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Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Sep 17 13:08:38 2018, in response to Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Sep 17 12:33:49 2018.

Nope; not a word about that at all. Nobody's even bringing a challenge of Roe to the Supreme Court.

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Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Sep 17 13:08:39 2018, in response to Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 17 12:35:07 2018.

He was still a better choice than Hillary so they weren't that stupid.

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Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Sep 17 13:10:24 2018, in response to Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Sep 17 13:08:38 2018.

Well looking at Prince and the boys and that guy who lost, Maloney's primary ads, the way they bad-mouth Trump and even said his name and said he wants to overturn Roe versus Wade, you would think it's a done deal! But those of us that know better know it's all a bunch of malarkey.

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Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Sep 17 13:11:57 2018, in response to Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed, posted by Dave on Mon Sep 17 10:14:28 2018.

Sure, like Clarence Thomas and Anita Hill?

Give me a break.

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Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Sep 17 13:12:17 2018, in response to Kavanaugh vote delayed, posted by Dave on Mon Sep 17 07:32:12 2018.

link ?
and not FOX please

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Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Sep 17 13:16:33 2018, in response to Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 17 09:32:49 2018.

iawtp

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Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed

Posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Sep 17 13:21:48 2018, in response to Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Sep 17 13:12:17 2018.

Nice of you to be polite.

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Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed

Posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Sep 17 13:22:07 2018, in response to Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Sep 17 13:16:33 2018.

figures

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Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Sep 17 13:29:21 2018, in response to Kavanaugh vote delayed, posted by Dave on Mon Sep 17 07:32:12 2018.

Where are Ford's social media accounts, eh?

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Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Sep 17 13:35:57 2018, in response to Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed, posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Sep 17 13:21:48 2018.

what ?

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Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Sep 17 13:36:01 2018, in response to Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed, posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Sep 17 13:21:48 2018.

what ?

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Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Sep 17 13:36:23 2018, in response to Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed, posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Sep 17 13:22:07 2018.

FIGURES WHAT?

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Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Sep 17 13:39:33 2018, in response to Kavanaugh vote delayed, posted by Dave on Mon Sep 17 07:32:12 2018.

Spectator

Did Christine Blasey Ford Use Anonymity to ‘Get’ Kavanaugh?

David Catron
September 17, 2018, 12:05 am
If you smelled the stench of skulduggery emanating from Dianne Feinstein’s “anonymous” letter concerning sexual misconduct by SCOTUS nominee Brett Kavanaugh, your nose didn’t deceive you. Feinstein has had the letter since July but waited until after Kavanaugh’s confirmation hearings ended before referring it to the FBI. The Senator claimed its author had “requested confidentiality” and “declined to come forward or press the matter further.” But, as the Washington Post admitted yesterday, Christine Blasey Ford contacted them at the same time she reached out to Feinstein. Did she collude with the Post and the Democrats to ambush Kavanaugh?

Did Ford make a deal with the Democrats and the Post to hide behind the shield of anonymity until it was too late for the Trump administration to replace Judge Kavanaugh with another nominee who could be confirmed before the midterms? Their obvious hope is that the Democrats will eke out a majority in the Senate and prevent President Trump from appointing any further conservative justices to the Supreme Court. The Washington Post story says, in passing, that Ford is a registered Democrat. Her social media accounts appear to have been scrubbed, but some information remains suggesting that she is member in good standing of “the resistance.”

