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North Korea Backs Off Guam Missile-Attack Threat
Posted by Dave on Mon Aug 14 22:33:55 2017 SEOUL—North Korean leader Kim Jong Un has decided not to launch a threatened missile attack on Guam, Pyongyang’s state media reported on Tuesday, but warned that he could change his mind “if the Yankees persist in their extremely dangerous reckless actions.” The report, published early Tuesday, could help dial back tensions that had spiraled last week following an exchange of threats between North Korea and U.S. President Donald Trump. Mr. Trump warned Pyongyang last week that the U.S. military was “locked and loaded” and could engulf the North in “fire and fury,” while North Korea, through its state media, had threatened to fire four missiles in a bid to surround the U.S. territory of Guam in “enveloping fire.” North Korean state media said in its report Tuesday that Mr. Kim had made his decision not to fire on Guam after visiting a military command post and examining a military plan presented to him by his senior officers. While Mr. Kim said he had decided not to launch the attack on Guam yet, he advised the U.S. “to take into full account” whether the current standoff was to its benefit. He also said it was incumbent on the U.S. to “stop at once arrogant provocations against the DPRK and unilateral demands and not provoke it any longer,” using an abbreviation for the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, the formal name for North Korea. “If the Yankees persist in their extremely dangerous reckless actions on the Korean Peninsula and in its vicinity, testing the self-restraint of the DPRK, the [North] will make an important decision as it already declared,” the report quoted Mr. Kim as saying. Mr. Kim added that the planned launch could still be carried out at any moment, and said that such a strike would be a “most delightful historic moment” that would “wring the windpipes of the Yankees and point daggers at their necks.” https://www.wsj.com/articles/north-korea-backs-off-guam-missile-attack-threat-1502751054
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Posted by Fred G* on Mon Aug 14 22:50:55 2017, in response to North Korea Backs Off Guam Missile-Attack Threat, posted by Dave on Mon Aug 14 22:33:55 2017.* God Bless The Peoples Republic of China!
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Posted by AlM* on Mon Aug 14 23:16:24 2017, in response to Re: North Korea Backs Off Guam Missile-Attack Threat, posted by Fred G on Mon Aug 14 22:50:55 2017.* In this case, more likely that he knew the likelihood of success was poor.
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Posted by Fred G* on Mon Aug 14 23:27:01 2017, in response to Re: North Korea Backs Off Guam Missile-Attack Threat, posted by AlM on Mon Aug 14 23:16:24 2017.* They probably showed him footage of his failing missiles.
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Posted by SLRT* on Tue Aug 15 09:41:44 2017, in response to Re: North Korea Backs Off Guam Missile-Attack Threat, posted by Fred G on Mon Aug 14 23:27:01 2017.* He's probably more afraid that any U.S. response might hit him, personally. That's all someone like him is really afraid of.
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Posted by AlM* on Tue Aug 15 09:45:13 2017, in response to Re: North Korea Backs Off Guam Missile-Attack Threat, posted by SLRT on Tue Aug 15 09:41:44 2017.* But he's seriously mentally ill. The real danger for millions of South Koreans is that he decides to commit suicide. If we could be sure he would never commit suicide, then he'd be pretty harmless, but we're not sure. It's also why goading him into committing suicide is not good policy.
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Posted by R2ChinaTown* on Tue Aug 15 09:51:42 2017, in response to Re: North Korea Backs Off Guam Missile-Attack Threat, posted by Fred G on Mon Aug 14 22:50:55 2017.* No. God bless Barack Obama. After 8 years of a pussy in the White House, the contrast of having a real leader there now obviously scared the shit out of little Kim
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Posted by Stephen Bauman* on Tue Aug 15 09:57:35 2017, in response to North Korea Backs Off Guam Missile-Attack Threat, posted by Dave on Mon Aug 14 22:33:55 2017.* North Korea is still able to perfect and build more missiles. The only thing accomplished is that Kim won't brag about it. Getting a deal from North Korea to stop building/deploying nuclear tipped missiles will take time and there will have to be a quid pro quo. Let's not prematurely declare, "mission accomplished." We still have not extricated ourselves from that one.
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Posted by Fred G* on Tue Aug 15 09:59:22 2017, in response to Re: North Korea Backs Off Guam Missile-Attack Threat, posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Aug 15 09:51:42 2017.* China handed Trump a softball. As for you calling somebody a pussy. LOFL
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Tue Aug 15 10:00:20 2017, in response to Re: North Korea Backs Off Guam Missile-Attack Threat, posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Aug 15 09:51:42 2017.* A real leader in China. God knows that Trump isn't a real leader.
