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Posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 7 09:12:15 2018, in response to Re: CONFIRMED, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun Oct 7 08:43:31 2018. "could he be trusted for a third" is not a valid excuse for delaying 293 days. It was rightfully Obama's. His term was 4 years, not 3 years, 2 months. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Sun Oct 7 09:13:36 2018, in response to Re: CONFIRMED, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Oct 7 08:52:29 2018. 93% isn’t that uncommon at the Court of Appeals level because they can’t be as discerning as the Supreme Court when it comes to taking cases. You have a lot of baseless appeals from pro se litigants that would never be granted certiorari if it were Supreme Court. The problem is the 7% where Kavanaugh has demonstrated that he will twist anything and everything even when the language is clear in order to reach a predetermined political position. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 7 09:18:00 2018, in response to Re: CONFIRMED, posted by mtk52983 on Sun Oct 7 09:13:36 2018. Since 90% oif Kavanaugh's writings are redacted, we don't know what he will do. But they are probably hiding a lot. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Sun Oct 7 09:19:18 2018, in response to Re: CONFIRMED, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun Oct 7 08:43:31 2018. Personally I think it would have been smarter to nominate Jane Kelly of the 8th Circuit who is from Iowa or Gregg Costa of the 5th Circuit who is from Texas and previously clerked for two Republican appointees (A. Raymond Randolph on D.C. Circuit and some guy named William Rehnquist). Each would have put influential Senators (Grassley in the case of Kelly and Cornyn/Cruz in the case of Costa) having to be on record with why a Judge from their state is not qualified to be on the Supreme Court. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 7 09:19:58 2018, in response to Re: CONFIRMED, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Oct 7 09:12:04 2018. Senate went from 54 to 52. With the Alabama special election, down to 51.Trump is there only due to 78,000 out of 15 million votes cast in 3 states. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Sun Oct 7 09:21:01 2018, in response to Re: CONFIRMED, posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 7 09:18:00 2018. I am not talking about his record in the Bush administration and work with Ken Starr. His decisions as a Judge on the Court of Appeals are public records that cannot be redacted. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Oct 7 09:21:28 2018, in response to Re: CONFIRMED, posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 7 09:19:58 2018. Yes, but this was an easily winnable election given Trump’s unpopularity. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Sun Oct 7 09:24:23 2018, in response to Re: CONFIRMED, posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 7 09:19:58 2018. That is how the system works. Maybe if Hillary Clinton had run a better campaign rather than ignoring those states or taking the blue collar workers for granted she would be living in 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue today. Unfortunately I do not see the Democrats learning from their errors in 2016. The Democrats need to stop indulging the Ocasio-Cortez wing of the party and go back to the Blue Dog Democrats that won them control. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Sun Oct 7 09:26:27 2018, in response to Re: CONFIRMED, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Oct 7 09:21:28 2018. That was said in 2016 and it did not happen. Trump has a base that will vote for him no matter what. If the Democrats keep lurching to the left they will lose again in 2018 and 2020. The majority of the Country does not think that he most important issue is bathroom choice. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Oct 7 09:30:37 2018, in response to Re: CONFIRMED, posted by mtk52983 on Sun Oct 7 09:24:23 2018. The Ocasio-Cortez types play a role in the party in places like NYC, California, and maybe some other places. But in a national election I'm not sure how it works in swing states like Florida.Maybe the Gillum vs DeSantis will tell us something. I think Gillum will campaign with Hillary and maybe Obama and DeSantis will hope this brings out counter voters and Trump will stay away this time. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun Oct 7 09:31:06 2018, in response to Re: CONFIRMED, posted by mtk52983 on Sun Oct 7 09:07:27 2018. My point exactly |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun Oct 7 09:33:25 2018, in response to Re: CONFIRMED, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Oct 7 09:10:19 2018. I hope not. She deserves her time in the sun. PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP will choose an eminently qualified replacement. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun Oct 7 09:35:46 2018, in response to Re: CONFIRMED, posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 7 09:12:15 2018. Didn't quite work out that way, though. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Sun Oct 7 09:36:36 2018, in response to Re: CONFIRMED, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Oct 7 09:30:37 2018. Not sure Florida is a good measure because both candidates are awful |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 7 09:47:51 2018, in response to Re: CONFIRMED, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Oct 7 09:21:28 2018. Seat math this year is horrible for Democrats in the Senate, but anger will flip the House. Losers by definition are more angry than winners, which spurs voter turnout. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Oct 7 09:48:54 2018, in response to Re: CONFIRMED, posted by mtk52983 on Sun Oct 7 09:36:36 2018. IAWTP |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Oct 7 09:54:04 2018, in response to Re: CONFIRMED, posted by mtk52983 on Sun Oct 7 09:26:27 2018. It was the Republicans who made “bathroom choice” an issue. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 7 09:54:31 2018, in response to Re: CONFIRMED, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Oct 7 07:37:08 2018. He said he would not accept outcome just prior to the 2016 election had he lost, claim voter fraud in NY/NJ, MA/NH, and CA. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Oct 7 09:56:06 2018, in response to Re: CONFIRMED, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun Oct 7 09:33:25 2018. At least this is something he delegates to the Federalist Society instead of delegating to Vladimir Putin as with foreign policy. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Oct 7 09:58:23 2018, in response to Re: CONFIRMED, posted by mtk52983 on Sun Oct 7 09:36:36 2018. they are weak.But Bernie campaigned with Gillum. Trump with DeSantis. Media likes to analyze things to blame or credit such alliances on wins and losses. Desantis is weak and Trump hates losing so maybe he'll stay away from him this time. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 7 09:59:01 2018, in response to Re: CONFIRMED, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Oct 7 09:30:37 2018. The Ocasio-Cortez types play a role in the party in places like NYC, California, and maybe some other places. . . like Massachusetts and Vermont? Minnesota too? The socialists are tearing the party apart. think Gillum will campaign with Hillary and maybe Obama and DeSantis will hope this brings out counter voters and Trump will stay away this time They're hoping against hope. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 7 10:00:27 2018, in response to Re: CONFIRMED, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Oct 7 08:56:00 2018. Garland should be there instead of SotomayorThat's like saying Sotomayor should be there instead of Sotomayor. But there's no way Obama could have done a white male earlier Why, because of the racism/misandry angle he was playing? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Oct 7 10:01:26 2018, in response to Re: CONFIRMED, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 7 09:59:01 2018. Trump is campaigning by going to police rallies in Orlando and other big areas. I figure these Florida appearances are to maintain his momentum in the state. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 7 10:01:28 2018, in response to Re: CONFIRMED, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Oct 7 09:58:23 2018. Desantis is weakNo he isn't. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 7 10:04:12 2018, in response to Re: CONFIRMED, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Oct 7 10:01:26 2018. Trump is campaigning by going to police rallies in Orlando and other big areasIt's not Trump breaking with DeSantis; it's the other way around—that is, if all those liberal media garbage outlets are to be believed (since when). If DeSantis doesn't win, it's because he's throwing the race to get a socialist in. He could clobber Gillum. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Oct 7 11:14:10 2018, in response to Re: CONFIRMED, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Oct 7 09:54:04 2018. They were concerned about men sexually harassing women in unisex bathroomsHehe |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 7 11:29:13 2018, in response to Re: CONFIRMED, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Oct 7 09:11:14 2018. The left can't handle that he is president. The old saying he could cure cancer and they would still complain applies. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 7 11:32:03 2018, in response to Re: CONFIRMED, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Oct 7 09:09:27 2018. The left made this circus because they didn't want another Trump Appointee. What makes it worse, is that this has nothing to do with Kavanaugh. For the most part, all the Democrats that voted no made up their mind before his name was even announced.If Garland was so wonderful, Obama should have nominated the MOST QUALIFIED person FIRST when he nominated Kagan, and worse, Sotomayor. But he couldn't do it. he's so racist that he couldn't possibly nominate a qualified white male. He only threw out the qualified white male the last time when he knew it wasn't going to go anywhere anyway. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Oct 7 11:32:58 2018, in response to Re: CONFIRMED, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 7 11:29:13 2018. Your post makes no sense. Trump isn't curing cancer and Kavanaugh isn't upholding Roe vs. Wade. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 7 11:33:43 2018, in response to Re: CONFIRMED, posted by mtk52983 on Sun Oct 7 09:13:36 2018. And in that last 7% it doesn't mean Garland was 100% correct either if you want to assume this. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 7 11:34:43 2018, in response to Re: CONFIRMED, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 7 11:32:03 2018. There's also that bit about not appointing a Supreme Court justice in an election year, that Obama disregarded. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Oct 7 11:35:09 2018, in response to Re: CONFIRMED, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 7 11:32:03 2018. LOL!You're pretty much Olog-hai II now. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 7 11:35:25 2018, in response to Re: CONFIRMED, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun Oct 7 09:04:58 2018. Yes. There's no problem with woman being there, nor Hispanic. But those two winners? Kagan isn't nearly as bad as Sotomayor, which has no business at all there. There were so many qualified woman, and he went with that one? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Oct 7 11:35:42 2018, in response to Re: CONFIRMED, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 7 11:34:43 2018. A rule that was invented in 2016. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 7 11:35:57 2018, in response to Re: CONFIRMED, posted by mtk52983 on Sun Oct 7 09:07:27 2018. Yes. While I don't think Kagan had been qualified at the time, she's worked out fine. Sotomayor? Not so much. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 7 11:36:58 2018, in response to Re: CONFIRMED, posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 7 09:09:51 2018. Case in point. The Dems have not learned. You prove that all the time. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Sun Oct 7 11:39:00 2018, in response to Re: CONFIRMED, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 7 11:32:03 2018. Justice Kagan was qualified even if she had not previously been a Judge and has demonstrated that. Sotomayor isn’t precisely because she was chosen to fill a demographic. Clarence Thomas and Sandra Day O’Connor were chosen for similar reasons. Despite his longevity, Clarence Thomas has not ushered in a revolution in jurisprudence. I am not sure that he has ever authored a 5-4 majority opinion on a controversial topic. Justices Scalia and Kennedy as well as Chief Justices Rehnquist and Roberts did not trust him to keep a majority because his views are so eccentric that nobody signs on in whole. I have a feeling Justice Sotomayor will end up the same way. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 7 11:40:36 2018, in response to Re: CONFIRMED, posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 7 09:19:58 2018. You forget to understand that EVERYONE knew how to win the election BEFORE.Hillary and the Dems took people for granted. They just assumed that since he was a weak candidate, she would just swing on in there. The Dems have to stop blaming everyone else. Do you realize that Hillary and the Democrats LOST to Trump? It doesn't matter how much. With a candiate like him, tyhey SHOULD have had an easy time getting in. They did not, as their statagey and platform SUCKS. They are NOT going to win on the "we are not them" garbage. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Oct 7 11:41:43 2018, in response to Re: CONFIRMED, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 7 11:35:57 2018. How are you qualified to determine judicial qualifications? |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Sun Oct 7 11:41:55 2018, in response to Re: CONFIRMED, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 7 11:33:43 2018. I am not denying that. The thing about our lengthy history of judicial decisions is that it is easy to reach a political conclusion and then look for cases to back them up rather than looking at what the text says and then working from that to reach the conclusion. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 7 11:42:26 2018, in response to Re: CONFIRMED, posted by mtk52983 on Sun Oct 7 09:26:27 2018. Trump has a base that will vote for him no matter what.The left has the same sort of base that will vote Democrat no matter who. If the Democrats keep lurching to the left they will lose again in 2018 and 2020. You are absolutely correct on that. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 7 11:42:57 2018, in response to Re: CONFIRMED, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Oct 7 09:54:04 2018. An issue because there is no need for it. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 7 11:43:16 2018, in response to Re: CONFIRMED, posted by mtk52983 on Sun Oct 7 09:24:23 2018. Exactly correct. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Oct 7 11:43:45 2018, in response to Re: CONFIRMED, posted by mtk52983 on Sun Oct 7 11:39:00 2018. I am not sure that he has ever authored a 5-4 majority opinion on a controversial topic.But he has provided a 5th vote for some extremely controversial decisions. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 7 11:45:53 2018, in response to Re: CONFIRMED, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Oct 7 09:30:37 2018. If the Democrats keep lurching to the left they will lose again in 2018 and 2020.And that is exactly why the electoral college works. The winning number of people come from the west and east coastal elites, and they love the Cortes types. She is clueless about the needs of the rest of the country. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Sun Oct 7 11:47:58 2018, in response to Re: CONFIRMED, posted by AlM on Sun Oct 7 11:43:45 2018. But the same can be said for anyone else who signed onto the opinion. Justices have a legacy based on the decisions they wrote, not the ones they merely provided a vote for. Thomas will forever go down as eccentric whose ideas could never win over a majority of the Supreme Court. You don’t even see other Justices citing his concurrences/dissents saying that you know something, we were wrong then and Clarence Thomas was correct. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Oct 7 11:51:32 2018, in response to Re: CONFIRMED, posted by mtk52983 on Sun Oct 7 09:24:23 2018. The Democrats need to stop indulging the Ocasio-Cortez wing of the partyThey indulge it a lot less than Republicans indulge the Trump wing. Every now and then the establishment Democrats will run a weak candidate and give an insurgent an opening. That can't be helped. But it's different from selling your soul. Susan Collins reminds me of the exchange from "A Man for All Seasons." Sir Richard Rich has just given perjured testimony. Thomas More asks him about a chain he is wearing. Thomas Cromwell says Rich has been appointed Attorney General for Wales. More says: “For Wales? Why Richard, it profits a man nothing to give his soul for the whole world . . . but for Wales!” |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Oct 7 11:58:27 2018, in response to Re: CONFIRMED, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 7 11:45:53 2018. Yes, because you don't want to elect someone who most people actually vote for. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 7 11:59:10 2018, in response to Re: CONFIRMED, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Oct 7 11:35:09 2018. Whatever you say. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 7 12:03:13 2018, in response to Re: CONFIRMED, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Oct 7 09:09:27 2018. And you did not address the fact that Merrick and Brett voted 93% the SAME. What are you opposing then, as it can't be the rulings, as that is pretty similar. How much better can you get than 93% on opposite political parties. It means BOTH seem to have put their political assertions aside. |
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