Her name can, for example, be found among 5,000 signatures on a letter sent by “Physicians for Human Rights” to Secretary of Homeland Security Kirstjen Nielsen and Attorney General Jeff Sessions. This tendentious missive protests President Trump’s border security policy and is typical of the hysteria surrounding the separation of some children from their parents that eventually culminated in the “abolish ICE” movement. She signed the letter under the name, “Christine Blasey Ph.D. Psychologist.” It is little more than a recitation of anti-Trump talking points, dressed up to read like a cri de coeur from a group of concerned professionals:
Using children as leverage to punish their parents is unconscionable, both with respect to the health and well-being of children and as treatment of migrants and asylum seekers. The right to family unity is enshrined in U.S. and international law, which recognize that families are the foundation of society. The relationship of children and parents is the strongest social tie most people experience, and a threat to that tie is among the most traumatic events people can experience.
It appears that, while she was hiding behind her anonymity, most of her other political activity was deleted from the internet. This is why anonymous accusers have been justly abhorred by honorable public servants throughout history. As far back as the Roman era, these creatures were considered beneath contempt. The Emperor Trajan famously admonished one of the provincial governors tasked with suppressing Christianity, “[A]nonymous accusations must not be admitted in evidence as against anyone, as it is introducing a dangerous precedent.” It is indeed. And this is more dangerous than the “high tech lynching” of Clarence Thomas in 1991.

His accuser, Anita Hill, was not at all credible but she did at least have the brass to make her baseless accusations in public. The same cannot be said of Christine Blasey Ford. While she hid behind the anonymity granted by the Democrats and the Washington Post, waiting for the signal to attack, Judge Kavanaugh has been seriously harmed. Like Justice Thomas, he will forever bear the mark of Cain. Thomas was, as recently as Friday, alluded to in a major publication as follows: “There’s already one credibly accused sexual aggressor on the Supreme Court who’s cast vote after vote denying women the right to control their biological destiny.”

Never mind that this is a reprehensible lie. It has been repeated so often that it permeates the public square like the smell of an open sewer. Likewise, as Senate Judiciary Committee chairman Chuck Grassley said while Ford’s accusations were still from an “anonymous” source, “Judge Kavanaugh’s background has been thoroughly vetted by the FBI on six different occasions throughout his decades of public service, and no such allegation ever surfaced.” Moreover, though Senator Feinstein knew about the allegation, she never asked a question about it during his confirmation hearings. This inclines Senator Grassley toward skepticism:
It’s disturbing that these uncorroborated allegations from more than 35 years ago, during high school, would surface on the eve of a committee vote after Democrats sat on them since July. If Ranking Member Feinstein and other Committee Democrats took this claim seriously, they should have brought it to the full Committee’s attention much earlier.
Chairman Grassley has no intention of delaying the Judiciary Committee vote scheduled for September 20. And Lindsey Graham, among the most influential Republican members of the committee, agrees. His statement reiterates Grassley’s comments as to “the substance and process regarding the allegations in this latest claim against Judge Kavanaugh.” More importantly, he has decided to put the onus of proof back on Ford by inviting her to talk directly with the entire committee rather than leveling charges at Kavanaugh through Senator Feinstein, her fellow Democrats, and the Washington Post. Specifically, he put it as follows:
If Ms. Ford wishes to provide information to the Committee, I would gladly listen to what she has to say and compare that against all the other information we have received about Judge Kavanaugh.… If the Committee is to hear from Ms. Ford, it should be done immediately so the process can continue as scheduled.
All of which brings us to the question of her veracity. According to the Post, Ford has an imperfect memory of the events. “Ford said she does not remember how the gathering came together the night of the incident.… She also doesn’t recall who owned the house or how she got there.” She does seem to remember the county, and this will no doubt be helpful to the committee if she musters the courage to appear. She never mentioned the event to anyone until 2012, when she attended couples therapy. The therapist’s notes from those sessions conflict with her current story but she claims that is an error on the therapist’s part. Her basic story goes thus:

She alleges that Kavanaugh — who played football and basketball at Georgetown Prep — held her down with the weight of his body and fumbled with her clothes, seemingly hindered by his intoxication. [Kavanaugh classmate Mark] Judge stood across the room, she said, and both boys were laughing “maniacally.” She said she yelled, hoping that someone downstairs would hear her over the music, and Kavanaugh clapped his hand over her mouth to silence her.

