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Posted by AlM on Mon Jun 5 12:59:28 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by SLRT on Mon Jun 5 12:46:25 2017. France has wanted to rebuild its empire in Europe.You mean the west bank of the Rhine, like Aachen, Saar, and Cologne? Vive la Cologne libre? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 5 13:02:32 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by AlM on Mon Jun 5 12:59:28 2017.  Je suis Napoleon! |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Jun 5 13:03:31 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by Chicagomotorman on Mon Jun 5 12:19:02 2017. what ? |
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Posted by SLRT on Mon Jun 5 13:05:02 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet? Edited stat, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 5 12:47:21 2017. And I remember when I was in Germany in 1983 there was no end of bitching and moaning about NATO (which my wife, who had lived in Germany earlier assured me was the common attitude). "Oh, those NATO planes flying overhead! We hate them." And a Belgian dude on a train going through that country asked "Why do we need such a U.S. presence. We are not so afraid of Russia as you seem to be.*"Now that they are "so afraid of Russia" the U.S. refusing to guarantee that we are at their beck and call is betrayal. *At the time, European countries were looking forward to getting natural gas from the Soviet Union. The U.S. didn't think that was such a hot idea, but Europeans didn't care. Are they not sovereign? |
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Posted by SLRT on Mon Jun 5 13:06:50 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by AlM on Mon Jun 5 12:59:28 2017. They haven't because they are unable. And still they dream. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 5 13:08:09 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet? Edited stat, posted by SLRT on Mon Jun 5 13:05:02 2017. None of them openly asked for confirmation of Article V.And what you are reporting from 1983 certainly verifies that there was no de-Nazification in the Bundesrepublik (West). As for not having fear of the USSR, why was nobody traveling eastward across the Iron Curtain, while so many were trying to travel westward?? |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Jun 5 13:11:35 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by SLRT on Mon Jun 5 13:06:50 2017. Do they ever make their dreams known to others? I haven't heard about any of this. |
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Posted by SLRT on Mon Jun 5 13:15:29 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet? Edited stat, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 5 13:08:09 2017. When my wife was a student, it was obligatory for her to visit West Berlin so she could see the "Miracle." As an American, she could move freely through every sector, including the Soviet one.Said it was one of the scariest things she'd seen. There are reasons a lot of the Left doesn't seem to understand the relief an American abroad can feel when they the American Flag flying over a building. |
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Posted by SLRT on Mon Jun 5 13:16:43 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by AlM on Mon Jun 5 13:11:35 2017. Are you French? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 5 13:25:40 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet? Edited stat, posted by SLRT on Mon Jun 5 13:15:29 2017. How was it scary? |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Jun 5 13:29:33 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by SLRT on Mon Jun 5 13:16:43 2017. No, though I do have two separate strains of Huguenots in my ancestry, as well as Catholic ancestors from the bishopric of Trier (or perhaps I should be saying Treves).And according to Spider-Pig's map I am almost entirely of French ancestry. :) |
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Posted by SLRT on Mon Jun 5 13:33:13 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet? Edited stat, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 5 13:25:40 2017. The atmosphere, and reconstruction wasn't what it was in the west, two decades after the war. It looked impoverished and she felt watched. Tourism and being comfortable with tourists was, understandably, not an East German thing in those days. All compared with West Berlin, of course, which had its own peculiarities. She spoke German well enough to purchase a Soviet-made camera (is people's camera, everyone) as a souvenir. It cost very little, which was fortunate, since she said it never worked.If she had returned to East Berlin to try to have it fixed under warranty, I probably would never have known her... |
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Posted by SLRT on Mon Jun 5 13:35:11 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by AlM on Mon Jun 5 13:29:33 2017. Quelle? Alors, pourquoi écris-tu anglais, traître! |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 5 14:17:54 2017, in response to Are we winning yet?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jun 5 05:29:46 2017. when I saw the subject line I thought of winning as in winning a thread. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 5 14:53:45 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by AlM on Mon Jun 5 13:29:33 2017. how come you did not thread about Trump letting Comey testify? |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Mon Jun 5 14:56:03 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet? Edited stat, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 5 12:47:21 2017. And your point is? The premise is the numbers and prior to Trump the US was willing to do it. But hey let Europe take over NATO, and then lets slash the Military budget accordingly. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Jun 5 15:01:27 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 5 14:53:45 2017. Why would I?I don't expect Comey to have John Dean-level information on Trump. |
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Posted by SLRT on Mon Jun 5 15:04:57 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet? Edited stat, posted by ClearAspect on Mon Jun 5 14:56:03 2017. If Europe creates a European Army, we have to be prepared to defend against them. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Jun 5 15:07:31 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet? Edited stat, posted by SLRT on Mon Jun 5 15:04:57 2017. Are we prepared to defend against the British Commonwealth Army? You never know when a million Australian soldiers might not sneak into British Columbia and try to help Canada reclaim the whole of Oregon. |
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Posted by SLRT on Mon Jun 5 15:22:14 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet? Edited stat, posted by AlM on Mon Jun 5 15:07:31 2017. You and your silly fantasies.You don't think a German-led European Army can be a danger to anybody? |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Jun 5 15:28:35 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet? Edited stat, posted by SLRT on Mon Jun 5 15:22:14 2017. I think a German-led European army is a fantasy. |
