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Posted by Dave on Sun Feb 18 07:25:19 2018 Tax law |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Feb 18 07:47:40 2018, in response to Democrats struggle with rising popularity of GOP tax law, posted by Dave on Sun Feb 18 07:25:19 2018. The democrats need a solid messagePay raises not one time crumb bonus Less debt Better healthcare Thats what the message is they need to hammer home. We have American citizens subsidizing corporations and essentially paying for our own one time bonuses by giving our children a higher national debt. And conservatives cheer for that. Gotta love it. |
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Posted by Mtk52983 on Sun Feb 18 08:17:12 2018, in response to Re: Democrats struggle with rising popularity of GOP tax law, posted by ClearAspect on Sun Feb 18 07:47:40 2018. I didn't know bonuses of 2% or more of yearly salary were "crumbs." I guess if you are Nancy Pelosi you don't like the loss of big tax breaks for real estate so average Americans can make more money. A number of businesses have also announced pay increases. Furthermore, as unemployment shrinks businesses will have to raise wages in order to attract employees. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Feb 18 08:40:11 2018, in response to Re: Democrats struggle with rising popularity of GOP tax law, posted by Mtk52983 on Sun Feb 18 08:17:12 2018. 2% before or after bonus tax sir? Also some bonuses came with caveats such as time in company. Nothing like 20 years or $50 per year of time served. Glad you and Dave enjoy bragging about that one.So you cheer a one time 2%* (put that astersk there for people such as yourself) bonus instead of a substantial raise in wages? Let me educate you on the tax brackets youre bragging about so much The average American saves if theyre single $500 Married filing jointly $669 Head of household $2000 And remember this decreases each year and in 2026 all will pay MORE. Also your last point would work, however if the feds have to quickly raise interest rates due to the overheating economy you basically wipe it out. As borrowing costs soar. Thats what caused the panic over the last few weeks on wall street. So you would need raises in wages to outpace an overheated economy and that would trigger even more raises in the interest rates. You just began a loop. Congratulations, keep cheering for 2% before taxes and a future tax hije and mininal savings for the average american. While corporations get a permanant tax break and save in some cases over $50 billion. While our nation gets more into debt. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Feb 18 08:40:17 2018, in response to Re: Democrats struggle with rising popularity of GOP tax law, posted by ClearAspect on Sun Feb 18 07:47:40 2018. The Democrats have to get a clear message. The "we are not the Republicans", look at how terrible everyone else is, and victim this and that and they are racists isn't a clear message of what THEY can do or are about.Calling everyone racists, and playing up the victim card only gets so far |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Feb 18 08:45:16 2018, in response to Re: Democrats struggle with rising popularity of GOP tax law, posted by Mtk52983 on Sun Feb 18 08:17:12 2018. Furthermore, as unemployment shrinks businesses will have to raise wages in order to attract employees.Yep. We're borrowing money we'll have to repay later at higher interest rates to heat up the economy when it was already doing very well anyway, and stimulate inflation. Beautiful! |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Feb 18 08:46:06 2018, in response to Re: Democrats struggle with rising popularity of GOP tax law, posted by AlM on Sun Feb 18 08:45:16 2018. Mtk cheers 2% one time bonuses, you think he gets it? No sir |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Feb 18 08:46:57 2018, in response to Re: Democrats struggle with rising popularity of GOP tax law, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Feb 18 08:40:17 2018. Mr stereotype is giving advice...Stick to your day job |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Feb 18 08:59:59 2018, in response to Re: Democrats struggle with rising popularity of GOP tax law, posted by Mtk52983 on Sun Feb 18 08:17:12 2018. A "number of businesses" is NOT broad based by any means. Some way too rich Fortune 500 conglomerate announces 2% raises so that makes it okay for millions?As corporate earning come on as November gets closer this story will change. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Sun Feb 18 09:02:48 2018, in response to Re: Democrats struggle with rising popularity of GOP tax law, posted by bingbong on Sun Feb 18 08:59:59 2018. You are correct. Democrats should campaign on a platform if higher taxes, more government give aways and slow growth. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Feb 18 09:04:28 2018, in response to Re: Democrats struggle with rising popularity of GOP tax law, posted by ClearAspect on Sun Feb 18 08:40:11 2018. Add to that the 8000 lb gorilla.....the loss of state/local tax deductions. That will seriously harm the middle class. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Sun Feb 18 09:10:31 2018, in response to Re: Democrats struggle with rising popularity of GOP tax law, posted by bingbong on Sun Feb 18 09:04:28 2018. Yes,you are correct once again. The federal government should encourage local and state government inefficiency by having states without those inefficiencies subsidize them. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 18 09:58:52 2018, in response to Re: Democrats struggle with rising popularity of GOP tax law, posted by ClearAspect on Sun Feb 18 08:46:57 2018. Why don't you go stick it up your ass. |
