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Posted by Fred G on Wed Aug 16 06:03:14 2017  
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Re: Balti7more |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Aug 16 06:44:55 2017, in response to Baltimore, posted by Fred G on Wed Aug 16 06:03:14 2017. Censorship and sanitizing the past is IS AMERICAN and wrong. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Aug 16 06:45:15 2017, in response to Baltimore, posted by Fred G on Wed Aug 16 06:03:14 2017. Censorship and sanitizing the past is UN AMERICAN and wrong. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Wed Aug 16 06:47:08 2017, in response to Re: Balti7more, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Aug 16 06:45:15 2017. Whats sanitizing? We removed statues honoring traitors. The history books tell of their atroicites to our nation. Whats the censorship part? |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Aug 16 07:09:57 2017, in response to Re: Balti7more, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Aug 16 06:45:15 2017. Wrong. It's removing a statue that was placed there to stick it to black Americans. Time to take out the trash. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Aug 16 07:20:29 2017, in response to Re: Balti7more, posted by ClearAspect on Wed Aug 16 06:47:08 2017. They are United States veterans. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Aug 16 07:21:14 2017, in response to Re: Baltimore, posted by Fred G on Wed Aug 16 07:09:57 2017. Do you really think that's why those statues were erected? I guarantee if there was no blacks that will left in his country after slavery, and they will all sent back to Africa, the same statues would be in place. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Wed Aug 16 07:23:43 2017, in response to Re: Balti7more, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Aug 16 07:20:29 2017. No |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Aug 16 07:28:17 2017, in response to Re: Balti7more, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Aug 16 07:20:29 2017. false😂😂😂 |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Aug 16 07:46:26 2017, in response to Re: Baltimore, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Aug 16 07:21:14 2017. Most of those statues were mass produced and installed all over the south in the 20th century. The one in Durham was one of those, as you can see how easily it tipped over.No they were installed to stick it to the Negro. People who lose wars don't erect statues to remind them. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Aug 16 07:57:04 2017, in response to Re: Balti7more, posted by Fred G on Wed Aug 16 07:28:17 2017. Well they showed up paid like they were, and same with their widows |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Aug 16 07:57:25 2017, in response to Re: Balti7more, posted by Fred G on Wed Aug 16 07:28:17 2017. Well they sure got paid like they were, and same with their widows |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Aug 16 07:58:03 2017, in response to Re: Baltimore, posted by Fred G on Wed Aug 16 07:46:26 2017. So basically what you're telling me is just your speculation, with no proof whatsoever. Got it. |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Aug 16 08:04:32 2017, in response to Re: Baltimore, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Aug 16 07:58:03 2017. No I read that in an article. I'm not like you. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Aug 16 08:11:28 2017, in response to Re: Baltimore, posted by Fred G on Wed Aug 16 08:04:32 2017. That's correct. Most of those statues were placed 1890-1940. In fact, Robert E Lee detested "war memorials" overall. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Aug 16 08:11:52 2017, in response to Re: Balti7more, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Aug 16 06:45:15 2017. The South lost the Civil War 152 years ago, and it was about secession and traitors. So get over it. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Aug 16 08:14:40 2017, in response to Re: Balti7more, posted by Joe V on Wed Aug 16 08:11:52 2017. I couldn't give a shit, it just annoys me that the classic New York "liberals" just whine and kvetch about it. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Aug 16 08:15:38 2017, in response to Re: Baltimore, posted by Fred G on Wed Aug 16 08:04:32 2017. I'm talking about the stick it to the Negroes part! Not when they were put up. |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Aug 16 08:17:04 2017, in response to Re: Baltimore, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Aug 16 08:15:38 2017. I have read that too. It was part of Jim Crow. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Aug 16 08:20:09 2017, in response to Re: Balti7more, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Aug 16 08:14:40 2017. Confederate flags and related statues are coming down all over the south. You already forgot what Saturday was all about in Charlottesville. There is nothing "liberal" about it. But you make it clear to me you can either be an American or a Republican, as long as Trump is around, and Congress is run by robots and wimps, but not both at the same time. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Aug 16 08:20:12 2017, in response to Re: Balti7more, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Aug 16 06:45:15 2017. Which is what those statues do, yunno. Presents an inapprpriate picture of the Ciil War, which the south LOST. Since when do losers get honors? |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Aug 16 08:21:49 2017, in response to Re: Baltimore, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Aug 16 08:15:38 2017. That's a lot of the reason why publc space was turned over to the private groups that erected these statues. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Aug 16 08:23:18 2017, in response to Re: Baltimore, posted by Fred G on Wed Aug 16 08:17:04 2017. If you remember the Greenport Scoot in the early 1970's. The train was 1 car, usually an ex-KCS car LIRR #8573. On KCS, it was a Jim Crow car, with a partition across the middle. LIRR used it as a Smoking/Non-Smoking divider. |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Aug 16 08:29:16 2017, in response to Re: Baltimore, posted by Joe V on Wed Aug 16 08:23:18 2017. I never rode them but have heard the P&W in Philly had same divided cars. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Aug 16 08:29:35 2017, in response to Re: Balti7more, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Aug 16 06:45:15 2017. Rommel was great general too, you see statues of him in europe ?? |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Wed Aug 16 08:46:24 2017, in response to Re: Baltimore, posted by Joe V on Wed Aug 16 08:23:18 2017. Wow! Any photos? |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Wed Aug 16 08:59:29 2017, in response to Baltimore, posted by Fred G on Wed Aug 16 06:03:14 2017. White guys....I wonder how big the swat team was to protect them from going into Baltimore considering that cities bigotted reputation. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Aug 16 09:06:00 2017, in response to Re: Baltimore, posted by ClearAspect on Wed Aug 16 08:46:24 2017. I don't know of any. Google around. |
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Posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Aug 16 09:17:33 2017, in response to Re: Baltimore, posted by ClearAspect on Wed Aug 16 08:46:24 2017. The Wainscott LIRR Station (between Bridgehampton and East Hampton) had separate waiting areas for Blacks and Whites.
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Aug 16 09:54:15 2017, in response to Re: Balti7more, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Aug 16 06:45:15 2017. Censorship and sanitizing the past is UN AMERICAN and wrong.I agree completely. Celebrating Confederates as heroes and patriots is sanitizing history, and removing these symbols is the patriotic thing to do. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Aug 16 10:01:07 2017, in response to Re: Balti7more, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Aug 16 09:54:15 2017. I think we should erect statues and monuments to Benedict Arnold. I mean lets not erase history. After all he fought valiantly in Ticonderoga and the Battle of Quebec for the Colonies before he went to the other side. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Wed Aug 16 10:01:38 2017, in response to Re: Balti7more, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Aug 16 09:54:15 2017. I didn't really know statues celebrate anything. I thought they just commemorate things.Secondly, this myth of traitorism. Those confederates, who have long passed on, say the same thing about the North. That's why they faught, against who they saw as constitutional traitors. Thirdly, why are black separatists, usually the ones protesting the inanimate objects passionately, not seen as traitors? Does anyone here have their Washiteria passports? |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Aug 16 10:04:25 2017, in response to Re: Balti7more, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Aug 16 06:45:15 2017. I'm good with statues to Lee as long as the plaque includes the word "traitor." As you said, we shouldn't sanitize the past. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Aug 16 10:05:16 2017, in response to Re: Balti7more, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Aug 16 09:54:15 2017. Haha, I hadn't even read this yet.The Durham monument was funded by a local chapter of the United Daughters of the Confederacy (UDC). Founded in 1894, the UDC was central to remaking public spaces in the South and to spreading the "sanitized gospel of the Lost Cause," well into end of the following century. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Aug 16 10:11:10 2017, in response to Re: Balti7more, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Aug 16 10:01:07 2017. I think we should erect statues and monuments to Benedict Arnold. I mean lets not erase history. After all he fought valiantly in Ticonderoga and the Battle of Quebec for the Colonies before he went to the other side.There are monuments commemorating the good Arnold did fighting for this country. Confederates fought against this country. It's like erecting a monument to George III on the National Mall. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Aug 16 10:17:32 2017, in response to Re: Balti7more, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Aug 16 09:54:15 2017. Who said they were heroes? And they were patriots to their own side during the war. The poor white trash sharecroppers who will basically invented servants to the plantations certainly did not own slaves and they certainly did not benefit at all from slavery. The bottom line is everybody on this board knows damn well why this is being done. It's because we live in politically correct 2017. L once they come for this, they will be a new thing they come for. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Aug 16 10:22:29 2017, in response to Re: Balti7more, posted by AlM on Wed Aug 16 10:04:25 2017. I agree! |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Aug 16 10:23:47 2017, in response to Re: Balti7more, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Aug 16 10:17:32 2017. Who said they were heroes?The folks who erected the monuments. And they were patriots to their own side during the war. Tojo was a patriot to his side during the war. Should we erect a monument to him at Pearl Harbor? The poor white trash sharecroppers who will basically invented servants to the plantations certainly did not own slaves and they certainly did not benefit at all from slavery. What does that have to do with the generals who fought against our country for the right to own slaves? The bottom line is everybody on this board knows damn well why this is being done. Yes, to desanitize history. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Aug 16 10:43:29 2017, in response to Re: Balti7more, posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Aug 16 08:29:35 2017. I've never been to Europe before, so I cannot answer that question. Nor have I ever had any interest of seeing statues of anybody, whether or not they are German military personnel, Roman generals, Etc. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Wed Aug 16 10:44:42 2017, in response to Re: Balti7more, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Aug 16 10:43:29 2017. Dodging |
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Posted by WayneJay on Wed Aug 16 10:48:05 2017, in response to Re: Balti7more, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Aug 16 06:45:15 2017. I side with having these sort of things in a museum setting, but not prominently displayed out in plazas/parks and such. In fact I think it's important that history, both good and bad be preserved. As a black male it was sad to learn of Jim Crow era injustices and such. Having parents from the south, it was absolutely chilling to hear stuff directly from them (and grandparents) about what they saw and experienced as part of their daily lives.Seeing actual signage, nooses, shackles and such in the museum was one thing, but I sure as heck don't want to see any of the stuff displayed in public (other than a museum). Similarly, I remember how I felt the first time visiting the Holocaust museum, and can only imagine that a jewish person wouldn't want to see those item other than them being preserved in a museum/history book and such. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Aug 16 10:48:14 2017, in response to Re: Balti7more, posted by bingbong on Wed Aug 16 08:20:12 2017. This is something that the government should have put a stop to in the twentieth century when these statues are being put up. Not wait until we live in a pussified Society where everything and everyone is offended at everything. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Aug 16 10:49:35 2017, in response to Re: Balti7more, posted by Joe V on Wed Aug 16 08:20:09 2017. What did I forget about Saturday? I happen to be a Democrat. I also happened to vote for Johnson in the last election. I'm not falling apart on the floor in the heat crying and rocking back and forth. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 16 10:54:02 2017, in response to Re: Balti7more, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Aug 16 06:44:55 2017. Yes, which is why Maryland, a union state, should have never had Confederate monuments in the first place. |
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Posted by Dand124 on Wed Aug 16 11:05:32 2017, in response to Re: Balti7more, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Aug 16 06:45:15 2017. They should have left the Taney statue and only the Taney statue up. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Aug 16 11:10:07 2017, in response to Re: Balti7more, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Aug 16 10:49:35 2017. Your forgot that was about taking down a Lee statue. That was not a NY liberal thing. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Aug 16 11:12:19 2017, in response to Re: Balti7more, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Aug 16 10:48:14 2017. Yes offended, at kidnapping people from another continent, enslaving them, then putting up statues to celebrate separating their the union to continue it. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Aug 16 11:15:18 2017, in response to Re: Balti7more, posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Aug 16 08:29:35 2017. Rommel was great general tooFigured you'd think so. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Aug 16 11:15:46 2017, in response to Baltimore, posted by Fred G on Wed Aug 16 06:03:14 2017. You hate that flag, dontcha? |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Aug 16 11:16:33 2017, in response to Re: Balti7more, posted by AlM on Wed Aug 16 10:04:25 2017. We should only remind of the horrors of the past through solemn places, such as Holocaust Museums, to EDUCATE what happened.Quite different than putting up a statue of a Nazi, which is celebrating what happened. |
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