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Posted by SLRT on Mon Jun 5 16:00:25 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet? Edited stat, posted by AlM on Mon Jun 5 15:28:35 2017. Do you think any consolidated European army is a fantasy, or just that one could be German-led? |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Jun 5 16:14:26 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jun 5 11:23:48 2017. Lulz at all the RWers that don't comprehend that alternative energy is the growth economy sector going forward. You let that asshole hand your future away to the Chinse and Europeans. Enjoy your McCareer! |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Jun 5 16:47:12 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by bingbong on Mon Jun 5 16:14:26 2017. Klutz. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Jun 5 16:47:37 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Jun 5 13:03:31 2017. figures |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Mon Jun 5 17:29:02 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet? Edited stat, posted by SLRT on Mon Jun 5 15:22:14 2017. I think you need to layoff the paranoia. Leave that for the inbreds in the south |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 5 17:47:59 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet? Edited stat, posted by SLRT on Mon Jun 5 15:22:14 2017. Led by Angela Cankle!! |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Jun 5 18:00:43 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Jun 5 16:47:37 2017. figures whatlol |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jun 5 18:05:45 2017, in response to Are we winning yet?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jun 5 05:29:46 2017. WINNING!!! |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jun 5 18:08:28 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet? Edited stat, posted by SLRT on Mon Jun 5 16:00:25 2017. Never gonna happen! Europe is too far gone. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 5 18:39:22 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet? Edited stat, posted by SLRT on Mon Jun 5 16:00:25 2017. The plans have been in place for decades, literally. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 5 18:40:35 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet? Edited stat, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jun 5 18:08:28 2017. You don't understand the EU, then. If Obama's administrators bragged about ruling by crisis, the EU is far more advanced in this vein. These crises are designed to increase the demand for a strongman leader. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 5 18:41:10 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet? Edited stat, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 5 17:47:59 2017. Not likely. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 5 18:44:25 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jun 5 18:05:45 2017. |
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Posted by Mtk52983 on Mon Jun 5 19:28:48 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by bingbong on Mon Jun 5 16:14:26 2017. Maybe if that is what the Paris Accord was about you'd have a point. It was all about destroying the United States financially, which Obama and Kerry were happy to do to bring about their Socialist dystopia. If alternative energy is the wave of the future, why does China and India not have to reduce their pollution, but the United States does? If this was about being at the forefront of this field, China would be insisting on caps on its pollution so it can develop new technologies to sell to everyone else in the future. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jun 5 19:40:52 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by R2ChinaTown on Mon Jun 5 08:48:10 2017. DING-DING-DING!!! |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Jun 5 21:12:51 2017, in response to Are we winning yet?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jun 5 05:29:46 2017. Yes, I'm winning. Does that disappoint you? |
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Posted by R2Chinatown on Tue Jun 6 00:17:08 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by bingbong on Mon Jun 5 16:14:26 2017. Who's Mac career are you talking about? Certainly not yours since you'd eat more than you earn. I'd say that I have you figured for a Walmart Greeter sort of gal. |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Jun 6 08:40:11 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by Mtk52983 on Mon Jun 5 19:28:48 2017. If they wanted to destroy the US financially they could do it a lot more quickly and effectively than that.Opposition to the treaty more likely centered around propping up the flagging coal industry, which conservatives are queer for. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 6 09:57:39 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by Mtk52983 on Mon Jun 5 19:28:48 2017. Are you serious or are you pretending to be a conservative nut? |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Jun 6 10:10:06 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by Mtk52983 on Mon Jun 5 19:28:48 2017. In short, the Paris Accord was and is nothing more than an obvious obama INCOME REDISTRIBUTION scam. The stated environmental goals are so weak as to be laughable but the financial obligations for this country would have some serious consequences over the life of the pact. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Jun 6 10:19:55 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 6 09:57:39 2017. My thought too. He doesn't usually drink Kool Aid. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Jun 6 11:48:01 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by Fred G on Tue Jun 6 08:40:11 2017. Well, there is a saying I heard from someone else: if I owe you $10000, you own me. If I owe you a million dollars, I own you. :-) |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Tue Jun 6 11:59:38 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 6 09:57:39 2017. I am very serious. Environmentally this does little to achieve its stated goals because China and India and other countries do not have to reduce their pollution. In the meantime it shifts all of the cost to the United States. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 6 12:01:16 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by 3-9 on Tue Jun 6 11:48:01 2017. Doesn't work that way in real life, though. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Jun 6 12:16:16 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by R2Chinatown on Tue Jun 6 00:17:08 2017. Yours.Trump handed off the high paying jobs in alternate energy to China and Europe with his stupid, defined move to drop the Paris accord. I don't shop at mallwart, much less need to work there. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Jun 6 12:20:00 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by Fred G on Tue Jun 6 08:40:11 2017. Can't figure why. There's simply no market for it anymore. One would think these capitalists would comprehend market forces. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 6 12:42:04 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Jun 6 10:10:06 2017. You've actually read the Paris Accord itself? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 6 12:46:29 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Jun 6 11:59:38 2017. The whole agreement is voluntary. The United States' emission reductions are also voluntary. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Tue Jun 6 12:50:35 2017, in response to Re: Are we winning yet?, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 6 12:46:29 2017. If it is as voluntary as you say, why the big stink that we are opting out of something that we didn't have to do anyway? |
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