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Posted by Dave on Sun Feb 18 10:43:13 2018, in response to Re: Democrats struggle with rising popularity of GOP tax law, posted by ClearAspect on Sun Feb 18 08:40:11 2018. Numerous companies have raised wages in addition to giving a bonus. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Feb 18 10:55:44 2018, in response to Re: Democrats struggle with rising popularity of GOP tax law, posted by Dave on Sun Feb 18 10:43:13 2018. Isn't most of them. Should be all of them. Until it IS, this economic rebound isn't.It's just like the eighties. Where's the better music? We need better music. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Feb 18 11:09:38 2018, in response to Re: Democrats struggle with rising popularity of GOP tax law, posted by bingbong on Sun Feb 18 10:55:44 2018. More thrash metal! |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Feb 18 11:55:16 2018, in response to Re: Democrats struggle with rising popularity of GOP tax law, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Feb 18 11:09:38 2018. I said better |
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Posted by Dave on Sun Feb 18 11:57:25 2018, in response to Re: Democrats struggle with rising popularity of GOP tax law, posted by bingbong on Sun Feb 18 10:55:44 2018. LOL! When did you last raise wages for your employees? |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Feb 18 11:59:52 2018, in response to Re: Democrats struggle with rising popularity of GOP tax law, posted by Dave on Sun Feb 18 11:57:25 2018. I haven't had employees for over ten years now. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Feb 18 12:07:38 2018, in response to Re: Democrats struggle with rising popularity of GOP tax law, posted by bingbong on Sun Feb 18 11:55:16 2018. I know you did. Which is why I said more thrash metal. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Feb 18 12:12:17 2018, in response to Re: Democrats struggle with rising popularity of GOP tax law, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Feb 18 12:07:38 2018. I said better. I meant it. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Feb 18 12:21:00 2018, in response to Re: Democrats struggle with rising popularity of GOP tax law, posted by Mtk52983 on Sun Feb 18 08:17:12 2018. A $1000 bonus is roughly $.50 an hour over 1 year. Your 2% figure means you’re talking about 50,000 a year salary or roughly 25 bucks an hour. If somebody gave me $1000 I wouldn’t call it crumbs. But I would also know that it’s not the same as giving me a raise so in the long term it is kind of chump change. That and you watched Wall Street cough once they started seeing workers getting some money. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Feb 18 12:24:07 2018, in response to Re: Democrats struggle with rising popularity of GOP tax law, posted by bingbong on Sun Feb 18 12:12:17 2018. But there is no better. That is the Pinnacle, the Apex, the Zenith, the top, the Trump! |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Feb 18 12:28:25 2018, in response to Re: Democrats struggle with rising popularity of GOP tax law, posted by Fred G on Sun Feb 18 12:21:00 2018. You'd think Wall Street would have figured out by now, that higher wages are actually good for the economy... |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Feb 18 12:45:02 2018, in response to Re: Democrats struggle with rising popularity of GOP tax law, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Feb 18 12:28:25 2018. Cancer is more popular |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Feb 18 12:48:08 2018, in response to Re: Democrats struggle with rising popularity of GOP tax law, posted by bingbong on Sun Feb 18 10:55:44 2018. Once the smoke cleared in the 80’s Wall Street got rich and the middle class was mortally wounded. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 18 12:56:13 2018, in response to Re: Democrats struggle with rising popularity of GOP tax law, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Feb 18 08:40:17 2018. Yes, so far in the wrong direction. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Feb 18 13:23:04 2018, in response to Re: Democrats struggle with rising popularity of GOP tax law, posted by Dave on Sun Feb 18 10:43:13 2018. How many Dave.... |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Feb 18 13:25:13 2018, in response to Re: Democrats struggle with rising popularity of GOP tax law, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Feb 18 12:24:07 2018. Man you did a good job of listing trash. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Feb 18 13:31:35 2018, in response to Re: Democrats struggle with rising popularity of GOP tax law, posted by ClearAspect on Sun Feb 18 13:25:13 2018. The ClearAspect! |
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Posted by Dave on Sun Feb 18 17:59:51 2018, in response to Re: Democrats struggle with rising popularity of GOP tax law, posted by bingbong on Sun Feb 18 11:59:52 2018. Exactly. So then why are you telling other employers how to run their business or what to pay their employees? It's like someone bitching about election results when they didn't vote. |
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Posted by Dave on Sun Feb 18 18:01:56 2018, in response to Re: Democrats struggle with rising popularity of GOP tax law, posted by Fred G on Sun Feb 18 12:48:08 2018. Try again, Fred. Over the 1990s (1989-2000) median income among the middle class was up almost 10%, or about $5,200. |
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Posted by Dave on Sun Feb 18 18:03:07 2018, in response to Re: Democrats struggle with rising popularity of GOP tax law, posted by ClearAspect on Sun Feb 18 13:23:04 2018. Easily found on the internet and I think I posted it a few weeks ago. Feel free to do your own research. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Feb 18 18:34:31 2018, in response to Re: Democrats struggle with rising popularity of GOP tax law, posted by Dave on Sun Feb 18 18:03:07 2018. Easily found on the internetWhat I find on the internet in a quick search is that there are 30 million companies in the US and that 100 have given bonuses. |
