond, or having what should be a private meeting with a boss with the door left wide open.

On Wall Street as elsewhere, reactions to #MeToo can smack of paranoia, particularly given the industry’s history of protecting its biggest revenue generators.

“Some men have voiced concerns to me that a false accusation is what they fear,” said Zweig, the lawyer. “These men fear what they cannot control.”

There are as many or more men who are responding in quite different ways. One, an investment adviser who manages about 100 employees, said he briefly reconsidered having one-on-one meetings with junior women. He thought about leaving his office door open, or inviting a third person into the room.

Finally, he landed on the solution: “Just try not to be an asshole.”

That’s pretty much the bottom line, said Ron Biscardi, chief executive officer of Context Capital Partners. “It’s really not that hard.”

In January, as #MeToo was gathering momentum, Biscardi did away with the late-night, open-bar gathering he’d hosted for years in his penthouse suite during Context Capital’s annual conference at the Fontainebleau Miami Beach. “Given the fact that women are in the minority at our events, we want to make sure that the environment is always welcoming and comfortable. We felt that eliminating the after-party was necessary to remain consistent with that goal.”

In this charged environment, the question is how the response to #MeToo might actually end up hurting women’s progress. Given the male dominance in Wall Street’s top jobs, one of the most pressing consequences for women is the loss of male mentors who can help them climb the ladder.

“There aren’t enough women in senior positions to bring along the next generation all by themselves,” said Lisa Kaufman, chief executive officer of LaSalle Securities. “Advancement typically requires that someone at a senior level knows your work, gives you opportunities and is willing to champion you within the firm. It’s hard for a relationship like that to develop if the senior person is unwilling to spend one-on-one time with a more junior person.”

Men have to step up, she said, and “not let fear be a barrier.”

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Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Dec 3 22:31:54 2018, in response to Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 3 22:29:54 2018.

#mgtow is real.

Thanks for w1n.

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Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 3 22:33:56 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Dec 3 22:31:54 2018.

Told you not to do that. You need shock treatment.

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Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Dec 3 22:39:20 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 3 22:33:56 2018.

Lol@ men need to step up.

Restaurants hate the current dating scene.

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Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs

Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon Dec 3 22:40:01 2018, in response to Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 3 22:29:54 2018.

This has become a very high stakes game in corporate America. Some women are true victims but other play dirty. Time for men to fight fire with fire 🔥.

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Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 3 22:47:49 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon Dec 3 22:40:01 2018.

Women are now scared that Wall Street will become a "boys' club". Well, they asked for it.

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Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 3 22:48:53 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Dec 3 22:39:20 2018.

Also unrelated.

Laughable that you would associated Mike Pence with the subject I disallowed, too.

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Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs

Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon Dec 3 22:50:08 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 3 22:47:49 2018.

Fight fire with fire 🔥

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Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Dec 3 22:50:51 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 3 22:48:53 2018.

No. Restaurants are mentioned.

Women have created a hostile environment.

#mgtow

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Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Dec 3 22:52:19 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 3 22:47:49 2018.

Women like attention. The fact so many women hit the wall and become cat ladies is their fault.

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Re: Men on Wall Street insped by #mgtow movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Dec 3 22:54:20 2018, in response to Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 3 22:29:54 2018.

Many #mgtow in Railfan community.

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Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 3 22:55:43 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Dec 3 22:50:51 2018.

No; the word "restaurant" is not in the article. And the main allusion to it is with respect to Mike Pence.

Someone needs to paralyze your fingers so you never type another hashtag, especially one I said was not allowed on this thread. How does that sound?

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Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 3 22:56:19 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Dec 3 22:52:19 2018.

Not related to this thread. All hijacks will fail.

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Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 3 22:57:11 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street insped by #mgtow movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Dec 3 22:54:20 2018.

Stop trying to hijack the thread out of spite.

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Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs

Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Dec 3 23:01:56 2018, in response to Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 3 22:29:54 2018.

Remarkable

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Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 3 23:03:50 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Dec 3 23:01:56 2018.

It was bound to happen. Be careful what you wish for comes to mind.

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Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Dec 3 23:04:33 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Dec 3 23:01:56 2018.

Christmas parties must suck so bad.

Women have nothing to lose. Men, everything.

Socializing with women is a risk.

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Re: Men on Wall Street inspir by #Mgtow movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Dec 3 23:06:33 2018, in response to Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 3 22:57:11 2018.

Its more #mgtow than #metoo

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Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Dec 3 23:08:11 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 3 23:03:50 2018.

I'm a little surprised but not shocked. How many Wall Street guys have been caught up in this type of scandal?

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Re: Men on Wall Street inspir by #Mgtow movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs

Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Dec 3 23:09:15 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street inspir by #Mgtow movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Dec 3 23:06:33 2018.

What's mgtow

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Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all cost

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 3 23:21:59 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street inspir by #Mgtow movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Dec 3 23:09:15 2018.

It stands for "men going their own way". It literally embodies an unnatural loathing of women by weak men, and men abdicating their responsibilities as men. This thread is not about that.

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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Dec 3 23:29:30 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all cost, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 3 23:21:59 2018.

You're a simp or white knight in mgtow.

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Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all cost

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 3 23:36:15 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all cost, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Dec 3 23:29:30 2018.

What don't you understand about "this thread is not about that"?

Typical leftist now, with your name-calling.

Is your brain incapable of understanding what this thread is about? You make B68 Slow Poke seem like Einstein.

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Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all cost

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Dec 4 00:17:15 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all cost, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 3 23:36:15 2018.

This article is anti male.

Its saying let's just get rid of men.