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Posted by SLRT* on Tue Aug 15 10:20:22 2017, in response to Re: North Korea Backs Off Guam Missile-Attack Threat, posted by AlM on Tue Aug 15 09:45:13 2017.* I agree he's seriously mentally ill. I also think he's not in touch with reality ... but ... I don't think he's consciously suicidal.
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Posted by Fred G* on Tue Aug 15 10:33:06 2017, in response to Re: North Korea Backs Off Guam Missile-Attack Threat, posted by SLRT on Tue Aug 15 10:20:22 2017.* He listens to China and they steered him in the right direction.
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Posted by AlM* on Tue Aug 15 10:38:35 2017, in response to Re: North Korea Backs Off Guam Missile-Attack Threat, posted by SLRT on Tue Aug 15 10:20:22 2017.* I don't think he's consciously suicidal Are you willing to bet quite a few million South Korean lives on being right? Especially if he is being goaded and made to feel like there's no way out? A guy who holds a bunch of hostages isn't necessarily suicidal. But the hostages can still end up dead if the police don't handle it right.
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Posted by SLRT* on Tue Aug 15 10:58:24 2017, in response to Re: North Korea Backs Off Guam Missile-Attack Threat, posted by AlM on Tue Aug 15 10:38:35 2017.* You're talking about this like it's an ordinary hostage situation. Do you know of any hostage situation in which the police will mollify the hostage-taker and then offer to walk away. And then do it?
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Posted by AlM* on Tue Aug 15 11:04:36 2017, in response to Re: North Korea Backs Off Guam Missile-Attack Threat, posted by SLRT on Tue Aug 15 10:58:24 2017.* It's an "ordinary" hostage situation multiplied a million-fold. No one is suggesting walking away. That surely doesn't work. The ideal goal here is to eliminate the hostage-taker without losing any hostages. But no one knows how to do that. A second best goal might be to reduce the power of the hostage-taker to hurt the hostages.
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Posted by jimmymc25* on Tue Aug 15 11:06:47 2017, in response to Re: North Korea Backs Off Guam Missile-Attack Threat, posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Aug 15 09:51:42 2017.* Thanks for the laugh of the day
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Posted by jimmymc25* on Tue Aug 15 11:07:40 2017, in response to Re: North Korea Backs Off Guam Missile-Attack Threat, posted by Fred G on Tue Aug 15 09:59:22 2017.* TRUTH!!!!
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Posted by SLRT* on Tue Aug 15 11:15:36 2017, in response to Re: North Korea Backs Off Guam Missile-Attack Threat, posted by AlM on Tue Aug 15 11:04:36 2017.* Nobody has an idea how to do the second best goal either. With ordinary dictators you can always hope he'll die, but in North Korea, the dictator dies and a new one pops up. Common sense would say that if he continues down his current road, a coup d'etat will take care of him, but he is too willing to take out anyone who looks sideways at him long before anyone can 'gin up a conspiracy.
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Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Tue Aug 15 11:43:21 2017, in response to North Korea Backs Off Guam Missile-Attack Threat, posted by Dave on Mon Aug 14 22:33:55 2017.* Can you imagine if Hillary had won???
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim* on Tue Aug 15 12:00:09 2017, in response to Re: North Korea Backs Off Guam Missile-Attack Threat, posted by Fred G on Mon Aug 14 22:50:55 2017.* Had to be someone from afar that got to this psycho. If someone close to him advised him to back off or otherwise disagree with his policies, they'd become instant casualties.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Tue Aug 15 12:44:06 2017, in response to Re: North Korea Backs Off Guam Missile-Attack Threat, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Aug 15 11:43:21 2017.* There never would have been a standoff in the first place!
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Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Tue Aug 15 12:51:30 2017, in response to Re: North Korea Backs Off Guam Missile-Attack Threat, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 15 12:44:06 2017.* And do you know WHY????
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Posted by Fred G* on Tue Aug 15 12:57:54 2017, in response to Re: North Korea Backs Off Guam Missile-Attack Threat, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Aug 15 12:00:09 2017.* Honestly I think the whole "psycho" thing is a US drama queen approach. I think he's a cold calculating prick who relies on China for everything.
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Posted by Fred G* on Tue Aug 15 13:00:28 2017, in response to Re: North Korea Backs Off Guam Missile-Attack Threat, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Aug 15 11:43:21 2017.* Would have been over in 24 hours. Phone call to China, yadda yadda yadda. No small hands approach for a big hands job.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Tue Aug 15 13:07:42 2017, in response to Re: North Korea Backs Off Guam Missile-Attack Threat, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Aug 15 12:51:30 2017.* Why?