She escaped by locking herself in the bathroom, from whence she emerged after a few minutes. She isn’t sure how she got home. That’s pretty much it. This event happened 36 years ago among adolescents. The victim and the villain were under the influence of alcohol and the former can’t remember half of the details — yet somehow recalls enough to ruin the latter’s career. The latter says it never happened. This is why we have the Sixth Amendment, folks. Anonymous accusers enjoy little credibility and less respect among honorable people. These are characteristics they share with Democrats and journalists. The Senate should confirm Kavanaugh next week.


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Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed

Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 17 14:17:59 2018, in response to Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Sep 17 13:08:06 2018.

She passed a lie detector. He crossed the line. Covering her mouth is quite a bit more forceful than pinching her ass-cheek. There is no statute of limitations for rape.

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Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed

Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 17 14:19:29 2018, in response to Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Sep 17 13:08:39 2018.

10% of Bernie voters voted for Trump. Hillary was the lesser of 2 evils.

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Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed

Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 17 14:20:12 2018, in response to Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Sep 17 13:08:38 2018.

Not yet.

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Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed

Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 17 14:26:46 2018, in response to Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Sep 17 13:10:24 2018.

There's all the mid-1960's voting and civil rights laws, which he is perfectly capable of over-throwing.

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Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed

Posted by Dave on Mon Sep 17 14:27:48 2018, in response to Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Sep 17 13:12:17 2018.

Link for what? I expressed an opinion.

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Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed

Posted by Dave on Mon Sep 17 14:29:55 2018, in response to Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Sep 17 13:29:21 2018.

Ford?

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Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed

Posted by Dave on Mon Sep 17 14:30:42 2018, in response to Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed, posted by Dave on Mon Sep 17 14:29:55 2018.

Oh, the professor!

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Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Sep 17 14:40:20 2018, in response to Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 17 14:17:59 2018.

You realize that a lie detector it's a bullshit test that anybody could pass it if they believe they are telling the truth.

It makes no difference, he will be the next SCOTUS justice

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Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Sep 17 14:41:09 2018, in response to Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 17 14:19:29 2018.

That was my opinion, and this is your opinion. Neither one of us could say we're right. However, America spoke.

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Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed

Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon Sep 17 14:41:42 2018, in response to Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 17 14:17:59 2018.

Was the lie detector done by n the Maury show

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Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Sep 17 14:42:09 2018, in response to Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 17 14:26:46 2018.

Why worry about things that aren't there?

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Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed

Posted by mtk52983 on Mon Sep 17 14:47:05 2018, in response to Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon Sep 17 14:41:42 2018.

Congratulations, you are NOT the father!

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Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Sep 17 15:42:24 2018, in response to Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon Sep 17 14:41:42 2018.

It should have been! LOL! And Donald Trump could have been in the audience yelling the whole time, yelling back at the crowd, you don't know me!

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Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed

Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 17 16:24:39 2018, in response to Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon Sep 17 12:20:58 2018.

You are learning the US Senate is a deliberative body with a long memory and grudges are carried out.

Merrick Garland was refused a vote by the Senate for the last 10 months of Obama's term.He had every right to appoint him and have him considered. There was nothing wrong with Garland. He was appointed to the DC District Court by a 76-23 vote in 1996. But the right-wingers could never accept the legitimacy of Obama's Presidency, and some like Trump, not even his citizenship, and were not going to let him have another legacy.

Not fun being on the receiving end of this shit now, is it ? Even the lunatic Kellyanne Conway wants to hear her side of it.

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Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Sep 17 17:16:26 2018, in response to Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Sep 17 14:41:09 2018.

And America will speak again in 2020. If enough Americans like the job he's done so far, he'll be reelected. If not, he won't. Its as simple as that. Thats the American way. In addition, based on whats out there now, he will not be impeached.

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Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Sep 17 17:23:00 2018, in response to Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 17 14:17:59 2018.

iawtp

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Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Sep 17 17:25:04 2018, in response to Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon Sep 17 14:41:42 2018.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

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Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Sep 17 17:31:05 2018, in response to Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Sep 17 12:31:13 2018.