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Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs

Posted by FtgreeneG on Tue Dec 4 00:42:12 2018, in response to Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 3 22:29:54 2018.

Of course false accusations can't be avoided like anything else. But it seems this comment from the article put it best...

'Finally, he landed on the solution: “Just try not to be an asshole.”'

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Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Dec 4 02:09:09 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by FtgreeneG on Tue Dec 4 00:42:12 2018.

Figures you would side against men.

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Posted by FtgreeneG on Tue Dec 4 05:21:47 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Dec 4 02:09:09 2018.

Not being an asshole is not siding with men?

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Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs

Posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Dec 4 06:45:26 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 3 22:48:53 2018.

Since when do you get to "disallow" a thread drifting to even a peripherally-related subject?

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Posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Dec 4 06:53:54 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all cost, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 3 23:21:59 2018.

If men and women are supposed to be fully equal, then how can men have special "responsibilities as men"? That would imply that women had specific "responsibilities as women", and I don't think women in the corporate world would agree or approve.

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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Dec 4 07:02:11 2018, in response to Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 3 22:29:54 2018.

The women brought it on themselves. Why hire a woman if 20 years later she will sue you for sexual harassment for a comment you made at a party after you’ve had a few too many?

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Posted by Dave on Tue Dec 4 07:29:07 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by FtgreeneG on Tue Dec 4 05:21:47 2018.

Luch is an expert at being an asshole so he would know.

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Posted by Dave on Tue Dec 4 07:29:59 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Dec 4 07:02:11 2018.

Maybe you'd hire a woman if she's the most qualified for the job?

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Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs

Posted by AlM on Tue Dec 4 07:48:45 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 3 23:03:50 2018.

It was bound to happen.

Some men being morons?

I've got no trouble holding one on one meetings with women in my office. Most of them even close the office door as they walk in so that our conversation won't disturb others sitting nearby.

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Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Dec 4 08:35:41 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Dec 3 22:31:54 2018.

#Luchtoldus

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Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Dec 4 08:39:38 2018, in response to Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 3 22:29:54 2018.

Honestly, people are trying to go against nature. Any animal kingdom, which we ar part of, male and female mammals have different roles. For thousands of years it went undistracted up until the last 40 years or so.

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Posted by Fred G on Tue Dec 4 08:45:18 2018, in response to Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 3 22:29:54 2018.

I’ve worked with women professionally for 40 years and never had a problem even surveying with women in the field. I think what that guy said was best: “just don’t be an asshole“. A lot of men think they’re entitled to a woman’s attention; sorry buddy that ain’t the case.
Maybe in time this will mark the return of the gentleman.

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Posted by Fred G on Tue Dec 4 08:46:19 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Dec 4 08:39:38 2018.

I think evolution changed all that

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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 4 08:56:56 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Dec 4 08:39:38 2018.

This is such bullshit. Perhaps humans are like bees and the women should be in charge and doing all the working and fighting.

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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Dec 4 09:00:35 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by Fred G on Tue Dec 4 08:45:18 2018.

I hope gentlemanly behavior returns, but in today's workplace environment, due care is unfortunately necessary.

No more complimenting a woman's appearance (that is seen as creepy).

No more one-on-one closed-door meetings with female co-workers (even though I'm gay, I subscribe to this rule--anyone can say anything, and it's almost impossible to defend yourself against an allegation that requires you to prove a negative).

No more physical contact with women at work, not even a handshake. Nope.

It's kind of sad that we must practice the equivalent of defensive driving in our places of business, but it is what it is.



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Posted by AlM on Tue Dec 4 09:17:16 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Dec 4 09:00:35 2018.

No more one-on-one closed-door meetings with female co-workers

As I said in another post, I continue to have one-on-one meetings with women colleagues in my office, and often they close the door as they enter so that we don't disturb others nearby. If you are always courteous, women are not concerned. I agree I would not be the one to close the door, but I wouldn't have done that before #MeToo either.

not even a handshake

Ridiculous.

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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Dec 4 09:21:25 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by Fred G on Tue Dec 4 08:46:19 2018.

Are you one of those people who think that we are above Nature? We are not. The bottom line is we are primates and the males and the females have different roles within the societal structure.

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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Dec 4 09:21:59 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 4 08:56:56 2018.

But we are not bees. We are human beings, mammals who are primates.

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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Dec 4 09:23:09 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Dec 4 09:00:35 2018.

Not me! I am my usual charming self so the broads flock to me!

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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Dec 4 09:32:02 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by AlM on Tue Dec 4 09:17:16 2018.

Not "ridiculous", prudent.

I know several colleagues who, mindful of their status as public figures, refrain from any gesture that can be misinterpreted.

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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue Dec 4 09:37:45 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 3 22:55:43 2018.

A laser works better. Burn all the defective out of his brain.

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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue Dec 4 09:40:31 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by Dave on Tue Dec 4 07:29:07 2018.

+7000

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Posted by Dave on Tue Dec 4 09:51:37 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue Dec 4 09:37:45 2018.

That would leave him anencephalic. Of wait, he already is....

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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 4 10:01:49 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by Dave on Tue Dec 4 07:29:59 2018.

How do you measure qualifications? There is no objective way to do it, especially if the candidate is hiding things.

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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 4 10:06:44 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Dec 4 08:39:38 2018.

Guess you missed the later Greek and Roman Empires and what went on there.

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Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 4 10:08:07 2018, in response to Re: Men on Wall Street spooked by #MeToo movement; now avoiding women in all spheres and at all costs, posted by FtgreeneG on Tue Dec 4 00:42:12 2018.

Not being an a-hole is a two way street.

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