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Posted by Dave on Sun Feb 18 18:47:45 2018, in response to Re: Democrats struggle with rising popularity of GOP tax law, posted by AlM on Sun Feb 18 18:34:31 2018. He asked about wage increase, not bonuses. And it's only companies that have publicly reported giving bonuses and/or wage increases; what we'll never know is how many companies have raised wages without reporting it to the media. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Feb 18 18:50:35 2018, in response to Re: Democrats struggle with rising popularity of GOP tax law, posted by Dave on Sun Feb 18 18:47:45 2018. what we'll never know is how many companies have raised wages without reporting it to the mediaWhich contradicts your statement that the number is easily findable on the internet. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Feb 18 18:51:01 2018, in response to Re: Democrats struggle with rising popularity of GOP tax law, posted by Dave on Sun Feb 18 18:47:45 2018. We would find out as they would have to report it to investors |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Feb 18 18:52:28 2018, in response to Re: Democrats struggle with rising popularity of GOP tax law, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Feb 18 12:24:07 2018. Yes there is. Just about anyone. But you’re a trumper no matter what, I do think you're lying about your vote. Which is par for the trumper course....Five times daily. |
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Posted by Dave on Sun Feb 18 18:55:36 2018, in response to Re: Democrats struggle with rising popularity of GOP tax law, posted by ClearAspect on Sun Feb 18 18:51:01 2018. Only public companies are required to, not privately owned companies. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Feb 18 18:56:02 2018, in response to Re: Democrats struggle with rising popularity of GOP tax law, posted by Dave on Sun Feb 18 18:01:56 2018. And we're suppos3d to be giddy because 2% [SIC] of the workforce got a one shot 2% bonus? LOL! |
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Posted by Dave on Sun Feb 18 18:56:33 2018, in response to Re: Democrats struggle with rising popularity of GOP tax law, posted by AlM on Sun Feb 18 18:50:35 2018. No it doesn't. Some information is better than none, and that information is available on the web. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Feb 18 18:57:24 2018, in response to Re: Democrats struggle with rising popularity of GOP tax law, posted by Dave on Sun Feb 18 18:55:36 2018. So like AIM says you contradict yourself |
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Posted by Dave on Sun Feb 18 19:09:51 2018, in response to Re: Democrats struggle with rising popularity of GOP tax law, posted by bingbong on Sun Feb 18 18:56:02 2018. Which has nothing to do with Fred's post. One again you can't keep on topic. Try increasing your ADHD medication. |
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Posted by Dave on Sun Feb 18 19:11:01 2018, in response to Re: Democrats struggle with rising popularity of GOP tax law, posted by ClearAspect on Sun Feb 18 18:57:24 2018. See my reply to his post. Stop being lazy and do your own on-line research instead of demanding others to do it for you. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Feb 18 19:20:28 2018, in response to Re: Democrats struggle with rising popularity of GOP tax law, posted by Dave on Sun Feb 18 17:59:51 2018. WTF did that come from? I point out how limited the bonuses and raises are compared to the whole working population and suddenly I'm a secret consultant to the Fortune 500? WTF is MY check then? I don't do that for free! |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Feb 18 19:27:26 2018, in response to Re: Democrats struggle with rising popularity of GOP tax law, posted by Dave on Sun Feb 18 19:09:51 2018. Has everything to do with Fred's post. In the 1990s, income expansion was broad based. Just about everyone saw incomes rise. This applies to a small but extremely hyped up minority and it's one fifth of the growth then.Call me when we see wage expansion like the 90s, and equally broadly. we Won' out of trump, or his tax cut. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Feb 18 19:35:56 2018, in response to Re: Democrats struggle with rising popularity of GOP tax law, posted by Dave on Sun Feb 18 19:11:01 2018. https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/02/10/business/economy/bonus-pay.htmlI just want you to keep dancing for me |
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Posted by Dave on Sun Feb 18 21:20:05 2018, in response to Re: Democrats struggle with rising popularity of GOP tax law, posted by bingbong on Sun Feb 18 19:20:28 2018. You have no idea how widespread or not bonuses and raises have been since the tax law passed. That was what I was trying to say, albeit not very well! |
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Posted by Dave on Sun Feb 18 21:23:44 2018, in response to Re: Democrats struggle with rising popularity of GOP tax law, posted by bingbong on Sun Feb 18 19:27:26 2018. No, it had nothing to do with his post. Fred posted:"Once the smoke cleared in the 80’s Wall Street got rich and the middle class was mortally wounded." I responded with data showing the middle class was not mortally wounded after the 1980's. Your followup to that post had nothing to do with this discussion. You're referring to the post 1990's period, 2000- 2009 and later. That's not what I was addressing. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Feb 18 21:26:43 2018, in response to Re: Democrats struggle with rising popularity of GOP tax law, posted by Dave on Sun Feb 18 18:01:56 2018. Nominal or real income? |
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