But why now?? This is pure politics & McCarthyism. I say you're a communist, now prove you're not.
I say you sexually assaulted me now prove you didn't
Its the same type of character assination all over again. Strictly he said-she said deal. And the man always has to clear his name. Keep in mind this is only an allegation. A persons life & reputation should not go down in flames over an allegation...of happenings 30 years ago. Just not enough facts here.

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Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed

Posted by ClearAspect on Mon Sep 17 17:35:50 2018, in response to Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Sep 17 17:31:05 2018.

Isnt that what trump did by saying Obama wasnt a US citizen

Or when Trump said thet hillary clinton has a mental disorder?

Is that not also attempts at character assination?

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Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed

Posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Sep 17 17:36:25 2018, in response to Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Sep 17 17:23:00 2018.

figures

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Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed

Posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Sep 17 17:36:42 2018, in response to Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon Sep 17 14:41:42 2018.

lol

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Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed

Posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Sep 17 17:36:55 2018, in response to Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Sep 17 17:25:04 2018.

figures

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Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Sep 17 17:38:26 2018, in response to Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed, posted by ClearAspect on Mon Sep 17 17:35:50 2018.

Lolo Soetoro

Indonesia.

Tempeh.

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Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Sep 17 17:44:23 2018, in response to Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed, posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Sep 17 17:36:55 2018.

FIGURES WHAT ?

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Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Sep 17 17:44:58 2018, in response to Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed, posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Sep 17 17:36:25 2018.

FIGURES WHAT ?

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Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Sep 17 17:45:20 2018, in response to Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed, posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Sep 17 17:36:42 2018.

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Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Sep 17 17:46:09 2018, in response to Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed, posted by ClearAspect on Mon Sep 17 17:35:50 2018.

IAWTP

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Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Sep 17 17:46:52 2018, in response to Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Sep 17 14:47:05 2018.

LOL

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Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed

Posted by Fred G on Mon Sep 17 17:55:07 2018, in response to Kavanaugh vote delayed, posted by Dave on Mon Sep 17 07:32:12 2018.

Maybe this is part of why the GOP wanted to keep his paper trail a big secret.

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Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed

Posted by mtk52983 on Mon Sep 17 18:05:47 2018, in response to Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed, posted by Fred G on Mon Sep 17 17:55:07 2018.

This, no. The big secret is because the record shows that he will legislate from the bench and push “right wing” policy positions even when there is clear text in the Constitution or a law that says otherwise.

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Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Sep 17 18:25:37 2018, in response to Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Sep 17 17:16:26 2018.

I agree! I never thought I would watch the news and the Dow Jones would be over 26,000 points on a bed day!

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Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Sep 17 18:28:36 2018, in response to Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Sep 17 17:31:05 2018.

Well, he DID say he wanted to blow me on a pist here about 2 months ago, so you never know with him. (I really can't blame him, as I am a cute motherfucker!)

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Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed

Posted by bingbong on Mon Sep 17 18:43:48 2018, in response to Kavanaugh vote delayed, posted by Dave on Mon Sep 17 07:32:12 2018.

Yes, he is. We hope. Even in this day and age, misogyny is alive and well. Look at who's president, for one example (and he stands by this contemptible lech). Faith that this will be resolved as it should, with the nominee being either voted down or withdrawn, is scant in light of those facts.

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Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed

Posted by Fred G on Mon Sep 17 18:45:27 2018, in response to Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Sep 17 18:05:47 2018.

I was being less than serious but your post makes sense to me

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Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Sep 17 18:47:47 2018, in response to Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed, posted by bingbong on Mon Sep 17 18:43:48 2018.

Drama alert! Drama alert!!

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Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed

Posted by bingbong on Mon Sep 17 18:48:08 2018, in response to Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Sep 17 18:05:47 2018.

Oh, you mean an "activist judge" like the RWers complain about but sincerely don't exist on the center-left.

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Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed

Posted by bingbong on Mon Sep 17 18:49:21 2018, in response to Re: Kavanaugh vote delayed, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Sep 17 18:47:47 2018.

It's not drama. Heard Anita Hill's take on this. Experience isn't drama.

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