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris* on Tue Aug 15 13:14:08 2017, in response to Re: North Korea Backs Off Guam Missile-Attack Threat, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 15 12:44:06 2017.* No, we would just continue to let him get more and more.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Tue Aug 15 13:18:06 2017, in response to Re: North Korea Backs Off Guam Missile-Attack Threat, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Aug 15 13:14:08 2017.* As opposed to what we're doing now? Kim will only work even harder on nuclear weapons.
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Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Tue Aug 15 13:27:47 2017, in response to Re: North Korea Backs Off Guam Missile-Attack Threat, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 15 13:07:42 2017.* Because it would be business as usual with the clintons. Why worry about North Korea having nukes when it could be someone else's problem? Bill Clinton, both Bush's, and Obama just passed the problem along until the buck stopped with Donald Trump.
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Posted by R2ChinaTown* on Tue Aug 15 13:49:20 2017, in response to Re: North Korea Backs Off Guam Missile-Attack Threat, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Aug 15 13:27:47 2017.* Not to mention that Slick Willy caused the problem with his North Korea nuclear deal in 1994. By the way, the same pattern as the SCUMBAMA/Iran nuclear deal.
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Posted by orange blossom special* on Tue Aug 15 14:13:02 2017, in response to North Korea Backs Off Guam Missile-Attack Threat, posted by Dave on Mon Aug 14 22:33:55 2017.* Everyone not glued to the internet news cycle 24/7 isn't really surprised at all.
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Posted by orange blossom special* on Tue Aug 15 14:14:17 2017, in response to Re: North Korea Backs Off Guam Missile-Attack Threat, posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Aug 15 09:51:42 2017.* Now we see in action that the left would be on the DRPK's side. The country that exports weapons to middle-eastern terrorists.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Tue Aug 15 14:19:45 2017, in response to Re: North Korea Backs Off Guam Missile-Attack Threat, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Aug 15 13:27:47 2017.* Nothing stopped. If anything, Kim is emboldened because he realizes he needs nukes to stay in power.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Tue Aug 15 14:30:25 2017, in response to Re: North Korea Backs Off Guam Missile-Attack Threat, posted by orange blossom special on Tue Aug 15 14:13:02 2017.* Especially the ones screaming "Trump's about to start WWIII" the loudest.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Tue Aug 15 14:45:15 2017, in response to Re: North Korea Backs Off Guam Missile-Attack Threat, posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Aug 15 13:49:20 2017.* Exact same pattern. Funny how that administration pretended to reject "racism" and yet they orchestrate the JCPOA in exactly the same way as a big friend and ally of Robert Byrd orchestrated the DPRK nuke "deal".
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Posted by SMAZ* on Tue Aug 15 14:46:46 2017, in response to Re: North Korea Backs Off Guam Missile-Attack Threat, posted by Fred G on Tue Aug 15 12:57:54 2017.* I agree
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Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Tue Aug 15 14:51:06 2017, in response to Re: North Korea Backs Off Guam Missile-Attack Threat, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 15 14:19:45 2017.* I think he's scared of us.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Tue Aug 15 14:58:44 2017, in response to Re: North Korea Backs Off Guam Missile-Attack Threat, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Aug 15 14:51:06 2017.* Yes, but that's bad, not good.
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Posted by SLRT* on Tue Aug 15 15:37:21 2017, in response to Re: North Korea Backs Off Guam Missile-Attack Threat, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Aug 15 09:57:35 2017.* Getting a deal from North Korea to stop building/deploying nuclear tipped missiles will take time and there will have to be a quid pro quo. We've had such deals; or at least deals to stop the intermediate steps that allowed North Korea to reach this stage. Not worth the paper they're written on.
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Posted by AlM* on Tue Aug 15 15:39:39 2017, in response to Re: North Korea Backs Off Guam Missile-Attack Threat, posted by SLRT on Tue Aug 15 15:37:21 2017.* Well, let us know when you think of the permanent solution to the problem that doesn't involve a million dead South Koreans.
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Posted by orange blossom special* on Tue Aug 15 15:44:40 2017, in response to Re: North Korea Backs Off Guam Missile-Attack Threat, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Aug 15 14:30:25 2017.* I just saw 10 headlines/online articles about the Guam/Trump subject.* Every single one of them looked like a BBC article about Israel. The terror supporting DRPK wasn't the bad guy in all of them. *It may as well have been solely about Guam and Trump. Kim wasn't the evil one in any of them.
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim* on Tue Aug 15 16:05:36 2017, in response to Re: North Korea Backs Off Guam Missile-Attack Threat, posted by Fred G on Tue Aug 15 12:57:54 2017.* Maybe...maybe not. Not being a shrink Ill be stickin my neck out somewhat here. His record of atrocities, cold blooded execuitions of friends, foe & relations for simple things as not clapping loud enough as he passes by, topped off by thinking that he can destroy the United Stated in a nuclear exchange cannot possibly be thoughts & actions produced by a sound mind. I agree that he is a cold calculating prick...a cold calculating prick who is insane. The sooner he gets taken out the better.
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Posted by ClearAspect* on Tue Aug 15 16:09:28 2017, in response to North Korea Backs Off Guam Missile-Attack Threat, posted by Dave on Mon Aug 14 22:33:55 2017.* People dont think. If Kim jung un wanted to start shit, hed need not send a missile to guam, he can point a SCUD right at Seoul. If he wanted war, he could start it at any time by destroying Seoul and the 30000 american troops stationed in South Korea. He knows he would die in a war. If he was fatalist then we wouldve been at war already..
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Posted by SLRT* on Tue Aug 15 16:11:24 2017, in response to Re: North Korea Backs Off Guam Missile-Attack Threat, posted by AlM on Tue Aug 15 15:39:39 2017.* No, you let me know. I didn't favor the sops to North Korea going back over 20 years. Now the can has been kicked as far as it can go and you're asking me for the solution?
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Posted by AlM* on Tue Aug 15 16:16:58 2017, in response to Re: North Korea Backs Off Guam Missile-Attack Threat, posted by SLRT on Tue Aug 15 16:11:24 2017.* I didn't favor the sops to North Korea going back over 20 years. You would have preferred a North Korean artillery barrage on Seoul 20 years ago?
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Posted by SLRT* on Tue Aug 15 16:23:43 2017, in response to Re: North Korea Backs Off Guam Missile-Attack Threat, posted by AlM on Tue Aug 15 16:16:58 2017.* You prefer a nuclear barrage of the United States now or in the future because we didn't have a military barrage of Seoul 20 years ago? And I think you've indicated that you would have preferred the hundreds of thousands of western (and probably Japanese as well) deaths in WWII rather than end the war with the Atomic Bomb in 1945.
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Posted by ClearAspect* on Tue Aug 15 16:34:02 2017, in response to Re: North Korea Backs Off Guam Missile-Attack Threat, posted by SLRT on Tue Aug 15 16:23:43 2017.* Nuclear Barrage? There is a difference between North Korea and what Russia and the US can do. Could North korea hit the US now? Highly unlikely... if we took preemptive action and Seoul got destroyed? Should Japan and Korea bare the brunt for a war that the US would barely feel? We work hard not to be imperialists, that thought that hey because Japan and Korea is 8000 miles away and their death are okay is imperialistic in thought. Cocky cause of the ocean between us.
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Posted by AlM* on Tue Aug 15 16:42:36 2017, in response to Re: North Korea Backs Off Guam Missile-Attack Threat, posted by SLRT on Tue Aug 15 16:23:43 2017.* And I think you've indicated that you would have preferred the hundreds of thousands of western (and probably Japanese as well) deaths in WWII rather than end the war with the Atomic Bomb in 1945. Hmm. I think you have a reading comprehension problem. I never said anything of the sort. I just explained some of the thinking (as well as I can, given that I don't share it) behind the opposition to the dropping of the atomic bombs on Japan. And I don't prefer a nuclear barrage of the US over an artillery barrage over Seoul. If those were the most likely choices the South Koreans would have my sympathy but not my support.
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Posted by Dan* on Tue Aug 15 18:24:45 2017, in response to Re: North Korea Backs Off Guam Missile-Attack Threat, posted by SLRT on Tue Aug 15 11:15:36 2017.* The mere launch of a missile from the DPRK towards the US or a US territory would be considered an act of war. Which means a massive retaliatory strike from the US. Adios DPRK! BTW, I don't trust China with regards to the DPRK. Sec. Mattis: If North Korea fires at the US, it's 'game on'
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Tue Aug 15 20:23:57 2017, in response to Re: North Korea Backs Off Guam Missile-Attack Threat, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Aug 15 16:05:36 2017.* You don't have to be insane to be evil.
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Posted by rkba* on Tue Aug 15 20:34:40 2017, in response to Re: North Korea Backs Off Guam Missile-Attack Threat, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Aug 15 20:23:57 2017.* leftists are proof of this.
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